Some fans know whats going on

[BBFF 0]

The EDP says today (Fans Eye) that the SCG have been told by the club what going on with the Cullum offer but the fans on the SCG are keeping it a secret. They are there supposedly to represent us fans in dealing with the club. It now appears the SCG is just another part of the club which is there to keep the fans happy, are in fact in the boards pocket and are a waste of time as fan representatives. If the SCG cant or wont tell the people they stand for what''s going on when they know, its time the fans on the group stand down.

 

This is part of the SCG Constitution.

"The aim of the group is to help to improve communication between the Club and it''s supporters and encourage frank, open constructive discussion of the clubs policies and supporters issues on a regular basis especially those issues which affect supporters most"

 

Maybe the fans on the group should read their constitution again and think hard about who are they really there for, us or the board.

 

FOOTBALL MUST COME FIRST

[First Wizard 0]

Just more of Delia''s arse lickers.........why are people surprised?

[jetstream 0]

I''m sure many of you are NCISA members and will know that John Tilson is a strident critic of the Club at times - hardly "in the board''s pocket".

John Tilson is also on the SCG.

I can''t see he would be happy to be described as a being part of a "cosy chat" with the Club about the whole Cullum affair.

Not least by Adam Aiken, one of Mr Tilson''s best friends.

[tribes 0]

When a certain group of supporters have information about the situation regarding Cullum etc that the rest do not have that causes resentment. The "I know something you don''t" syndrome.

It is not helpful for information to be revealed to representatives of supporters when no information at all is being relayed by the club to the rest.

[jetstream 0]

Wiz, that''s a rather harsh description of people who give up their time for free to help on issues about away travel, refreshments and all sorts of minutiae about the Club on your behalf - including sub-groups for disabled supporters, which I think is relevant to yourself.

Do you ever think before you type?

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="jetstream"]Wiz, that''s a rather harsh description of people who give up their time for free to help on issues about away travel, refreshments and all sorts of minutiae about the Club on your behalf - including sub-groups for disabled supporters, which I think is relevant to yourself. Do you ever think before you type?[/quote]

In my experience jetstream, fan groups, NCISA being one group, are made up with some fans who have other agenda''s to pursue (I was a NCISA member early on ) so I tend to be wary of such groups and their motives...........sorry.

[AndyJR 0]

[quote user="1st Wizard"]

[quote user="jetstream"]Wiz, that''s a rather harsh description of people who give up their time for free to help on issues about away travel, refreshments and all sorts of minutiae about the Club on your behalf - including sub-groups for disabled supporters, which I think is relevant to yourself. Do you ever think before you type?[/quote]

In my experience jetstream, fan groups, NCISA being one group, are made up with some fans who have other agenda''s to pursue (I was a NCISA member early on ) so I tend to be wary of such groups and their motives...........sorry.

[/quote]Nice to see your mug is half full this morning Wizzy.

[Budgie 0]

So who is on the SCG, how many are there, and how were they selected?

[canary cherub 1]

Of course the SCG don''t know what''s really going on, or very little of it.  Since when has a "cosy chat" with the board revealed anything that we really needed to know? 

They''ve been told what the board want them to think is going on.  Then they''ve been told to keep quiet about it because a) it makes them think it must be true, b) if makes them think the board trust them to keep a secret, and c) if they reveal it it will pretty soon emerge how true (or not) it really is.

 

[Mello Yello 2,573]

"Knowledge is POWER!"

"I know something about NCFC that you don''t! Ner ner nee ner ner!"[:P]

[mozzer 0]

If the paper is correct (could be a big if!) - maybe it''s in our best interests that we don''t know just yet; if we are in negotiations showing our hand would not be clever - plus why give clubs, agents and players information that could be to our disadvantage.

[Carlos Valderrama 0]

Or just maybe they have been asked to politely keep their mouths shut for a few days.  An unwritten gentlemans agreement to keep silent while talks with Cullum/A N Other are at an advanced stage.  It is possible that any information if leaked into the public domain would be detrimental to whatever is going on.  I am quite sure we will find out soon enough.

All this talk of Delia arse lickers, conspiracy theories and cosy clicks is all rather foolish.  This is a multi-million pound business for christs sake not a bloody soap opera.

[jetstream 0]

@Budgie

All the information on the SCG is here:

http://www.canaries.premiumtv.co.uk/page/SCGIndex/0,,10355,00.html

[canary cherub 1]

[quote user="Carlos Valderrama"]

 This is a multi-million pound business for christs sake not a bloody soap opera.

[/quote]

Exactly. 

I agree with those who think no useful purpose would be served by revealing what''s really going on to the SCG at this stage.  But what gets me is why they can''t just be straight with the SCG and say so, instead of making them think they''re in on the deal.

 

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

Would that be PC Tilson again by any chance?  Actually to be fair to him he has said most of the stuff he knows on here.

[scott 0]

Lets hope that something is going to happen with Peter Cullum cause everything about the bloke is right for the cluband the directors would be very very blinkered if they didn''t see this!

 

But in my experience of hangers on in pre season tours, hangers on at Colney who think they know it all, other hangers ons, people who know someone at the club, people who''ve put large amounts of sponsorship into the club and think they are first for all the latest news etc, is that the club will often tell these sorts things that aren''t true cause they know they can''t wait to go blabbing of to anyone who cares showing them how much they know.

 

Believe things when they actually happen!

 

The public announcement of Peter Cullums interest indicates to me that something could be about to happen otherwise if it doesn''t the directors will become under enormous pressure from the fans.

 

 

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="Fat Prophet"]

Of course the SCG don''t know what''s really going on, or very little of it.  Since when has a "cosy chat" with the board revealed anything that we really needed to know? 

They''ve been told what the board want them to think is going on.  Then they''ve been told to keep quiet about it because a) it makes them think it must be true, b) if makes them think the board trust them to keep a secret, and c) if they reveal it it will pretty soon emerge how true (or not) it really is.

 

[/quote]Its just like Roeder apparantly telling the people (sheep) who went to the talk with him some stuff he didn''t want told to anyone outside the 100 or so people who went to his talk.  If you don''t want it told to people don''t bloody say it.  Give the sheep a little supposed special information tro chew on and let them graze...  Its just playing a crowd innit, most plebs will follow.I would like to think at least one of the SCG members would bring into the public domain this information.

[CaptnCanary 0]

I can kind of understand if the club do want to hide something for now if it would be in our best interests. I am actually sure that is what is going on at the moment. But why dont they just announce to everyone that no news will be forthcoming for some time and that there are reasons behind this that we will all end up happy about. If they said that then we would not be scrabbling around this message board every spare moment and we could rest easy for a while until something is announced....

[TheCardinal 0]

[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"][quote user="Fat Prophet"]

Of course the SCG don''t know what''s really going on, or very little of it.  Since when has a "cosy chat" with the board revealed anything that we really needed to know? 

They''ve been told what the board want them to think is going on.  Then they''ve been told to keep quiet about it because a) it makes them think it must be true, b) if makes them think the board trust them to keep a secret, and c) if they reveal it it will pretty soon emerge how true (or not) it really is.

 

[/quote]Its just like Roeder apparantly telling the people (sheep) who went to the talk with him some stuff he didn''t want told to anyone outside the 100 or so people who went to his talk.  If you don''t want it told to people don''t bloody say it.  Give the sheep a little supposed special information tro chew on and let them graze...  Its just playing a crowd innit, most plebs will follow.I would like to think at least one of the SCG members would bring into the public domain this information.[/quote]Boo hoo, if you wanted to hear it you should have come - it was open to anyone and everyone. The problem with the SCG is simply that it is not open to anyone and is not an elected body. 

[ca 1]

Yes a few select fans know whats going on and then there''s the shareholders, 20,000  season ticket holders, members and die hard fans who haven''t got a clue whats going on.

No wonder loyal fans like me are totally pisssed off at the moment.

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="TheMarshmallowMan"]Boo hoo, if you wanted to hear it you should have come - it was open to anyone and everyone. The problem with the SCG is simply that it is not open to anyone and is not an elected body.  [/quote]Not everybody can make said meeting for a variety of reasons, so those fans in say Australia get to miss out on Roeders titbits.  Well done for keeping your trap shut Marshmallow Man - always a bonus [;)].  What comes round goes round however RE his comments about Cureton.  So I will do what I did at the time and spread rumour and conjecture about what it might have been.As for the SCG, I have no time for these types, unfortunatley they are the sort that were talked round at the AGM by Duffy''s words.  A few minutes of Doncaster''s dulcid tones and they were probably under his spell...Talk is cheap in this day and age, actions define true purpose.

[TIL 1010 5,246]

For what it is worth CITIZEN and others although initially invited by the club to sit on the SCG back on day one and have remained there ever since i strongly believe that all members should be elected as opposed to selected.Neil DONCASTER,Roger MUNBY and Andy CULLEN are aware of my views.

Resign i hear you say if that is the case.I have adopted the attitude that being on the inside of the tent with a view of the outside is better than standing on the outside not knowing what is inside.

Do not get me wrong there are a lot of good people who sit around the table but likewise there are individuals who pop up every now and again having been selected as opposed to elected who sit and say little or nothing or in some cases fail to show meeting after meeting and i have not a clue who they are.There that will make me popular in some quarters will it not?

People who have an input into the various sub committees e.g.Away travel,Ticketing,Disabled supporters blah de blah give their time for free and some travel considerable distances to attend meetings and that is to be respected but the full SCG meetings sometimes i find frustrating and yes on the odd occassion feel that we are paying lip service but as i say that is my opinion.

At the end of the day it was a channel that the club opened up post CHASE which was what was needed but whether the full SCG has run it''s course is open to debate.

[BBFF 0]

There are things to think about here. Its a cumulative group but who do they consult. It uses the name supporters but did anyone ask them to speak to the club on our behalf. The board felt confident enough to tell the supporters on the group what was going knowing they wouldn''t tell the thousands of supporters they are supposed to represent. Just how chummy are the supporters on the SCG with the descion makers at the club?

 

I''ll ask again should the supporters on the group tell the us what''s going on?

 

FOOTBALL MUST COME FIRST

[Shaun Tilly Lace 0]

[quote user="1st Wizard"]Just more of Delia''s arse lickers.........why are people surprised?[/quote]

That''s how I would sum them up as well, Wiz. Why do the club need to meet with an elite group of fans to convey "confidential" info? Do the board have something to hide from us the "lesser" fans? The whole thing stinks if you ask me.

[TIL 1010 5,246]

Look guys and girls my last post outlined my views and i do not consider myself to be an "arse licker" and certainly not "elite".

Those are ridiculous ill informed remarks as i suggest you do not know many if any of the individuals who sit round the table.I told you i know bugger all about some of them and yes that is one of it''s major downfalls and i can understand the frustration that it causes.

Make representation to those that created the beast.Do not shoot the messenger.

[nutty nigel 7,902]

It''s only when big issues arise that fans want to be part of these groups. Fans want a say when they want Worthy Out or Delia to walk away but in fairness no fans group could or should be allowed to make those decisions. It would seem the fans groups do a good job on things like the away fans charter or pricing of tickets etc. because in the main Norwich fans get a fair deal from the club.

 

[BBFF 0]

Nutty when the board went to the SCG about Cullum did they ask the supporters on it for an opinion as if it came from us all? We don''t know and that''s the whole point.

They are unelected but represents us, as we can see there is no openness or accountability it looks to be no than an old pals act giving the board some false sense of respectability so they can say they are a listening club when we can see they are not.

The Cullum cat is out of the bag and if the board don''t talk to Cullum and settle it one way or the other soon the club will spit apart at least in the stands.

 

FOOTBALL MUST COME FIRST

[nutty nigel 7,902]

[quote user="BBFF"]

Nutty when the board went to the SCG about Cullum did they ask the supporters on it for an opinion as if it came from us all? We don''t know and that''s the whole point.

They are unelected but represents us, as we can see there is no openness or accountability it looks to be no than an old pals act giving the board some false sense of respectability so they can say they are a listening club when we can see they are not.

The Cullum cat is out of the bag and if the board don''t talk to Cullum and settle it one way or the other soon the club will spit apart at least in the stands.

 

FOOTBALL MUST COME FIRST

[/quote]

Then you know many things that I do not BBFF. I don''t know anything about the goings on at any of these meetings and I don''t believe any of them represent me. Commander Tilson of the nCIsA may not be everybody''s "cup of tea" but he has come on here and spoken honestly to the posters. I have got a lot of time for those people who give up their time to take part in some of these committees. I don''t think I would ever do it and whenever somethings thought to be wrong they get shed loads of abuse from other fans.

Thing is - listening to the fans doesn''t neccessarily mean agreeing with them. If Peter Cullum took over tomorrow and put a fan on the board that doesn''t mean yours and my point of view will be put to the board. Very often the fans honestly don''t know best. We all have an opinion even if it''s ill-informed and unworkable we think its ok and we think we know best. Look how often us fans change our minds about the club, managers and players. We can afford to because we are not making the decisions that matter.

Directors set the budgets and choose the manager, managers buy the players and pick the team and fans support the team and watch the games. But fans also know best how to run the club, set the budgets, buy the players and pick the team but we also reserve the right to change our minds when we are wrong.

 

[Wembley_Canary 0]

IF it is true that the board have decided to talk to and only to the SCG group (elite NCFC fans) then that is in my opinion yet another mistake the board have made this week, why should any individual City fan have the right to know more about what''s going on at the club, than what the vast majority of us know! Like I said before IF this is true then this is yet another disgrace.

 

 

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

Then you know many things that I do not BBFF. I don''t know anything about the goings on at any of these meetings and I don''t believe any of them represent me. Commander Tilson of the nCIsA may not be everybody''s "cup of tea" but he has come on here and spoken honestly to the posters. I have got a lot of time for those people who give up their time to take part in some of these committees. I don''t think I would ever do it and whenever somethings thought to be wrong they get shed loads of abuse from other fans. 

[/quote]made me chuckle Nutty!  I was thinking it could also be NciSA which apart from the american security agency is also:http://www.tinylink.com  [:D]