Colin, am I missing something

[Hardhouse44 289]

I am staggered at the amount of praise and adulation Jurgen Colin receives on here from some quarters. In a recent post several had him as one of their 3 favourite players and one even described him as our best defender and a cultured player. He is far from both in my view. He is an adequate fullback at this level and little else. Awful at attacking, never knows what to do with the ball past the half way line and is often out of position when defending. I wish the boy no harm and am even grateful that at the moment we have him at the club. After all we need all the players and especially defenders we can get but he not this player that some have made him out to be. I feel this type of over worship of players is part of the whole problem at carrow road. We are prepared to openly boo a player like Andy Hughes who as we know is not up to the standard required yet Colin who is better but only to a small degree is hailed as some sort of Galáctico by some. Madness. We have a poor team because many of the players are of a poor standard not just poor old Andy and Colin in my opinion is one of them. Average is a fair description of the lad.

[macdougalls perm 0]

I think that his attacking weakness is a confidence problem. I think that if the team start to perform on a more consistent basis you would see the player that I think he has the potential to be. He is too scared of losing the ball or of trying anything other than safe and reserved wing play. As well as inconsistency of the team, the tendency to boo players that make mistakes encourages him to play the safe ball rather than anything exciting and adventurous.

Btw, I think you are over-egging the pudding ridiculously to suggest that he is hero worshipped or that anyone on here has hailed him as ''some sort of Galactico''. Haven''t seen anything like that myself.     

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I am staggered at the amount of praise and adulation Jurgen Colin receives on here from some quarters. In a recent post several had him as one of their 3 favourite players and one even described him as our best defender and a cultured player. He is far from both in my view. He is an adequate fullback at this level and little else. Awful at attacking, never knows what to do with the ball past the half way line and is often out of position when defending. I wish the boy no harm and am even grateful that at the moment we have him at the club. After all we need all the players and especially defenders we can get but he not this player that some have made him out to be. I feel this type of over worship of players is part of the whole problem at carrow road. We are prepared to openly boo a player like Andy Hughes who as we know is not up to the standard required yet Colin who is better but only to a small degree is hailed as some sort of Galáctico by some. Madness. We have a poor team because many of the players are of a poor standard not just poor old Andy and Colin in my opinion is one of them. Average is a fair description of the lad.

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That was me HH who described Colin as our best defender right now. Not our best player, or even in our top four. I did also say he is becoming a cultured player and not that he was a cultured player and definately not a Galáctico.

All opinion I know but as a former player at non-league level, I see some great qualities in him. I see him getting better and better as he settles into the English game and one of our better ''footballers''. Those years learning the foundation to his game at Ajax are now paying off and I think you will see him improve further as the side settles with Grants additions and ideas coming through.

To summarise, I don''t think he is as great as you suggest I think he is but this is all about opinions and particularly where players are concerned, opinion will conflict greatly. We clearly don''t agree on this one but I respect your opinion non the less. Maybe I''m missing something.

[Carrowfortress 0]

Colin is no worse than Ashley Cole in my opinion and look how he''s rated.

 

[Carlos Valderrama 0]

PSV Eindhoven, not AJAX  Sorry, had the urge to correct you there....

Agree with your post though, Colin is improving, I think definately will be a good signing in the long term.  It is sometimes the players that do the

[Rustyboy 2]

Colin is the most one footed player I have ever seen at Carrow Road. He does everything he can to kick it with his right foot (take a look for yourselves at the next game).

Come on Colin, use some of that quality training time each week to practice kicking with your left foot and try overlapping with Croft. It''s what you are paid to do!

Rant over, I am now going to practice writing with my left hand.

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[quote user="HrH"]I am staggered at the amount of praise and adulation Jurgen Colin

receives on here from some quarters. In a recent post several had him

as one of their 3 favourite players and one even described him as our

best defender and a cultured player.[/quote]Your inability to grasp others'' praise for a footballer is understandable.  It is a character trait of most norfolk men that they feel uncomfortable giving praise, and much prefer to complain, whinge and whine at every available opportunity.  Being the sage he was, Nigel Worthington realised this in his Premiership season, and sought to make the majority of Norfolk men truly happy, having realised his mistake in bringing relative success to Carrow Road.  In setting his sights for the Premiership, and stamping his authority on Carrow Road, Peter Grant is yet to understand what entertainment truly means to Norfolk man, and has confused entertainment with ambition, which is starting to manifest itself in the somewhat alarming removal of the old guard.  I am certain that in time Peter will come to understand the true meaning of entertainment in Norfolk, namely 20,000 or so whinging tossers having a good moan that they can''t otherwise have within earshot of the wife.

[BedsCanary 0]

Eddy was better

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[quote] We are prepared to openly boo a player like Andy Hughes who as we know

is not up to the standard required yet Colin who is better but only to

a small degree is hailed as some sort of Galáctico by some. Madness.[/quote]And as for Galactico, he''s not that badly overpaid, is he ?

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PSV Eindhoven, not AJAX  Sorry, had the urge to correct you there....

Agree with your post though, Colin is improving, I think definately will be a good signing in the long term.  It is sometimes the players that do the       ......... ?

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For Christ''s sake finish this post for us jimmy otherwise I won''t be able to relax all day....................

[Canary02 0]

I don''t know about anyone else, but he strikes a chord with me because he''s an honest lad, with more ability on the ball than your average defender, and a lovely touch, and he gives everything every game. His positioning has come on a treat from last season (when it let him down on many an occasion), but he''s obviously worked hard on his game and is still improving. Plus, in terms of consistency he''s better than Drury these days. He''s not the greatest right back we''ve ever had, but he deserves some support as an unsung hero.

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[quote user="jimmy500"]

PSV Eindhoven, not AJAX  Sorry, had the urge to correct you there....

Agree with your post though, Colin is improving, I think definately will be a good signing in the long term.  It is sometimes the players that do the

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Quite right PSV.

I was talking double dutch.

[Shack Attack 0]

I think the reason that Colin is attracting so much praise is down to the fact that he''s improved so obviously since last season. At the end of last season he would have been on most peoples list over players to get rid of, the fact that he''s put in the effort and improved himself as a player means he deserves all the praise he''s getting as far as I''m concerned. His attacking play needs some work as you suggest, but I''d rather have a full back who can defend but is not great at attacking rather than the other way round. Hopefully this aspect of his game will improve as well over time, there''s no reason to suggest it will not.

If Andy Hughes made the same improvement from last seasons performances (whish I appreciate is difficult as he''s hardly played) I imagine he would come in for exactly the same ''praise and adulation''.

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

Extend Colin''s contract now......he is going to have a great season 2007/8 and might leave for too little money.

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[quote user="-.-. .-.. ..- -.-. -.-"][quote user="jimmy500"]

PSV Eindhoven, not AJAX  Sorry, had the urge to correct you there....

Agree with your post though, Colin is improving, I think definately will be a good signing in the long term.  It is sometimes the players that do the       ......... ?

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For Christ''s sake finish this post for us jimmy otherwise I won''t be able to relax all day....................

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Suggestions please? The winner gets a Blankety Blank cheque book and pen.

I''ll go with: It is sometimes the players that do the washing up at Colney

 

[ricardo 8,034]

[quote user="Yellow Rages"][quote user="-.-. .-.. ..- -.-. -.-"][quote user="jimmy500"]

PSV Eindhoven, not AJAX  Sorry, had the urge to correct you there....

Agree with your post though, Colin is improving, I think definately will be a good signing in the long term.  It is sometimes the players that do the       ......... ?

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For Christ''s sake finish this post for us jimmy otherwise I won''t be able to relax all day....................

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Suggestions please? The winner gets a Blankety Blank cheque book and pen.

I''ll go with: It is sometimes the players that do the dishes in Delias, after Sunday linch.

 

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[quote user="BedsCanary"]Eddy was better
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going forward but not such a good defender I think is the full quote Beds  [;)] 

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[quote]sometimes the players that do the       ......... ?[/quote]

Shake and vac and bring the freshness back.

[ricardo 8,034]

Sorry that should be Sunday lunch.

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[quote user="ricardo"][quote user="Yellow Rages"][quote user="-.-. .-.. ..- -.-. -.-"][quote user="jimmy500"]

PSV Eindhoven, not AJAX  Sorry, had the urge to correct you there....

Agree with your post though, Colin is improving, I think definately will be a good signing in the long term.  It is sometimes the players that do the       ......... ?

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For Christ''s sake finish this post for us jimmy otherwise I won''t be able to relax all day....................

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Suggestions please? The winner gets a Blankety Blank cheque book and pen.

I''ll go with: It is sometimes the players that do the dishes in Delias, after Sunday linch.

 

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It is sometimes the players that do the okey cokey and they turn around.......

[Carlos Valderrama 0]

I meant to say that it is sometimes the players that do the simple, ugly things well that win you championships.  From what I have seen of Colin he always does keep it simple, which I think is a good thing.

Anyway thats the post finished, back to that cheque book and pen.  I am voting for the shake and vac post as the best....

[Hairy Canary 754]

Yes you are missing something!

Many people only think full backs play well when they charge in for the tackle and overlap the wide man. Fair enough Colin is not like that but I challenge you to see how many crosses come in from his side of the field compared to Drurys. His style is to stand off and give the winger space because he always knows he can beat him for pace (Adams mentioned on the phone in recently that Colin was the only player on the books who could match Huckerby in a straight race). Hardly ever does the winger get behind him and usually ends up passing the ball backwards. Also his combination play with Croft is really good and they often carve out one twos to create a crossing oportunity for Croft (its not Colins fault Crofty is having a bad spell with his deliveries recently!).

On top of that he is without doubt the most consistent player on the books, putting in a 6 or 7 out of ten every week. If more players were as consistent as Colin we would be in a much better position. Lastly he never gets injured, and thank goodness for that considering his replacement has spent two full years on the treatment table!

As far as weeknesses go his crosses are poor and he should shoot more but as he main job is defending I think thats the least we should be worrying about.

[Stevie Wonder 0]

As is often said regarding foreign players it can take a season or so to adjust to the English game. I thought that there were signs last year that there was a good player in him. We are beginning to see that more this year. I can''t really recall him getting taken to the cleaners by anyone this season. Yes his attacking play is a little lacking but he has still set up at least one goal this year (Etuhu at Southend) and over the last few games this has started to improve with him getting off the odd shot at goal.

Without doubt the most improved player this year - make that the only improved player this year.

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[quote user="Stevie Wonder"]

As is often said regarding foreign players it can take a season or so to adjust to the English game. I thought that there were signs last year that there was a good player in him. We are beginning to see that more this year. I can''t really recall him getting taken to the cleaners by anyone this season. Yes his attacking play is a little lacking but he has still set up at least one goal this year (Etuhu at Southend) and over the last few games this has started to improve with him getting off the odd shot at goal.

Without doubt the most improved player this year - make that the only improved player this year.

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Also it should be noted that when we play the 4-3-3 or aka 4-5-1 the full backs are not required to bomb on and overlap as you would expect with a 4-4-2. My understanding is that Colin would be instructed to be a full back in this formation. You may have noticed that when we play 4-4-2 he does get forward more. What is expected in the 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 is that the wide players (Croft and Earnshaw) do the attacking wide roles soley. What you gain in the centre is what you loose in wide positions. So goes the theory.

[lucky green trainers 0]

colin is an improved player since he came here, but defensively he is not good enough in my view - when under the cosh by teams in our half, he seems to lose positional sense and goes awol for me, allowing attackers to have a free run or all alone with time and space to pick men out in the box.  luckily, the avaerage champs player lacks the skill to deliberately pick out men in the box or put a dangerous ball in - unlike robbie blake for leeds last week, who having go to the byline cut back a peach for the onrunning leeds player to bury in the ole onion sack.  where was colin? out to lunch again.colin v steady eddie?  no contest - thats why derby are up there and we''re down here. i thought david wright who''s gone to ipswich, wasn''t exciting, but he knew enough about defending to look solid in that posi.there''s improvement to come from colin, maybe next year he''ll be the business - i hope so for city''s sake.