Official Site - Norwich 0.9% chance of signing Iliev

[norfolkbroadslim 225]

http://www.canaries.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetails/0,,10355~1212186,00.html

 

It''s all gone Pete Tong I''m afraid.

 

[Old Shuck 291]

We wouldn''t get a work permit for him maybe, but you wonder if one of the "big four" would!

[Gentleman Jim 0]

That''s it then, we will just have to splash the cash and get "Tiny" in pronto !

[SouthamptonCanary 0]

I''m not to disappointed if we don''t sign this guy as you just don''t know what your getting when you buy this type of player.  I hope we now go out and increase our offer on Tiny and get him because we know he can do the job

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

Seems ridiculous, we knew how many international games he had played before taking him on trial??

[Jonny 5 0]

Work permit rules aren''t made by the FA, but are a Governmental regulation, so it doesn''t matter which club makes the application the rules are the same. A player must have played in 75% of his countries last internationals or be a "young player of exceptional ability", this is how Celtic recently got a work permit for Koki Mizuno.Due to Iliev''s age and lack of international apperances a work permit is unlikely. The club may still make an application and try to argue he is an "exceptional" talent, but that seems a difficult case to prove. Iilev needs to discover an EU grandparent.It''s a shame, I would of prefered him over Tiny, cheaper to buy, lower wages and maybe a little extra quality.

[Shack Attack 0]

[quote user="Old Shuck"]

We wouldn''t get a work permit for him maybe, but you wonder if one of the "big four" would!

[/quote]

My thoughts exactly Old Shuck.

Whenever a big Premiership team has a request for a work permit turned down they appeal and a work permit magically appears a couple of weeks later. Now what do you think would happen if we appealed?

[norfolkbroadslim 225]

[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]Seems ridiculous, we knew how many international games he had played before taking him on trial??
[/quote]

Exactly, which is why I am thinking that perhaps there is more to it than meets the eye i.e a smokescreen. 

Probably not though.

[BigFish 2,282]

[quote user="Jonny 5"] Iilev needs to discover an EU grandparent.

[/quote]

Why? He has already got four (Bulgaria acceded to the EU on 1 Jan 2007). [;)]

[blahblahblah 2]

It seems odd to me that we would invite him for a trial when the rules are fairly clear about the percentage of internationals played.  Unless of course nobody checked this before he was invited over... [:o]

[Joanna Grey 0]

[quote user="Jonny 5"]Work permit rules aren''t made by the FA, but are a Governmental regulation, so it doesn''t matter which club makes the application the rules are the same. A player must have played in 75% of his countries last internationals or be a "young player of exceptional ability", this is how Celtic recently got a work permit for Koki Mizuno.

Due to Iliev''s age and lack of international apperances a work permit is unlikely. The club may still make an application and try to argue he is an "exceptional" talent, but that seems a difficult case to prove. Iilev needs to discover an EU grandparent.

It''s a shame, I would of prefered him over Tiny, cheaper to buy, lower wages and maybe a little extra quality.
[/quote]

Thanks for stating the facts Jonny 5, but logical, rational posts are not allowed around these parts! [;)]

[Pete Raven 276]

And before anyone asks why he can''t join as Bulgaria became a member of the EU on January 1, 2007:

Most of the 15 older EU member states have put in place restrictions on the free movement of workers from the two new members (Bulgaria and Romania) - though Finland and Sweden are two exceptions.

[Old Shuck 291]

[quote user="Shack Attack"]

[quote user="Old Shuck"]

We wouldn''t get a work permit for him maybe, but you wonder if one of the "big four" would!

[/quote]

My thoughts exactly Old Shuck.

Whenever a big Premiership team has a request for a work permit turned down they appeal and a work permit magically appears a couple of weeks later. Now what do you think would happen if we appealed?

[/quote]

Exactly-who here is old enough to remember the Wynton Rufer saga?

Man Utd have just signed, and I may well be wrong, but the gist of it is the player is about 17 and hails from Angola-no work permit problems there, although I accept that they do have a "nursery" team at Antwerp where they can send them in order to get the required EC ''qualification''.

It does seem to me that, mostly for commercial reasons I guess, a lot of clubs are signing players from the Far East, as well as other countries where football is booming and a work permit (China a good example) never seems to be a problem, you''d think a Bulgarian international would satisfy those that make the decisions but, it would seem, not! But then, how did we get Dave Striker -not an International- without any problems but have seemingly already decided that Iliev would be problematic-both Bulgaria and the Czech Republic/Slovakia are EU Member states, so why OK for Dave and not Iliev?

Having said all that, I hope we get Tiny now and with the £800''000 in from Lewis and Brown departures (just waiting for ND to say that its all been allocated) surely we should pay the extra BCFC are asking for-get on with it!

 

[Camuldonum 0]

[quote user="Web Team - Pete"]

And before anyone asks why he can''t join as Bulgaria became a member of the EU on January 1, 2007:

Most of the 15 older EU member states have put in place restrictions on the free movement of workers from the two new members (Bulgaria and Romania) - though Finland and Sweden are two exceptions.

[/quote]

 

Correct but the club could of course ask your supportive MPs to put pressure on the Home Office to make your man exceptional...........and if he was coming for agricultural work there would be far less of a problem.

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="Web Team - Pete"]

And before anyone asks why he can''t join as Bulgaria became a member of the EU on January 1, 2007:

Most of the 15 older EU member states have put in place restrictions on the free movement of workers from the two new members (Bulgaria and Romania) - though Finland and Sweden are two exceptions.

[/quote]So why bring him here if thats the case? somethings fishy!.

[Congo Canary 0]

Work permits are notoriously difficult to judge and involve far too many grey areas unfortunately. Trust me, I have to apply for a new one about once a year, for each country the ship that i work on visits. Each country requires different information, ranging from police checks to letters of testamony, from your Dr. local bobby, or preacher! (how many Vicar''s do you know?). Hardest one to obtain was the work permit for Trinidad, which took 4 months before you can even enter the country, and they are an ex-British Colony. 

[The ghost of Michael Theoklitos 0]

[quote user="Jonny 5"]Work permit rules aren''t made by the FA, but are a Governmental regulation, so it doesn''t matter which club makes the application the rules are the same. A player must have played in 75% of his countries last internationals or be a "young player of exceptional ability", this is how Celtic recently got a work permit for Koki Mizuno.

Due to Iliev''s age and lack of international apperances a work permit is unlikely. The club may still make an application and try to argue he is an "exceptional" talent, but that seems a difficult case to prove. Iilev needs to discover an EU grandparent.

It''s a shame, I would of prefered him over Tiny, cheaper to buy, lower wages and maybe a little extra quality.
[/quote]

Correct.

I''ve always thought the Home Office rules for this were pretty stupid stupid, because international football doesn''t necessarily mean quality. Take for example if Iliev wasn''t from Bulgaria, but instead was from the Faroe Islands, or New Zealand. If he as good as reports say he is (and he wouldn''t need to be that good), he would be the first name down on the team sheet for either of those nations. Therefore, he would qualify under EU rules.

Should we book an appointment to the Home Office so we can point out their flawed logic?

[The ghost of Michael Theoklitos 0]

[quote user="Old Shuck"]

how did we get Dave Striker -not an International- without any problems but have seemingly already decided that Iliev would be problematic-both Bulgaria and the Czech Republic/Slovakia are EU Member states, so why OK for Dave and not Iliev?

[/quote]

Because the Czech Republic join the EU as part of the "Fifth Enlargement, part I" on the 1st of May 2004. The UK put no restrictions on the free movement of people from these countries, meaning people from these countries could work in the UK freely without the need for a work permit.

Bulgaria joined the EU as part of "Fifth Enlargement, part II" on 1st of January 2007. The UK, as well as many other EU states put working restrictions on people from these countries as part of this enlargement. Therefore, people from these countries still need work permits to work in the UK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Union

[Buncey 1]

All stinks of Wynton Rufer.I thought this country had grown some since the: "it''s who you know" days but it hasn''t.Top clubs get all the young untested youth players from all the over the world whilst clubs like norwich and watford have to fight to the death to keep or get anyone. This is a joke. He has been capped 11 times for Bulgaria. Typically for the big clubs they only even need one appearence at any level. Im sorry but whilst we have a two tier-ed system this country is a joke.

[Old Shuck 291]

[quote user="NorfolkChance"]

[quote user="Old Shuck"]

how did we get Dave Striker -not an International- without any problems but have seemingly already decided that Iliev would be problematic-both Bulgaria and the Czech Republic/Slovakia are EU Member states, so why OK for Dave and not Iliev?

[/quote]

Because the Czech Republic join the EU as part of the "Fifth Enlargement, part I" on the 1st of May 2004. The UK put no restrictions on the free movement of people from these countries, meaning people from these countries could work in the UK freely without the need for a work permit.

Bulgaria joined the EU as part of "Fifth Enlargement, part II" on 1st of January 2007. The UK, as well as many other EU states put working restrictions on people from these countries as part of this enlargement. Therefore, people from these countries still need work permits to work in the UK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Union

 [/quote]

Cheers and thanks, NorfolkChance...

[BigFish 2,282]

I blame Arthur Whittle, 1st Wizard and their BNP cronies.

Immigration controls indeed!

[Boris 62]

well Im huge disapointed but that is life:/

I hope at least we to find good central deffender soon because we are so tiny there.

Im sure that Iliev is enough PRO to play decent for Norwich City but now seems all gone and we need to find new target for sure.

According bulgarian press there is still slim chanse deal to be done because there is some other things that can be do it and player to receive this work visa one of them is national coach to garantee some things about player but funny until today we still not have new national team coach.Interesting is since Monday also on Blackburn is Levski SOfia player Domovchiiski and he has no more than 2-3 caps for national team and also Blackburn say that they will try to sign him after some trial done.

Interesting premiere league team will make enough for same visa or again deal will be failed.

According same press only big 3 arsenal,pool, man u managers have permision to decide alone for players who is not have this % of games to granted visa or not.

here is the full "saga"but is too long and I not have time to translate so if some one find way must be interesting for him to know all about Iliev saga.

 

Player must be in Bulgaria tomorrow and I will try to spoke with him about all things around him in last 4 days.

 

[BlyBlyBabes 0]

[quote user="NorfolkChance"]

[quote user="Old Shuck"]

how did we get Dave Striker -not an International- without any problems but have seemingly already decided that Iliev would be problematic-both Bulgaria and the Czech Republic/Slovakia are EU Member states, so why OK for Dave and not Iliev?

[/quote]

Because the Czech Republic join the EU as part of the "Fifth Enlargement, part I" on the 1st of May 2004. The UK put no restrictions on the free movement of people from these countries, meaning people from these countries could work in the UK freely without the need for a work permit.

Bulgaria joined the EU as part of "Fifth Enlargement, part II" on 1st of January 2007. The UK, as well as many other EU states put working restrictions on people from these countries as part of this enlargement. Therefore, people from these countries still need work permits to work in the UK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Union

[/quote]

But are the work permit requirements (or other regulations) for footballers from ''EU Fifth Enlargement, Part 2'' countries the same as those for (completely) non-EU countries?

Surely this is the key question? I would find it more than passing strange if the rules were equally restrictive in both cases.

Anybody know?

OTBC

 

 

[Buncey 1]

[quote user="BlyBlyBabes"][quote user="NorfolkChance"]

[quote user="Old Shuck"]

how did we get Dave Striker -not an International- without any problems but have seemingly already decided that Iliev would be problematic-both Bulgaria and the Czech Republic/Slovakia are EU Member states, so why OK for Dave and not Iliev?

[/quote]

Because the Czech Republic join the EU as part of the "Fifth Enlargement, part I" on the 1st of May 2004. The UK put no restrictions on the free movement of people from these countries, meaning people from these countries could work in the UK freely without the need for a work permit.

Bulgaria joined the EU as part of "Fifth Enlargement, part II" on 1st of January 2007. The UK, as well as many other EU states put working restrictions on people from these countries as part of this enlargement. Therefore, people from these countries still need work permits to work in the UK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Union

[/quote]

But are the work permit requirements (or other regulations) for footballers from ''EU Fifth Enlargement, Part 2'' countries the same as those for (completely) non-EU countries?

Surely this is the key question? I would find it more than passing strange if the rules were equally restrictive in both cases.

Anybody know?

OTBC

[/quote]I believe they are the same. How ever I also believe there is more liency (there is an offical thing or something this isn''t a rumour etc.) towards work permits from Bulgaria and Romania as there are work quota''s and such put in place or the number of work permits granted and applied for.Typically though the problem is not with the player himself. The typical guidlines needed for a player to be allowed to come to this country to play is that he has represented his country at internation level at least once at full level or at least a certain number of times at youth level. How ever these guidelines are butchered for the big teams. Mikel had no international experience when he went to chelsea, they used the excuse that he had played in norway that he was at sufficent level to play. Silly really when bulgaria and romania are highly ranked in the uefa league tables. Many older fans (well not that old) may remember Wynton Rufer who was a famous New Zealand footballer. He had been capped loads of times at the time we bought him (or went to buy him). He has single-handedly put New Zealand in the 1982 world cup. His work permit got rejected even though many other players got work permits (Bruce Grobbelaar being at least one of them). In the end he joined FC Zurich and eventually Werden Bremen where he became a european cup-winner and golden boot winner in the champions league. What annoys me the most is still now players from unknown african teams, who have bascially never played for their international teams get work permits to play in this country and it seems as though it''s solely because they are at big clubs. Al Bangura at watford is a great example of more injustice. It is about time that we see either some rules set down or that it becomes a level playing field.

[Boris 62]

[quote user="BlyBlyBabes"][quote user="NorfolkChance"]

[quote user="Old Shuck"]

how did we get Dave Striker -not an International- without any problems but have seemingly already decided that Iliev would be problematic-both Bulgaria and the Czech Republic/Slovakia are EU Member states, so why OK for Dave and not Iliev?

[/quote]

Because the Czech Republic join the EU as part of the "Fifth Enlargement, part I" on the 1st of May 2004. The UK put no restrictions on the free movement of people from these countries, meaning people from these countries could work in the UK freely without the need for a work permit.

Bulgaria joined the EU as part of "Fifth Enlargement, part II" on 1st of January 2007. The UK, as well as many other EU states put working restrictions on people from these countries as part of this enlargement. Therefore, people from these countries still need work permits to work in the UK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Union

[/quote]

But are the work permit requirements (or other regulations) for footballers from ''EU Fifth Enlargement, Part 2'' countries the same as those for (completely) non-EU countries?

Surely this is the key question? I would find it more than passing strange if the rules were equally restrictive in both cases.

Anybody know?

OTBC

[/quote]

Its same like non EU but far as i know there is time around 1-2 years that this restriction will gone for Bilgarian and ROmania.

Liverpool sign bulgarian keeper in summer and send him to Holland on loan and they say after one year there is no more restrictions but this keeper is 20 years old and pool can wat this.

Iliev is 27 and we need now deffender no next year :/

[kirku 1,358]

[quote user="Boris"]

well Im huge disapointed but that is life:/

I hope at least we to find good central deffender soon because we are so tiny there.

Im sure that Iliev is enough PRO to play decent for Norwich City but now seems all gone and we need to find new target for sure.

According bulgarian press there is still slim chanse deal to be done because there is some other things that can be do it and player to receive this work visa one of them is national coach to garantee some things about player but funny until today we still not have new national team coach.Interesting is since Monday also on Blackburn is Levski SOfia player Domovchiiski and he has no more than 2-3 caps for national team and also Blackburn say that they will try to sign him after some trial done.

Interesting premiere league team will make enough for same visa or again deal will be failed.

According same press only big 3 arsenal,pool, man u managers have permision to decide alone for players who is not have this % of games to granted visa or not.

here is the full "saga"but is too long and I not have time to translate so if some one find way must be interesting for him to know all about Iliev saga.

 

Player must be in Bulgaria tomorrow and I will try to spoke with him about all things around him in last 4 days.

 

[/quote]just checked Valeri Domovchiyski''s stats. He''s 21 and scores about 1 in 2 games. I reckon they''ll get in under the youngsters clause. If Illiev was 22 instead of 28 he might well have got a permit

[chicken 0]

What sucks about this the most is that this country still hasnt got it right!If this was Australia or the USA of whom both have incredibly strict immigration procedures, Ilieve would have been signed.This is because they realise that sport is a big revenue and that sports-people are for-ever moving around. How many tennis internationals are now based in Australia or the USA? A lot have moved there from eastern Europe, Russia etc.Even when they are not sports people they still gain easier access if they have been "sponsored" by a company.I am afraid that a lot of you are right. If this was any team in the top ten of the premiership there would be no problem. Look at Watford and the player they had deported even though he was playing on TV infront of millions of people last year in the Premiership. He must have also been paying masses into the tax system as it is incredibly unlikely that he was tax evading.

[BlyBlyBabes 0]

[quote user="Boris"][quote user="BlyBlyBabes"][quote user="NorfolkChance"]

[quote user="Old Shuck"]

how did we get Dave Striker -not an International- without any problems but have seemingly already decided that Iliev would be problematic-both Bulgaria and the Czech Republic/Slovakia are EU Member states, so why OK for Dave and not Iliev?

[/quote]

Because the Czech Republic join the EU as part of the "Fifth Enlargement, part I" on the 1st of May 2004. The UK put no restrictions on the free movement of people from these countries, meaning people from these countries could work in the UK freely without the need for a work permit.

Bulgaria joined the EU as part of "Fifth Enlargement, part II" on 1st of January 2007. The UK, as well as many other EU states put working restrictions on people from these countries as part of this enlargement. Therefore, people from these countries still need work permits to work in the UK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Union

[/quote]

But are the work permit requirements (or other regulations) for footballers from ''EU Fifth Enlargement, Part 2'' countries the same as those for (completely) non-EU countries?

Surely this is the key question? I would find it more than passing strange if the rules were equally restrictive in both cases.

Anybody know?

OTBC

[/quote]

Its same like non EU but far as i know there is time around 1-2 years that this restriction will gone for Bilgarian and ROmania.

Liverpool sign bulgarian keeper in summer and send him to Holland on loan and they say after one year there is no more restrictions but this keeper is 20 years old and pool can wat this.

Iliev is 27 and we need now deffender no next year :/

[/quote]

Well, maybe we can get him on emergency loan, roll it over and then work the system.lol!!

One suspects that this might be too much work for Doncaster though.[:S]

OTBC

 

[Cheerio 0]

[quote user="Gorleston Jim"]That''s it then, we will just have to splash the cash and get "Tiny" in pronto ![/quote]I''ll be amazed and very annoyed if we do. £750k was a fair offer. Stuff Brady