City 2nd 191 Posted December 4, 2008 Having had enough ofthe current situation, I wrote to the Chairman of NCFC..........I do not expecta reply, although in the past he has returned communication......but it made mefeel better......to all you pundits on here with your cynical and tyrannical views,don’t bother to comment.....I simply share how I feel with supporters of whatwas, once, a great club.....1STDecember 2008Norwich City FC customer number ??????????DearMr MUMBY I have no doubtthat recently you have received several letters from supporters of NCFC inrespect, once again, of the now critical situation that we find ourselves inconcerning the quite abysmal stats concerning match results.WhilstI doubt that you personally look at the message boards of web sites concerningNCFC let me assure you that the mood of supporters both on match days, aftermatch days and indeed for the rest of the working week is governed by this onesubject, and hundreds of comments are left on such sites and talked about onlocal Radio and television stations in concern of our current predicament.I aman elder statesman of NCFC supporters, although there are many others who havesupported the club longer than I. But I am able to recall the years dating backto the late 50’s, watching players like Terry ALLCOCK, Tommy BRYCELAND and BillPUNTON play for this great club, men with passion and the pride to wear theyellow and green shirt.I havespent thousand of pounds during this time, not just on my passion, but also inintroducing my own children to the club, all of whom are steadfast supporters.We share the passion with the thousands of other supporters, NCFC is OUR club. I therefore feel thatI have the right, somehow, to comment on recent matters.Astarting point is the appointment by the board of the last two managers toNCFC. Peter GRANT, a man that I met personally, and I have to say a gentleman,whose passion for the club was there to see. Glen ROEDER, unapproachable,impersonal and to be honest, damn right rude, personified with the remarks thathe made to an honest NCFC supporter at the recent AGM ‘regarding thegentleman’s tenure of post of the England team’. Yes, he may have apologised,but he still said it, and I have no doubt that he meant it. Managersof NCFC cannot insult the lifeblood of this club. It has happened before, (etal Mr WORTHINGTON and unfortunately also Mr GRANT). I also wrote to youconcerning both these previous managers, and found your replies honest andconstructive. That both were soon assigned to the history books of the club didnot surprise me!Priorto the appointments of GRANT and ROEDER supporters were told the long wait andnews blackout was so the board ‘got it right’ this time.Quitesimply, they didn’t, in either case. Peter GRANT: untried and untested as amanager. Glen ROEDER: with as poor a track record as one could imagine atGillingham, Watford, West Ham and Newcastle.Probablynot quite so amazing is that the playing records of Peter GRANT and Glen ROEDERare to date very similar: In case you and the board are unaware:Peter GRANTS reign at Carrow Road saw himtake charge of somewhere near 56 games (including cup). His teams won 15, drew11 and lost 30 games. Glen ROEDER hasbeen in charge for 55 games (including cup) and his teams have won 15 games,drawn 9 and lost 26 games. Interestingly enough, his OWN squad, following the massive clearout that heundertook, have managed 5 wins, 5 draws and 10 defeats. (20 points)With the squad he inherited from GRANT he lost 16, drew 9 and won 10. (39points)And MRROEDER is arrogant enough to suggest to a Norwich City supporter that he missedthat gentleman’s tenure of the England post when a squad of players that he has put together since thecommencement of the 2008/2009 season has taken 19 less points than the majorityof the side that he inherited from GRANT.Oneneedn’t linger on this subject any longer, but it is put in this letter as I,personally, would like to know just what the current board of NCFC intend doingabout this situation. One can only hope it is positive and not left to lingeras in previous cases!Butthe current incumbent situation does not stop just here. When we look furtherat the under achievement of the current manager, perhaps no one supporter issurprised. PeterGRANT’S first game in charge saw 16 players named who were ALL contracted tothis club. He introduced youth to the first team squad such as the Jarvisbrothers, Spillane, Eagle, and Martin to name but a few, and made some astute signings. Histreatment of one or two of the squad (e.g. Safri/Mcveigh) left a lot to bedesired and there were the disasters such as Hartson!Roedertook control of Grant’s squad, and he has constructively and systematicallydismantled any chance of enhancing the stability and consistency required tobuild a successful and balanced side capable of entertaining the payingsupporters of OUR club and bringing the desired success.Gallagher,Colin, Robinson, Earnshaw, Brellier, Fleming, Strihavka, Shackell,Chadwick, Jarvis x2, Spillane and Martinto name but a few who have either been discarded or loaned out to other clubs.Andthen we have the dreadful, and I mean dreadful, treatment of Simon LAPPIN andJamie CURETON, and to top the lot, that of one of the greatest and mostentertaining players that I have had the pleasure to witness playing for OURclub, Darren HUCKERBY. Yellow and green through and through, so much so that herefuses to play for any other team so he does not have to play competitivelyagainst his beloved NCFC, a man who travels to America to continue his greatcareer, who set his teams season on fire when he arrived there, just as he didwhen he joined our club. And he now sits in the stand, watching debacle afterdebacle week after week, just like us. A gifted and exciting player; a matchwinner without doubt.Itdoes not take a layman, Mr Chairman, to see exactly what Mr ROEDER has done tothese players. He has destroyed them in simple terms.Andjust what does the NCFC supporter get in return...........eight loanplayers.......no consistency, no stability, no entertainment.......and themanager bleats in the local newspaper prior to the Sheffield Wednesday matchthat he is down a bare 16 senior professionals, when HE has just allowed Jamie CURETON to leave for (initially)three months to a club who are to be rivals for our mere existence in the CocaCola championship this season. He bleats that a player turned down the chanceto join us on loan, preferring to stay at his parent club.......I don’t believeit takes much to work out why!Aneven worse situation (kept quiet for a long period) is the situation withArchibald- Henville.....sent back to his parent club.....not deemed goodenough.....and NCFC reportedly paying his wages. Just how was this situationallowed to happen!Andfollowing the most recent match, Mr ROEDER states to the media...."I feel very angry, I''ve never been involved in a game like thatbefore where we dominated the first half and then lose," Roeder said."I don''t think they had an attack in the first half. We got a goal infront, which we deserved on possession and the game should have been over athalf time and they were not in the game at all.Perhaps you could pass on to Mr ROEDER the fact that I andmany other supporters like me are ‘feelingvery very angry’ and have been for manymany months, concerning his management, coaching and tactics of theplaying staff of NCFC. The stats do not lie, Mr Chairman.....Mr ROEDER is as poor,if not poorer, than his predecessor. And should the board of NCFC once again failto act immediately they will be culpable for the demise of OUR (the supporters)club. You, the board, Delia and Mr Wynn-Jones are mere custodians. We assupporters can only thank you and them for your assistance when times werehard. But that is history. This is the future. As supporters we are all awareof the current economic climate, we are all aware that the club ‘is for sale’ or ‘looking for investment’....andwe are all aware that in the near future this is very unlikely to happen......just who would want to invest in a club who look very likely candidates forrelegation? Perhaps more serious is the fact that 20,000+ season ticket holdersare considering their own position in the coming months regarding renewal fornext season, and they will he heavily influenced by what is currently happening(or what is not happening perhaps!) at NCFC. Lose them, and it will be many years to recovery, if it is possible atall!I for one, (and I know of many others), have already decidedthat should Mr ROEDER remain, and results and performances do not improve, Iwill not be parting with my usual £400+ pounds next season. This man has not taken us forward; in fact he has taken usbackwards. As I said before, Rome was not built in a day, but the foundationswere laid. The manager of NCFC has laid no firm foundations for the future, anddoes not look likely too.Mr GRANT did the same......need I say any more......positiveaction please.A very very annoyed and disgruntled supporter, fed up withthe excuses put forward by the manager and various players, all who continuallystate ‘they owe the fans’.Yes, they do, and so do the board ofNCFC........collectively it is your mess, you appointed......and again you didnot get it right........!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tangible Fixed Assets anyone? 0 Posted December 4, 2008 As you mentioned Peter Grant, I wonder how much it cost the club to pay off PG., Duffy etc.? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ncfcstar 292 Posted December 4, 2008 How can he honestly take you seriously if you don''t even bother to find out the correct spelling for his name. I''m sorry but if I received a letter slating my team from someone who can''t spell my name, it would be in the bin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ncfcstar 292 Posted December 4, 2008 And, I am sorry, but if you for one second think that Roeder can create a whole new team within one transfer window you are deluded. Grant (a person you seem to have some sort of admiration for) ruined our squad of players, and left us with no tangible assets, Roeder has had to start from scratch, and I fully think that it wont be truly "his" team until we either get some money or until next season. It may be too late by then, but it was the appointment of Grant as manager that has put us in this position, yes the boards fault, but he had the footballing knowledge of a peanut. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
City 2nd 191 Posted December 4, 2008 THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY NCFC STAR............there''s always one twat who has to comment with such rubbish........is that really a problem to you, you sad w--nker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ncfcstar 292 Posted December 4, 2008 Yes it is Mr Porky, shame you have to use such language, I didn''t speak that way to you now did I? I simply think if you want an honest, well thought out, reply you spell the guys name correctly.And no comment on my other post? Or are you choosing to ignore someone who is debating your letter?Also from someone who apparently started watching Norwich in the 1950s, couldn''t you use some better adjectives, I don''t appreciate being spoke to like that by people who should be setting a better example. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lappinitup 629 Posted December 4, 2008 [quote user="porkyp"]THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY NCFC STAR............there''s always one twat who has to comment with such rubbish........is that really a problem to you, you sad w--nker.[/quote]There''s only one ''a'' in w--nker (or are you spelling it with an ''h'') [8-|] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve b 0 Posted December 4, 2008 Good letter to the chairman, hope he takes notice of it, you did tell people not to comment with their cynicle views but some can''t help putting any decent thing on here down, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucky green trainers 0 Posted December 4, 2008 obviously you''re an upset long-standing NCFC stalwart porky,,,much respect for having the bottle to express how you feel to the NCFC chairman///my take is this - its fair to say roedy''s agm debut was a horrible PR disaster - and as i''ve suggested before, imo this event has galvanized some supporters into taking action - maybe cos they feel their loyalty to the club has been taking advantage of...sure roedy saved us from relegation, and in my view he deserved an appropriate level of slack to get his team going - but as porky has demonstrated, the stats don''t lie...do you feel like you''ve been taken for a mug porky???and then got your nose rubbed in it by roedy???or where are you coming from???and NCFC star - was it you who wanted to flog their ST in the city stand??? how did you get on??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ncfcstar 292 Posted December 4, 2008 Haha, a cynic now am I? You can''t post on here and expect things to go without debate. Call it decent if you like, but everyone is entitled to their different opinions, and Porky chose not to respond to my constructive criticism, picking up rather on something that was not as important to the debate.I don''t like the attitude that some people have on here, why bother posting things if you do not want a debate? Not everyone is going to agree with what is said, and that''s just life I am afraid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ncfcstar 292 Posted December 4, 2008 No it wasn''t me lucky green trainers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Smith 2,317 Posted December 4, 2008 Decent letter I would say. Interesting random use of capitalised words though. I seem to recall one resident sleuth citing that as being a major clue as to the identity of one of the chief transfer wind-up merchants earlier in the summer! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SNAP 0 Posted December 4, 2008 Small point of order if I may - Duffy and Gunn signed Hartson, not Peter Grant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WeAreYellows49 0 Posted December 4, 2008 Brilliant post Porky, it could have been any one of us disgruntled fans that wrote that, but well done you, and I know you cannot post private e-mails on here from the club but it would be interesting to hear if you got a reply. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John 0 Posted December 4, 2008 One, if not the best post i have read upon the current state of our club.Well done porkyp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bury Yellow 2 Posted December 4, 2008 Yep well done Porky. Wish I could have had the patience to compose that without ruining my keyboard!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucky green trainers 0 Posted December 4, 2008 [quote user="ncfcstar"]Haha, a cynic now am I? You can''t post on here and expect things to go without debate. Call it decent if you like, but everyone is entitled to their different opinions, and Porky chose not to respond to my constructive criticism, picking up rather on something that was not as important to the debate.I don''t like the attitude that some people have on here, why bother posting things if you do not want a debate? Not everyone is going to agree with what is said, and that''s just life I am afraid.[/quote]forgive me if i''m reading it wrong ncfcstar - but poor ole porky has just spilled his guts in a letter to the chairman, and then bared his soul on here, he''s obviously pretty peed off to say the least, and your initial reply is to suggest that because his got munby''s name wrong, all his impassioned letter deserves is the bin, regardless of its content!!! [:O]i don''t condone pork''s reply, but i can understand why he made it, and yeah - he obviously formulated his reply to your first post and not the second...[U]so - why don''t you guys kiss and make up, and then unite for sunday to face the auld enemy??! [:D] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gazzathegreat 0 Posted December 4, 2008 Well done Porky, never mind the spelling mistakes etc, at least you have done the deed and sent the letter to Mr Munby. I am sure you speak for many of us, especially those of us who have been around under other board regimes. It''s difficult for me to accept what''s happening to our club as I have known better times. I wonder, do the present board bank on hanging onto their position in the boardroom on the basis that the newer fans not only have lower levels of expectation, but are part of the "new" fan who just loves a good day out. Will you let us know when you receive a reply and summarise the content on here for us? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theoneandonlycullum 0 Posted December 4, 2008 An interesting post and I hope you get a response. Can I ask you one question though Porky? Can you tell me any names of Managers the A. Norwich could afford B. Could do any better in the transfer market with zero money to spend. C. That Norwich could attract. I for one cannot think of a manager with lots of experience that could keep Norwich in the top half of the table with 1 transfer window and zero cash. Im interested to know who you think could do this.For all the thing i dont like about roader, there could be worse i.e.Grant Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Chops 7 Posted December 4, 2008 It''s a good letter, but I agree that getting his name right would have helped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Green and Yellow 0 Posted December 4, 2008 [quote user="porkyp"]THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY NCFC STAR............there''s always one twat who has to comment with such rubbish........is that really a problem to you, you sad w--nker.[/quote]You would be an expert in that matter using your left hand while typing your reply you wan***. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WeAreYellows49 0 Posted December 4, 2008 Calm down people, most of us are singing from the same hymn sheet. So he made a spelling mistake, big deal, it''s wasn''t a hangable offence the last time I knew. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve b 0 Posted December 4, 2008 [quote user="ncfcstar"]And, I am sorry, but if you for one second think that Roeder can create a whole new team within one transfer window you are deluded. Grant (a person you seem to have some sort of admiration for) ruined our squad of players, and left us with no tangible assets, Roeder has had to start from scratch, and I fully think that it wont be truly "his" team until we either get some money or until next season. It may be too late by then, but it was the appointment of Grant as manager that has put us in this position, yes the boards fault, but he had the footballing knowledge of a peanut.[/quote]it''s you who is deluded if you don''t believe it''s his team Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John 0 Posted December 4, 2008 All this hostile response based on a SPELLING MISTAKE?!You and i all know we see a LOT worse on this board.Absolutely shameful and pitiful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ncfcstar 292 Posted December 4, 2008 No Steve o, I am sure Roeder would say to you in private that if he had the money he would have his own team in place by now. Loans are good for us, because we couldn''t get the same quality for the money, BUT they can''t take the place of a permanent player, and until Roeder can make a team up with maybe only 1 or 2 loan players I don''t see it as "his" team, at the moment he is doing the best he can with the budget he has got. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve b 0 Posted December 4, 2008 Roeder has had the money mate, plymouth and bristol and a few others have had less, they''ve all got their own team, Roeder could of shopped in the lower leagues, you say we couldn''t get the same quality for the money well Andy Bishop would be better than Sibierski, Henville was a complete waste of money by Roeder, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Lamberts Disciple 0 Posted December 4, 2008 Its not "just" a spelling mistake; porkyp spent a considerable amount of time composing a very sincere (and fair) plea to out club, yet couldn''t even spend a second to get his recipient''s name correct. Everything following that unforgivable error, regardless of how accurate or emotive it might be, goes straight to the filing cabinet marked "irrational cretin".Shame. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ncfcstar 292 Posted December 4, 2008 You honestly think with the budget he has clearly had to adhere to that you could get the same quality players in as the ones we''ve had on loan? If we sign Lita in January, then Clingan, Bell, Hoolahan, Stef (before he was injured) are all great signings.I don''t think Andy Bishop would be better, no one has took the gamble with him have they, Roeder doesn''t deserve the stick he has gotten for his team selections. A-H was a mistake, but come on, don''t you think he has done the best he can in a bad situation? I honestly don''t think you could get consistently better players for the money that he has spent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tribes 0 Posted December 4, 2008 [quote user="ncfcstar"]You honestly think with the budget he has clearly had to adhere to that you could get the same quality players in as the ones we''ve had on loan? If we sign Lita in January, then Clingan, Bell, Hoolahan, Stef (before he was injured) are all great signings. I don''t think Andy Bishop would be better, no one has took the gamble with him have they, Roeder doesn''t deserve the stick he has gotten for his team selections. A-H was a mistake, but come on, don''t you think he has done the best he can in a bad situation? I honestly don''t think you could get consistently better players for the money that he has spent.[/quote]We are paying $8.5M on players wages which is well above the £5M we can afford. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Camuldonum 0 Posted December 4, 2008 [quote user="steve o"]Roeder has had the money mate, plymouth and bristol and a few others have had less, they''ve all got their own team, Roeder could of shopped in the lower leagues, you say we couldn''t get the same quality for the money well Andy Bishop would be better than Sibierski, Henville was a complete waste of money by Roeder,[/quote]Bishop has been watched by countless Championship clubs for the past two seasons plus some Premiership and none have yet gone for him. He is a very good League Two player but there is no guarantee he can step up to your level. Bishop is the highest paid player in League Two (around about £100k or just over) and he''d want a two year contract to move. If you think he is worth the risk go for it but remember he won''t be up against League Two defenders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites