Delia Smith, you are an utter disgrace!

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[quote user="ron obvious"]I''ve told you a thousand times not to exaggerate.

And maybe not ........


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You really are a tit. No ambiguity about that statement.

 

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I have to say Smudger has spoken a great deal of sense on this thread.

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[quote user="Downloads"]

[quote user="ron obvious"]I''ve told you a thousand times not to exaggerate.And maybe not ........

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You really are a tit. No ambiguity about that statement.

 

[/quote]And you, sunshine, are a micturating onanist.Happy?

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[quote user="ron obvious"][quote user="Downloads"]

[quote user="ron obvious"]I''ve told you a thousand times not to exaggerate.

And maybe not ........


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You really are a tit. No ambiguity about that statement.

 

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And you, sunshine, are a micturating onanist.

Happy?


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What''s happy?....Being a micturating onanist?

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[quote user="Barclayman"]what an absolute joke you are Smudger, i cant take anything you say seriously, things pick up a bit with NCFC and your absent, we lose one game and bang your back with a Delia''s a disgrace thread.

Its laughable. When were beating Hartlepool and Wycombe and Lamberts unbeaten run is continuiung theres no Delia''s a disgrace, but the second we lose you post this tripe. So when we win its nothing to do with Delia but when we lose its all her fault?

Dont get me wrong i want Delia out of the club but your posts are pathetic.
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I was trying to remain positive that bringing Lambert in may encourage our tight fisted board to realise that they were in the last chance saloon and actually go for it.

We have a quality manager here now in my opinion who is risking his reputation to work for employees who are not worthy of his talents.

Unless Delia releases the purse strings then would you be surprised if both Lambert and McNally walked?  Because I would not be surprised in the slightest... why should they continue to put their reputations on the line for such a dreadful employer?

If you want Delia out then isn''t it high time you did something about it, instead of sitting back and watching her drive us in to administration???

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"Furthermore I dont think its a question of whether the fans should be expected to pay more rather than the owners as the fans pay enough already.  Can you imagine a Cinema operator saying to its customers, psst we''ve had a bad year or two can you please pay us more?"

I''m intrigued to know who this commercial cinema operator is who takes no remuneration and no dividends and subisidies the customer''s entertaintainment with substantial amounts of money each year? I was not aware commercial cinemas were also dependant on benefactors and that their customers expected the owners to subsidise their entertainment.

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[quote user="T"]

"Furthermore I dont think its a question of whether the fans should be expected to pay more rather than the owners as the fans pay enough already.  Can you imagine a Cinema operator saying to its customers, psst we''ve had a bad year or two can you please pay us more?"

I''m intrigued to know who this commercial cinema operator is who takes no remuneration and no dividends and subisidies the customer''s entertaintainment with substantial amounts of money each year? I was not aware commercial cinemas were also dependant on benefactors and that their customers expected the owners to subsidise their entertainment.

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I have never asked the owners of NCFC to subsidise my "entertainment" . Its up to the owners of football clubs to get their cost base (including the overheads) under control and covered by the revenues of each business. Don''t blame the fans. Its time for football club boards to show leadership on this issue.

BTW. NCFC Plc have had the money but not spent it wisely.

 

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Oops I meant to say:

I have never asked the owners of NCFC to subsidise the recurring cost base relating to my "entertainment".

 

 

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[quote user="T"]

I''m intrigued to know who this commercial cinema operator is who takes no remuneration and no dividends? [/quote]

Doncaster and Munby received remuneration and NCFC. pays a return on its B preference shares.

BTW. not all public companies pay a dividend on its ordinary shares.

 

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[quote user="Tangible Fixed Assets anyone"][quote user="T"]

I''m intrigued to know who this commercial cinema operator is who takes no remuneration and no dividends? [/quote]

Doncaster and Munby received remuneration and NCFC. pays a return on its B preference shares.

BTW. not all public companies pay a dividend on its ordinary shares.

 

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What Picture House was this then[~][:^)]

Did they specialise in disaster movie[li]

[;)]

 

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[quote user="ron obvious"][quote user="Downloads"]

[quote user="ron obvious"]I''ve told you a thousand times not to exaggerate.

And maybe not ........


[/quote]

You really are a tit. No ambiguity about that statement.

 

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And you, sunshine, are a micturating onanist.

Happy?


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Oh poor baby, you didn''t like the smart remark back at ya?

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[quote user="Tangible Fixed Assets anyone"][quote user="T"]

I''m intrigued to know who this commercial cinema operator is who takes no remuneration and no dividends? [/quote]

Doncaster and Munby received remuneration and NCFC. pays a return on its B preference shares.

BTW. not all public companies pay a dividend on its ordinary shares.

 

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Was not aware that Munby and Doncaster were significant shareholders in the or that the owners are getting a divi

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Although I feel Smudger at times was one of the most depressing nit picking posters on here, especially around the time of our relegation, i think hes returned and is directly on the money.

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[quote user="Tangible Fixed Assets anyone"][quote user="T"]

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"I think that more capital should be injected into the business"

 

"I have never asked the owners of NCFC to subsidise my "entertainment" . [/quote]

.....you just did.

 

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[quote user="T"][quote user="Tangible Fixed Assets anyone"][quote user="T"]

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"I think that more capital should be injected into the business"

 

"I have never asked the owners of NCFC to subsidise my "entertainment" . [/quote]

.....you just did.

 

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What I actually said was that the recurring cost base shouldn''t be subsidised. Thats different from one off costs such as transfer fees.

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 BTW., dont forget this club has had money, its just been wasted.

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I agree, Smith has wasted far too much of our cash over the years, putting the majority of player sales into off the field activities whilst the team suffered with cheap lower quality replacements. Now we''re at our lowest ebb in 50 years she needs to realise it''s make or break, if she takes a gamble and provides Lambert with the funds to bring in a couple permanent signings and a couple loans then we''ve a good chance of an immediate return to the Championship.

If she can''t fund Lambert to build a side he feels will get us promoted then she needs to put the club for sale and actively seek to sell it for the good of NCFC and everyone accosiated with it.

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I agree, Smith has wasted far too much of our cash over the years, putting the majority of player sales into off the field activities whilst the team suffered with cheap lower quality replacements. Now we''re at our lowest ebb in 50 years she needs to realise it''s make or break, if she takes a gamble and provides Lambert with the funds to bring in a couple permanent signings and a couple loans then we''ve a good chance of an immediate return to the Championship.

If she can''t fund Lambert to build a side he feels will get us promoted then she needs to put the club for sale and actively seek to sell it for the good of NCFC and everyone accosiated with it.

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This was all foretold when she arrived by some of the board members of the time... and low and behold!!

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[quote user="Lambo"]

I agree, Smith has wasted far too much of our cash over the years, putting the majority of player sales into off the field activities whilst the team suffered with cheap lower quality replacements. Now we''re at our lowest ebb in 50 years she needs to realise it''s make or break, if she takes a gamble and provides Lambert with the funds to bring in a couple permanent signings and a couple loans then we''ve a good chance of an immediate return to the Championship.

If she can''t fund Lambert to build a side he feels will get us promoted then she needs to put the club for sale and actively seek to sell it for the good of NCFC and everyone accosiated with it.

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spot on.

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[quote user="Lambo"]

 if she takes a gamble and provides Lambert with the funds to bring in a couple permanent signings and a couple loans then we''ve a good chance of an immediate return to the Championship.

[/quote]And therein lies the rub.

Unlike the Premiership there is no large payout awaiting us on promotion, the tv money goes up a couple of million and a few other bits and pieces contribute to maybe a 3 or 4 million pounds increase in turnover but the problem is that upon promotion it is highly likely that those players good enough to be retained will be contracted to be earning more and the squad replacements which one would hopefully be of a quality sufficient for that league will also require sourced and then paid so it''s safe to assume the extra money will dare I say it ''already have been accounted for''.We''ve already proven over a number of years that no matter how many attendees this club has we just cannot afford to compete in the Championship and IMO relegation was budgeted for to the extent it ultimately became the only viable method by which the maj shareholders could retain control. Am I alone in thinking that much though we the fans might want it, the one thing our owners probably cannot afford is a promotion to a higher league? The only variable in our clubs accounts seems to be ''playing budget'' I suggest that if we are struggling to afford a budget of maybe £3-4m in this league that a CCC league budget of double that is well out of our reach.Sadly I believe the maj shareholders feel that they can''t afford us to get promoted and also know that if we don''t get promoted then we face some very serious problems with banking covenants and the securitised ticket and other income streams in the next year or so.There is very little incentive for Delia to plough money into a club in search of a ''success'' she just cannot possibly afford to maintain, if and as we all know it''s a very big if, if such a gamble did indeed work out.

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Then she needs to leave if thats the case. Simples. If she can''t afford to run a footballclub thats successful then she should put the club for sale and actively seek to sell it. I know it''s not as cut and dry as that but at the very least she should do her best to find someone to buy the club wether it takes a season or so or possibly longer.

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[quote user="B-ru"][quote user="Lambo"]

I agree, Smith has wasted far too much of our cash over the years, putting the majority of player sales into off the field activities whilst the team suffered with cheap lower quality replacements. Now we''re at our lowest ebb in 50 years she needs to realise it''s make or break, if she takes a gamble and provides Lambert with the funds to bring in a couple permanent signings and a couple loans then we''ve a good chance of an immediate return to the Championship.

If she can''t fund Lambert to build a side he feels will get us promoted then she needs to put the club for sale and actively seek to sell it for the good of NCFC and everyone accosiated with it.

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This was all foretold when she arrived by some of the board members of the time... and low and behold!!

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Further and better particulars on this would be most interesting.

Could you provide them, please?

OTBC

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[quote user="Lambo"]

I agree, Smith has wasted far too much of our cash over the years, putting the majority of player sales into off the field activities whilst the team suffered with cheap lower quality replacements. Now we''re at our lowest ebb in 50 years she needs to realise it''s make or break, if she takes a gamble and provides Lambert with the funds to bring in a couple permanent signings and a couple loans then we''ve a good chance of an immediate return to the Championship.

If she can''t fund Lambert to build a side he feels will get us promoted then she needs to put the club for sale and actively seek to sell it for the good of NCFC and everyone accosiated with it.

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Ah! But the trick is you see it''s her cash not our cash - and therein lies a vital difference

We can all waste our own money if that''s what we want, but there are usually restrictions on wasting other people''s money (Hmmm...now how did that recession come about again...........deary me!).

OTBC

 

 

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[quote user="Buckethead"][quote user="Lambo"]

 if she takes a gamble and provides Lambert with the funds to bring in a couple permanent signings and a couple loans then we''ve a good chance of an immediate return to the Championship.

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And therein lies the rub.


Unlike the Premiership there is no large payout awaiting us on promotion, the tv money goes up a couple of million and a few other bits and pieces contribute to maybe a 3 or 4 million pounds increase in turnover but the problem is that upon promotion it is highly likely that those players good enough to be retained will be contracted to be earning more and the squad replacements which one would hopefully be of a quality sufficient for that league will also require sourced and then paid so it''s safe to assume the extra money will dare I say it ''already have been accounted for''.
We''ve already proven over a number of years that no matter how many attendees this club has we just cannot afford to compete in the Championship and IMO relegation was budgeted for to the extent it ultimately became the only viable method by which the maj shareholders could retain control. Am I alone in thinking that much though we the fans might want it, the one thing our owners probably cannot afford is a promotion to a higher league? The only variable in our clubs accounts seems to be ''playing budget'' I suggest that if we are struggling to afford a budget of maybe £3-4m in this league that a CCC league budget of double that is well out of our reach.
Sadly I believe the maj shareholders feel that they can''t afford us to get promoted and also know that if we don''t get promoted then we face some very serious problems with banking covenants and the securitised ticket and other income streams in the next year or so.
There is very little incentive for Delia to plough money into a club in search of a ''success'' she just cannot possibly afford to maintain, if and as we all know it''s a very big if, if such a gamble did indeed work out.
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What a load of absolute rubbish... poor old Delia... if she can''t stand the heat then she should of got out of the kitchen a long, long time ago.

Instead she has chosen to put a painful stranglehold on a club and it''s supporters that she claims to love purely out of self interest.

There is no excuse whatsoever for not having a club of our size (with the crowds that we get and merchandise sales that we have, not to mention the income raised by selling players and parachute payments in recent years) challenging for promotion in this awful league.

Delia Smith fails to accept that she is not big enough to be majority shareholder of a club like NCFC in this day and age and instead of stepping aside for the good of the club and everybody connected with it she would rather slowly strangle it to death.

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[quote user="Lambo"]Then she needs to leave if thats the case. Simples. If she can''t afford to run a footballclub thats successful then she should put the club for sale and actively seek to sell it. I know it''s not as cut and dry as that but at the very least she should do her best to find someone to buy the club wether it takes a season or so or possibly longer.[/quote]

It would take all of about a week or two to sell the club if she put her shares up for sale for £10 as promised if somebody else could take the club forwards Lambo.

She has no intention of selling and needs to be shown that she is not wanted in Norwich mate.

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[quote user="Smudger"]

Delia Smith fails to accept that she is not big enough to be majority shareholder of a club like NCFC in this day and age and instead of stepping aside for the good of the club and everybody connected with it she would rather slowly strangle it to death.

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Having told the public that her shares are worthless (after the PC proposal to invest) then why didn''t she accept the £20m that PC. was reported to be offering to the club (direct via new shares)?

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[quote user="Tangible Fixed Assets anyone"][quote user="Smudger"]

Delia Smith fails to accept that she is not big enough to be majority shareholder of a club like NCFC in this day and age and instead of stepping aside for the good of the club and everybody connected with it she would rather slowly strangle it to death.

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Having told the public that her shares are worthless (after the PC proposal to invest) then why didn''t she accept the £20m that PC. was reported to be offering to the club (direct via new shares)?

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So basically TFA thinks it ok for owners to subsidise transfer fees but not recurring costs. There is definately a financial logic to this argument but when you have a total budget to cover in practice transfer fees and wages then all you are doing is reclassifying costs and in practice football club owners would still subsidise the fans. UEFA and PC both say this should stop.

That spending money on off-field activities does not make sense is just an urban myth which is not supported by audited finanial information, the figures provided by TFA and commonsense. All clubs do it to increase revenue given the money from ticket sales is insuffecient.

On PC sale you have to differentiate between the underlying economic value of nearly every football club which is nothing as they don''t generate income for the shareholders and the market value because rich people like the idea of owning a football club. Therefore majority ownership of a football club does have a market value by reference to other clubs being sold. The messages from the owners indicate that they are not looking to make a profit on the amount they have put in but do want to get their money back. PC was offering nothing for their shares. I do not  believe that anyone on this message board would give half their wealth to someone worth €2bn to €3bn so the critism on this matter is "unfair and unkind" as PC who understands the situation better than anyone said himself. I don''t believe that the owners will sell at the bottom of the economic cycle for a number of reasons. 1. They will wait for the property market to recover as it inevitably will so that they can realise the value of the land. . 2. It looks like rules will be bought in to stop owners subsidising football clubs so this whole argument will become irrelevant and 3: when the mkt recovers PC will realise the 2 to 3bn value of his business and be more willing to buy the owners out especially if rules about owners not subsidising football clubs are brought in. The bottom line is the fans will have to wait until the economy recovers.

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very well said smudger .... nail on head springs to mind..

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[quote user="T"] 2. It looks like rules will be bought in to stop owners subsidising football clubs so this whole argument will become irrelevant[/quote]

If this happens it will shake the very foundations of the Premier League. In fact I''d go as far as to say it will destroy it. The only way the top players in the world will get to play in one league and retain the TV income would be if the top clubs in Europe breakaway into a "full time Champions League" where they can get enough gate receipts and TV revenue to keep the players in the comfort they have been accustomed to. This would be basically football for TV and to maximise revenue they can go play the games all over the world!

I personally can''t wait. Football fans will get their football league back with all divisions under the "same ownership". But let''s hope it doesn''t happen too soon because I''m not sure we are ready to find a new scapegoat just yet. [:O]

 

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[quote user="nutty nigel"]

[quote user="T"] 2. It looks like rules will be bought in to stop owners subsidising football clubs so this whole argument will become irrelevant[/quote]

If this happens it will shake the very foundations of the Premier League. In fact I''d go as far as to say it will destroy it. The only way the top players in the world will get to play in one league and retain the TV income would be if the top clubs in Europe breakaway into a "full time Champions League" where they can get enough gate receipts and TV revenue to keep the players in the comfort they have been accustomed to. This would be basically football for TV and to maximise revenue they can go play the games all over the world!

I personally can''t wait. Football fans will get their football league back with all divisions under the "same ownership". But let''s hope it doesn''t happen too soon because I''m not sure we are ready to find a new scapegoat just yet. [:O]

 

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It''s never going to happen Nutty and it is high time you Delia Smith and T got out of cloudcuckooland and realised it.

If one money man pulls the plug then there will be another one to step in... apart from in little old Norwich where too many people on their high horses wish to prevent this of course, even if it is to the detriment of the club that they claim to support.