Robornio 125 Posted November 26, 2009 It''s quite a sad to see not a single stadium in the East of England selected for the 2018 World Cup bid. I know it has been mentioned, the minimum size of stadium allowance, the cost to modify stands, the sustainability of building post-World Cup etc. But surely the amount of revenue brought in to the area from such an occasion (Football World Cup being the biggest economy boosting sports event in the world, even more than the Olympics) would work out beneficial to all industries local. Take Bristol for example; it''s not the football club that takes the burden of the bill, but the regional council have pledged their full support and finance behind the project so that they are included and can benefit from the extra tourism and increased media coverage (i.e. the more well known the area, the more likely people to visit in the future or be attracted to living there). Besides, they are building a new stadium from scratch, whereas Carrow Road would only require the Jarold and Arthur Watling Stands to be upgraded. Haven''t Norfolk CC seriously considered following suit?? It''s not as if we wouldn''t fill a larger stadium either, with ability to probably fill 35,000+, and then considering events, concerts (like the Emirates).I''ve also noticed that we seem to be gradually cut off the map; take the BBC report for example: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/8379471.stmI never realised we had a square coast-line in Norfolk. And why are all our prospective stadiums (excluding Plymouth, Hull & Bristol) right down the middle of the country? I seriously can''t see us winning a bid when one of the requiring plus-factors is geographical coverage of a host country. I think it''s a shame it wasn''t even considered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blahblahblah 2 Posted November 26, 2009 The bid itself is unlikely to succeed, but yes, it''s an opportunity missed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nu_matik 184 Posted November 26, 2009 I really ahte to say this but... if they were to consdier something on the eastern side of england..perhapos the scum stadium would get a look in because of its capacity? grrr. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeagle 0 Posted November 26, 2009 I think transport routes may also be a problem, Norfolk is a pain in the backside to get to and the roads would be rammed. Think about thousands of extra people trying to travel through Elevden on the A11! Its a nightmare as it is!From a stadium point of view, I think you are right, we could expand and like you say continue to use the facilities in the future. The council could have had a greater influence but they may not see a one off event as a big deal, whereas with some of the other long term projects they may think the focus should lie elsewhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
In Dubious Battle 0 Posted November 26, 2009 I for one am glad we have not bid to be part of the world cup, can you imagine all those outsiders coming to Norfolk? This is a local county, for local people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Inch High aka Inchy.. 417 Posted November 26, 2009 [quote user="eagle"]I think transport routes may also be a problem, Norfolk is a pain in the backside to get to and the roads would be rammed. Think about thousands of extra people trying to travel through Elevden on the A11! Its a nightmare as it is!From a stadium point of view, I think you are right, we could expand and like you say continue to use the facilities in the future. The council could have had a greater influence but they may not see a one off event as a big deal, whereas with some of the other long term projects they may think the focus should lie elsewhere.[/quote]The world cup games are 2018 the dualling from Thetford to Barton Mills is due to be finished in 2012 so that would not be an issue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeagle 0 Posted November 26, 2009 [quote user="IncH_HigH"][quote user="eagle"]I think transport routes may also be a problem, Norfolk is a pain in the backside to get to and the roads would be rammed. Think about thousands of extra people trying to travel through Elevden on the A11! Its a nightmare as it is!From a stadium point of view, I think you are right, we could expand and like you say continue to use the facilities in the future. The council could have had a greater influence but they may not see a one off event as a big deal, whereas with some of the other long term projects they may think the focus should lie elsewhere.[/quote]The world cup games are 2018 the dualling from Thetford to Barton Mills is due to be finished in 2012 so that would not be an issue.[/quote]Cool, sorry I didn''t relaise that. It''s a pain in the arse every time I go to London for work! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joanna Grey 0 Posted November 26, 2009 Notice that in that report most stadiums are "yet to be built" or "redeveloped" - some of the newer stadiums just need an extra tier or two adding to existing stands. At the end of the day I think a decision to bid is based on the willingness and support of the local council involved as well as the football club/s themselves. Seems we just could not be bothered. BTW, The scum could not bid as they are not a city. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkchance1 0 Posted November 26, 2009 Don''t you need 40,000 for a World Cup stadium?, I can''t believe some of the small time clubs bidding for these stadiums- they can''t even fill their poxy grounds now let alone 40,000 seats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pete_norw 0 Posted November 26, 2009 [quote user="Mustachio Furioso"]Notice that in that report most stadiums are "yet to be built" or "redeveloped" - some of the newer stadiums just need an extra tier or two adding to existing stands. At the end of the day I think a decision to bid is based on the willingness and support of the local council involved as well as the football club/s themselves. Seems we just could not be bothered. BTW, The scum could not bid as they are not a city.[/quote]Or the likes of M K as seen on Anglia news the other night, but I think if we were to extend our ground I would rather it be our own and not the Council''s help, think what that would mean to the club being back in the grips of local council Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joanna Grey 0 Posted November 26, 2009 [quote user="norfolkchance1"]Don''t you need 40,000 for a World Cup stadium?, I can''t believe some of the small time clubs bidding for these stadiums- they can''t even fill their poxy grounds now let alone 40,000 seats.[/quote]http://lmgtfy.com/?q=minimum+requirements+for+a+world+cup+football+stadiumAlso, the OP was kind enough to link to a BBC report regarding those "poxy clubs", it will answer your question if you read it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlyBlyBabes 0 Posted November 26, 2009 It''s just another product of the same type of small thinking over recent years that has dumped us back in the Third Division for the first time since 1959-60.OTBC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robornio 125 Posted November 27, 2009 ".....when we do get back to the Premier League, we will need a stadium capacity of between 35 and 40,000." (David McNally)Well, there''s the proof of sustainability. And considering 2018 is nearly 8 years off, if our ''3-year plan'' is to succeed, we surely could have been included as one of the prospective host cities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Noseybonk 0 Posted November 27, 2009 I was under the impression that a motorway connection is essential to any application. Dualing the A11 wouldn''t be enough.That''s why we didn''t even bother.Can anyone confirm this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaun Tilly Lace 0 Posted November 27, 2009 Left off the UK map? Isn''t that the Irish Sea? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
delboycanary 0 Posted November 27, 2009 I think the government are looking long term and think that east anglia will be underwater because of Global Warming. I heard a Rumour that they are gonna build a new stadium in Gloucestershire . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tangible Fixed Assets anyone? 0 Posted November 27, 2009 [quote user="eagle"]I think transport routes may also be a problem, Norfolk is a pain in the backside to get to and the roads would be rammed. Think about thousands of extra people trying to travel through Elevden on the A11! Its a nightmare as it is![/quote]The public enquiry re the dualling of the last single carriageway (in each direction) of the A11 between Thetford and the Five Ways roundabout near Mildenhall / Lakenheath is happening right now. If all goes well the construction work will start late 2010 so long as the new government doesn''t interfere! Lets hope the Department for Transport and the construction company sign the contract before the next election. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
still holding out for new heroes 0 Posted November 27, 2009 Why would anyone want to spunk several million quid for the sake of one game probably along the lines of Bulgaria v New Zealand Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary_on_the Trent 0 Posted November 27, 2009 Unfortunately, Norfolk is isolated and it takes a good couple of hours before you actually hit a decent road and the rest of the country Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
William Darby 0 Posted November 28, 2009 [quote user="Canary_on_the Trent"]Unfortunately, Norfolk is isolated and it takes a good couple of hours before you actually hit a decent road and the rest of the country[/quote]That''s true, some villages still have gas lights and K1 red telephone boxes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joanna Grey 0 Posted November 28, 2009 [quote user="Canary_on_the Trent"]Unfortunately, Norfolk is isolated and it takes a good couple of hours before you actually hit a decent road and the rest of the country[/quote]Not true, the A11 is a decent road compared to a lot of dual carriageways. The only part that lets it down is the crappy part in suffolk. The A47 on the other hand is nearly all bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tom cavendish 0 Posted November 28, 2009 [quote user="Robornio"]It''s quite a sad to see not a single stadium in the East of England selected for the 2018 World Cup bid. I know it has been mentioned, the minimum size of stadium allowance, the cost to modify stands, the sustainability of building post-World Cup etc. But surely the amount of revenue brought in to the area from such an occasion (Football World Cup being the biggest economy boosting sports event in the world, even more than the Olympics) would work out beneficial to all industries local. Take Bristol for example; it''s not the football club that takes the burden of the bill, but the regional council have pledged their full support and finance behind the project so that they are included and can benefit from the extra tourism and increased media coverage (i.e. the more well known the area, the more likely people to visit in the future or be attracted to living there). Besides, they are building a new stadium from scratch, whereas Carrow Road would only require the Jarold and Arthur Watling Stands to be upgraded. Haven''t Norfolk CC seriously considered following suit?? It''s not as if we wouldn''t fill a larger stadium either, with ability to probably fill 35,000+, and then considering events, concerts (like the Emirates).I''ve also noticed that we seem to be gradually cut off the map; take the BBC report for example: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/8379471.stmI never realised we had a square coast-line in Norfolk. And why are all our prospective stadiums (excluding Plymouth, Hull & Bristol) right down the middle of the country? I seriously can''t see us winning a bid when one of the requiring plus-factors is geographical coverage of a host country. I think it''s a shame it wasn''t even considered.[/quote]Bristol City are paying for their new 30k stadium but their council is paying for the extra seating to make it 40k+ if they are selected as a World Cup venue.It would have been a good opportunity to get CR increased to 40k at no extra expense to the club. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
O.T.B.C 0 Posted November 28, 2009 They are trying to say now that Hull will be representing the East. Mind you, look at Anglia and BBC local news and they have MK as East Anglia, so in their eyes, we are represented. I would have thought that Ipswich would have gone for it, they have an unhealthy relationship with the sweet FA and they would only need to get another 10000 and they would be there.But like someone said, none of the stadia in East Anglia would get a decent game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary_on_the Trent 0 Posted November 28, 2009 [quote user="Mustachio Furioso"][quote user="Canary_on_the Trent"]Unfortunately, Norfolk is isolated and it takes a good couple of hours before you actually hit a decent road and the rest of the country[/quote]Not true, the A11 is a decent road compared to a lot of dual carriageways. The only part that lets it down is the crappy part in suffolk. The A47 on the other hand is nearly all bad.[/quote]Doesn''t alter the fact Norwich is 2 hours away from anwhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joanna Grey 0 Posted November 28, 2009 [quote user="Canary_on_the Trent"][quote user="Mustachio Furioso"][quote user="Canary_on_the Trent"]Unfortunately, Norfolk is isolated and it takes a good couple of hours before you actually hit a decent road and the rest of the country[/quote]Not true, the A11 is a decent road compared to a lot of dual carriageways. The only part that lets it down is the crappy part in suffolk. The A47 on the other hand is nearly all bad.[/quote]Doesn''t alter the fact Norwich is 2 hours away from anwhere.[/quote]According to the AA. Hopefully once the A11 is completely dualled perhaps the powers that be could concentrate on the A47, a proper dual carriageway from Norwich to Peterborough would be a godsend to a lot of people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Saturday Boy 0 Posted November 28, 2009 It was up to the city council and football club to put a bid in, it''s not the case of the FA or the bid team ignoring us. Personally i wouldn''t want the legay of a half full 40000 capacity stadium either. It''s hard enough to get an atmosphere going at a packed carrow road as it is! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlyBlyBabes 0 Posted November 28, 2009 [quote user="tom cavendish"][quote user="Robornio"] It''s quite a sad to see not a single stadium in the East of England selected for the 2018 World Cup bid. I know it has been mentioned, the minimum size of stadium allowance, the cost to modify stands, the sustainability of building post-World Cup etc. But surely the amount of revenue brought in to the area from such an occasion (Football World Cup being the biggest economy boosting sports event in the world, even more than the Olympics) would work out beneficial to all industries local. Take Bristol for example; it''s not the football club that takes the burden of the bill, but the regional council have pledged their full support and finance behind the project so that they are included and can benefit from the extra tourism and increased media coverage (i.e. the more well known the area, the more likely people to visit in the future or be attracted to living there). Besides, they are building a new stadium from scratch, whereas Carrow Road would only require the Jarold and Arthur Watling Stands to be upgraded. Haven''t Norfolk CC seriously considered following suit?? It''s not as if we wouldn''t fill a larger stadium either, with ability to probably fill 35,000+, and then considering events, concerts (like the Emirates).I''ve also noticed that we seem to be gradually cut off the map; take the BBC report for example: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/8379471.stmI never realised we had a square coast-line in Norfolk. And why are all our prospective stadiums (excluding Plymouth, Hull & Bristol) right down the middle of the country? I seriously can''t see us winning a bid when one of the requiring plus-factors is geographical coverage of a host country. I think it''s a shame it wasn''t even considered.[/quote]Bristol City are paying for their new 30k stadium but their council is paying for the extra seating to make it 40k+ if they are selected as a World Cup venue.It would have been a good opportunity to get CR increased to 40k at no extra expense to the club.[/quote]Exactly so.I bet that Robert Chase would have gone for it!The road infrastucture would be hardly here or there for a couple of low profile and probably poorly attended matches. And in any event having a world cup stadium would be far more likely to catalyze significant road improvements than not having one.The club and county council would have had all to gain and little to lose by going for it. Investment follows infrastucture.But small-thinking and prudence rather than ambition rule the day.OTBC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wembley_Canary 0 Posted November 28, 2009 Southampton are trying to mount a late bid to get their City into the 2018 WC after Portsmouth have now dropped out, so there is still hope for us.... mind you I just don''t think Norwich Council has the ambition and drive to construct such a bid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlyBlyBabes 0 Posted November 28, 2009 [quote user="Wembley_Canary"]Southampton are trying to mount a late bid to get their City into the 2018 WC after Portsmouth have now dropped out, so there is still hope for us.... mind you I just don''t think Norwich Council has the ambition and drive to construct such a bid.[/quote]Nor the current owners of NCFC.[:''(]OTBC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites