Rossi Jarvis: I didnt get a chance

[Trent Canary 0]

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Makes some reasonable points, particularly how he was an England Under 19 player, and Roeder brought in the next lot of England under 19s, so he wasnt sure why wasnt he given a game.

However he then talks about how Ryan Jarvis never got a shot under Roeder either, the same Ryan Jarvis who has (From what ive been told by a Notts county fan) been poor for a terrible team in league 2.

Unfortuanetly, as much as I love the ''Local boy done good'' type of story, they just were not good enough from what we have seen. We could have persevered with Rossi perhaps for another season, but Ryan certainly had to go. And I dont know enough about the other kids who were released to speak with any conviction.

[GJP 79]

He says he doesn''t think the young players Roeder has brought in are better than him or some of our other youngsters... is he being serious???

[Robert N. LiM 6,274]

And he thinks he played well in those games he got under Grant. I''m not sure I''ve ever seen a City player look more out his depth than he did.

[tribes 0]

[quote user="Robert N. LiM"]And he thinks he played well in those games he got under Grant. I''m not sure I''ve ever seen a City player look more out his depth than he did.
[/quote]Do you think Gibb played any better?

[Dr. Ink 0]

Simply not good enough at Championship level. They both stayed on far longer than they should have.

[can u sit down please 0]

I think its unfortunate for both that it has been a bad time to be a city youngster over the last 3 yrs. No stability and no opportunity to give them a run to try and kick on from.

Ryan didnt do too bad at Notts Co, despite only scoring twice the fans really like him and blame his lack of goals on a poor midfield....now where have i heard that before.....

[GJP 79]

[quote user="tribes"][quote user="Robert N. LiM"]And he thinks he played well in those games he got under Grant. I''m not sure I''ve ever seen a City player look more out his depth than he did.
[/quote]Do you think Gibb played any better?[/quote]

Yup.

Hope you don''t mind me answering as you quoted Robert.

[tribes 0]

[quote user="can u sit down please"]

I think its unfortunate for both that it has been a bad time to be a city youngster over the last 3 yrs. No stability and no opportunity to give them a run to try and kick on from.

Ryan didnt do too bad at Notts Co, despite only scoring twice the fans really like him and blame his lack of goals on a poor midfield....now where have i heard that before.....

[/quote]Think your first sentence sums up the problems our youngsters have had over the last few years. They need to now go out and prove they have the talent. Lewis is doing just that at the moment.

[Syteanric 1]

[quote user="tribes"][quote user="Robert N. LiM"]And he thinks he played well in those games he got under Grant. I''m not sure I''ve ever seen a City player look more out his depth than he did.
[/quote]Do you think Gibb played any better?[/quote]

which one.. Barry, Morris or Robyn?

jas :)

[Cottaging Canary 0]

[quote user="jas the barclay king"]

[quote user="tribes"][quote user="Robert N. LiM"]And he thinks he played well in those games he got under Grant. I''m not sure I''ve ever seen a City player look more out his depth than he did.
[/quote]Do you think Gibb played any better?[/quote]

which one.. Barry, Morris or Robyn?

jas :)

[/quote]

Brilliant Jas! Night fever, night fever.......

[Syteanric 1]

[quote user="Greenwich Canary"][quote user="jas the barclay king"]

[quote user="tribes"][quote user="Robert N. LiM"]And he thinks he played well in those games he got under Grant. I''m not sure I''ve ever seen a City player look more out his depth than he did.
[/quote]Do you think Gibb played any better?[/quote]

which one.. Barry, Morris or Robyn?

jas :)

[/quote]

Brilliant Jas! Night fever, night fever.......

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Perhaps we should sign the Gibb Boys.. we need help "stayin Alive" in this division next season.. we certainly dont want to be saying "You win again" When the opposition come to Carrow road... as for Delia.. well.. its going to take "more than a woman" to stop this decline...

I''ll stop now shall i? :|

jas :)

[ZLF 334]

In the games this season Rossi  played better overall than Spillane,  who is being kept.

Neither is good enough though.

 

[Buncey 1]

I agree with young rossi. I thought he looked as though he could be a capable player at this level, and at least maybe a lower ccc player. However he just hasn''t been given a chance. He started (I think) only one league game for norwich, so for those people who are saying he is not good enough, then how do we actually know? I''m disapointed but not annoyed. I''m glad for the lad that he''s going but he didn''t get his fair run, when players that are as bad as gibbs got plenty of run outs. But, I wish my good luck to him and I hope he proves glenn wrong, and can play at ccc level.

[Wings 0]

[quote user="ZippersLeftFoot"]

In the games this season Rossi  played better overall than Spillane,  who is being kept.

Neither is good enough though.

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Again, only because he''s still in contract and Rossi isn''t. He could yet be sold.

[psychedeliasmith 0]

There''s a key difference with Spillane and Jarvis. Spillane is still under contract whilst Rossi''s is up. Sorry but Roswsi Jarvis is just not good enough and he proved that in his five games with us. Ryan has been out on loan many times and has never scored many goals for any club he has played for. Even Orient, after a promising start he did nothing. Considering we need a goalscorer, he''s not what we need.

Unfortunately it seems that too many of our own youth players believe that we owe them a living just because they''ve been with us for a long time.

[Old Boy 0]

The key is attitude. Both the Jarvis boys were lazy and unwilling to put in the hard yards, and thought they could trade off their talent. Unfortunately their talent wasn''t big enough for that to work. What Roeder''s doing is trying to root out that attitude, which has really taken root here. Much as I dislike the way he talks, I agree with most of what he does. Maybe the lesson will eventually sink in with the kids with real talent, such as Martin: no sign of it yet though.

[ricky knight 0]

IMO we might as well get rid of our academy, its about as much good as a chocolate poker, seems Roeder, deems them all lazy with attitude anyway, yet we keep bringing in youg uns from other clubs, so save money, close the academy

[SWP = Poor Mans Ruel Fox!! 0]

Think the hope is that with getting rid of the dross who are lazy and arrogant, the next lot may have a better attitude and we could begin reaping the rewards of the academy.  Certainly not time to dispense of it altogether IMO

[Wings 0]

[quote user="ricky knight"]IMO we might as well get rid of our academy, its about as much good as a chocolate poker, seems Roeder, deems them all lazy with attitude anyway, yet we keep bringing in youg uns from other clubs, so save money, close the academy[/quote]

I hardly think that''s the truth. We have in a number of our youngsters, developed this culture of "next best thing" syndrome where managers and coaches have come, hyped players up and then allowed them to potter around unchallenged for too long.

Hopefully the tough attitude Roeder has shown the current crop of wasters will toughen up the next generations at the academy.

[GJP 79]

[quote user="Fellas"] when players that are as bad as gibbs got plenty of run outs. But, I wish my good luck to him and I hope he proves glenn wrong, and can play at ccc level.
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Who do you think will go further/have a better career in football, Kieran Gibbs or Rossi Jarvis?

[Buncey 1]

[quote user="GJP"]

[quote user="Fellas"] when players that are as bad as gibbs got plenty of run outs. But, I wish my good luck to him and I hope he proves glenn wrong, and can play at ccc level.[/quote]

Who do you think will go further/have a better career in football, Kieran Gibbs or Rossi Jarvis?

[/quote]You''ve phrased that wrongly."Who do you think will go further/have a better career in football at norwich city, Kieran Gibbs or Rossi Jarvis?"

[Buncey 1]

Have to add that unfortunaetly for us, it appears that rossi hasn''t got a future here anymore. But if you had to give me a choice (considering rossi has only started one league game and like 2 or 3 cup games) then I couldn''t say. I don''t want gibbs to come back here. I don''t think he is ready for ccc yet. He couldn''t do a job for us, around good players he might look great but for us, he just won''t be able to do the job we need.

[GJP 79]

[quote user="Fellas"][quote user="GJP"]

[quote user="Fellas"] when players that are as bad as gibbs got plenty of run outs. But, I wish my good luck to him and I hope he proves glenn wrong, and can play at ccc level.
[/quote]

Who do you think will go further/have a better career in football, Kieran Gibbs or Rossi Jarvis?

[/quote]

You''ve phrased that wrongly.

"Who do you think will go further/have a better career in football at norwich city, Kieran Gibbs or Rossi Jarvis?"
[/quote]

No, I didn''t.

It''s in Norwich City''s best interest to having the best players possible playing for us.

I''ll put it slightly more blunty - who do you think is and will turn out to be the better player?

[Buncey 1]

[quote user="GJP"][quote user="Fellas"][quote user="GJP"]

[quote user="Fellas"] when players that are as bad as gibbs got plenty of run outs. But, I wish my good luck to him and I hope he proves glenn wrong, and can play at ccc level.[/quote]

Who do you think will go further/have a better career in football, Kieran Gibbs or Rossi Jarvis?

[/quote]You''ve phrased that wrongly."Who do you think will go further/have a better career in football at norwich city, Kieran Gibbs or Rossi Jarvis?"[/quote]

No, I didn''t.

It''s in Norwich City''s best interest to having the best players possible playing for us.

I''ll put it slightly more blunty - who do you think is and will turn out to be the better player?

[/quote]I cannot say although I will add that I don''t think gibbs is good enough for this league. He might be good in the future, but then how far down the future. I think I''ve counted him do a collective of 3 tackles during his time here. Norwich need players now. Sure if gibbs becomes a prem reservist in 10 years time then well done to him. He''ll prolly end up the better player because his manager wants him to play and he''s at a far superior club which value their youth system. I wouldn''t be suprised if rossi goes to a league 1 team and ends up playing in the ccc soon. So, to sum up. I would rather have had rossi then gibbs here next season.

[GJP 79]

[quote user="Fellas"][quote user="GJP"][quote user="Fellas"][quote user="GJP"]

[quote user="Fellas"] when players that are as bad as gibbs got plenty of run outs. But, I wish my good luck to him and I hope he proves glenn wrong, and can play at ccc level.
[/quote]

Who do you think will go further/have a better career in football, Kieran Gibbs or Rossi Jarvis?

[/quote]

You''ve phrased that wrongly.

"Who do you think will go further/have a better career in football at norwich city, Kieran Gibbs or Rossi Jarvis?"
[/quote]

No, I didn''t.

It''s in Norwich City''s best interest to having the best players possible playing for us.

I''ll put it slightly more blunty - who do you think is and will turn out to be the better player?

[/quote]

I cannot say although I will add that I don''t think gibbs is good enough for this league. He might be good in the future, but then how far down the future. I think I''ve counted him do a collective of 3 tackles during his time here. Norwich need players now. Sure if gibbs becomes a prem reservist in 10 years time then well done to him. He''ll prolly end up the better player because his manager wants him to play and he''s at a far superior club which value their youth system. I wouldn''t be suprised if rossi goes to a league 1 team and ends up playing in the ccc soon.

So, to sum up. I would rather have had rossi then gibbs here next season.
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In my opinion, I would be very surprised if Rossi Jarvis managed to cut out a career above League 2. He''s probably lucky he can say he came through at Norwich, he wouldn''t exactly stand out if we was playing for a local team on a Saturday. Far too limited as a player.

[ZLF 334]

I agree with old boy;  a lack of applictaion is crucial (for all his faults beckham had to work so hard for example) but so is that inner driver and mental strength and I have not seen that from many of our youngsters... 

[Buncey 1]

Agree to disagree GJP.But zipper, you bring up a good point. Why does it seem that so many of our youngsters have this ''attitude problem''. I can''t comment on other clubs, but it doesn''t seem to be such a big problem there. After all, Martin and some of the other definately have the talent, why are the throwing it away? Is it due to some sort of management issue at the club or don''t we keep them driven enough?

[scott 0]

Rossi Jarvis had his chances this season when he proved that although he can play football he was far too lightweight to ever make the grade at this level and I''d suspect will struggle to make it in league 2 - he was with Torquay last season and they are now non league. If he was that good why didn''t they want him back this season?

 

He does though, make some valid points about certain other loanees who I''d suspect are messrs Henry and Gibbs 2 of the worst loan players we''ve ever had at this club.  All this rubbish now being ''sprouted'' about Gibbs I find hard to believe. He done OK in the final 2 home games of the season where his passing was good but he was still way too lightweight and in reality offered no threat and made no mark on the games. In the games before he was painfull to watch. He may make it if he gets stronger cause he can play football but that is a big IF and in the future I only want loan players who are good enough to make a difference NOT Premiership clubs using Norwich as a nursery for players not ready for the tough physical nature of the Championship! - As for Henry! 

[GJP 79]

[quote user="scott"]

Rossi Jarvis had his chances this season when he proved that although he can play football he was far too lightweight to ever make the grade at this level and I''d suspect will struggle to make it in league 2 - he was with Torquay last season and they are now non league. If he was that good why didn''t they want him back this season?

 

He does though, make some valid points about certain other loanees who I''d suspect are messrs Henry and Gibbs 2 of the worst loan players we''ve ever had at this club.  All this rubbish now being ''sprouted'' about Gibbs I find hard to believe. He done OK in the final 2 home games of the season where his passing was good but he was still way too lightweight and in reality offered no threat and made no mark on the games. In the games before he was painfull to watch. He may make it if he gets stronger cause he can play football but that is a big IF and in the future I only want loan players who are good enough to make a difference NOT Premiership clubs using Norwich as a nursery for players not ready for the tough physical nature of the Championship! - As for Henry! 

[/quote]

Nail on the head with Rossi. Thought that at the time, why didn''t Torquay want him back? He''s noway near as good as he seems to think he is.

As for Gibbs, I wouldn''t mind seeing him back here but only as backup. He looks like he''s got a nice touch and there was a couple of times where I thought he showed good awareness of what was around him. But having said that he clearly does lack the strength to compete in this league at the moment. Definitely looks to have ability, in my opinion, just needs a bit longer to get to grips with senior football.

[thumb180 0]

NOT HAD A CHANCE HE SAYS IN MY OPINION WHICH IS NOT WORTH MUCH HE HAS BEEN WITH US SINCE THE AGE OF 9 IS THAT CORRECT OR HIS BRO GET CONFUSED ANYWAY BOTH NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR US I MEAN HOW LONG YOU NEED OUT OF THE 9 REALEASED HUCKS WAS TO ME THE ONLY SURPRISE (GUTTED BUT MOVE ON)THE OTHER 8 ALL DEAD WOOD IN MY OPINION AND IM GLAD EAGLES GOT CONTRACT HE IS QUICK AND DOES HAVE A GOOD NATURAL LEFT FOOT WHAT GR SAID IS  HE WANTS TO WORK WITH HIM IN GYM BULK HIM UP  AND SEE HOW HE GOES NEED A HAIR CUT THO LOL