KTF Please explain the reasons for keeping NW again??

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

Is it his signings??

His tactics??

His motivational ability??

His fantastic substitutions??

His team selections??

His love of Work Rate over ability??

The way he is happy with 2 nil defeats with no shots ojn target??

His lack of ambition??  January was an average month (1 point and a cup exit)

His Rapport with the fans??

What is it that makes you want him to stay?? What is it that makes him BETTER than all these other managers around??

[Rossi 0]

foghorn,

as said previously it''s the fear of change - you know how old people get all funny about different brands, changes of post office, an unusual looking postman / milkman.

it''s the only possible explanation

[still holding out for new heroes 0]

Quiet isnt it, maybe the boards crashed from all the replys....Dicky Squit where are you...Lets be ''avin you....

[A load of squit 0]

[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]

Is it his signings??

His tactics??

His motivational ability??

His fantastic substitutions??

His team selections??

His love of Work Rate over ability??

The way he is happy with 2 nil defeats with no shots ojn target??

His lack of ambition??  January was an average month (1 point and a cup exit)

His Rapport with the fans??

What is it that makes you want him to stay?? What is it that makes him BETTER than all these other managers around??

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Its because it winds you up so much, I can take solace that you''re entire weekend is ruined.

 

[TwoSheds 0]

Rossi has nearly hit the nail on the head there but fell slightly short of the mark. Its not just old people,its a Norfolk thing from what i can make out..I dare say other counties are the same but without me living in the other counties i can only go by what i see from where i live.You see it all the while with new shops opening & the old boy who runs the local village shop having to close because of a new tescos around the corner.Its simple if you move with the times then you succeed. Example......We had a video shop in the town for many years but the owner only ever had a handfull of dvd''s in stock when they came out. He also never bothered to stock playstation games or sega saturn games & when a ''Outsider'' came to town he exploited the lack of ambition & the fear of change of the video shop & within a few months the video shop was closed! This is such a frequent event around the county for many years. I remember being called a bloody londoner as a teenager when we moved to norfolk. Its not my fault my dad had an idea like many other ''foreigners'' & changes were made however big or small to communitys.Our beloved club has & is continuing to run in the right direction,& it fills me with so much pride when i come around the corner to see our stadium & outer buildings coming along nicely.The failings are so blatantly obvious on the pitch & training area due to our crap manager & staff. CHANGES need to be made & bloody quickly!!!!

WORTHY OUT!

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

come on you guys, we want some reasoned debate from a ktfer??

[Chunky! 0]

There is no reasoned debate, in January I was in the "give worthy time to sort it" camp, and he hasn''t.  He''s had his chance, new manager at the start of the summer, with transfer money available is the way forward.

My only concern is that I can''t see a proven manager available at the moment, so we might end up with an inexperienced manager who needs time to adapt, and in the current climate, will the fans give him a chance?  Or will it be, three months, and the chants start again?

OTBC!

Chunky

[TwoSheds 0]

Could an unproven manager be any worse than worthless?

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="Chunky Chris Plant"]

There is no reasoned debate, in January I was in the "give worthy time to sort it" camp, and he hasn''t.  He''s had his chance, new manager at the start of the summer, with transfer money available is the way forward.

My only concern is that I can''t see a proven manager available at the moment, so we might end up with an inexperienced manager who needs time to adapt, and in the current climate, will the fans give him a chance?  Or will it be, three months, and the chants start again?

OTBC!

Chunky

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I disagree about ''proven managers'' there are plenty of managers around whom have done a good job at this level, above and below.  It is a poor argument to say that Worthy is irreplaceable - he has repeatedly made extremely poor decisions and comes over as being to be blunt ''Not the sharpest Knife in the draw''

Even Glenn Hoddle and Neil Warnock (I am not advocating either) have got a clubs promoted from this division.  Worthy failed in Div 1 before and left a team to get relegated in blackpool.

[Yellow Rider 0]

Why do we need a ''proven'' manager? Everyone has to start their managerial career somewhere after all, yet it is exactly this paranoia of making a mistake that dominates the thinking of the Board. I couldn''t give a damn if a new manager is no better than Worthy, at least the Board would have shown the courage to try and that is all anyone can ask.

Were Boothroyd or Parkinson or Steve Tilson  ''proven'' managers? Er No, No and No again!!!

Unfortunately we have a Board totally lacking in any creative and courageous thinking when it comes to footballing decisions re the management team. Their policy is ''we made our decision'' (more than 5 years ago!!) and we will stick with it come hell or high water.

The only way they will change is if the fans WAKE UP and do something but there is precious little sign of this as too many think that Smith and WynnJones are some kind of Gods.  

[BRAVEHEART 0]

Citizen Journalist Foghorn its none of those which you mentioned. It''s the fact that he''s done it before why people still think he should stay for a little bit longer. I did a post last week on Why The Board Won''t Sack Worthington and yet here we are a week later still talking about it. JUST REMEMBER THIS the board basically think he deserves one more season because of his average record. Worthington is as good any manager in the Championship on his day all managers have their ups and downs and now Worthington is going through his. ALAN PARDEW had his but now look where they are. Look at Neil Warnock he''s had his ups and downs but now look at Sheff Utd. Steve Coppell as well they failed a few times to get promotion but now look at them.

NORWICH FANS TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. And Worthington in the board''s eyes still has until next Christmas or at the end of next season. I personally am prepared to wait and see until next Christmas before i decide whether Worthington should go, it will all depend on how well we start, but until then i will wait and see what happens after all you never know Worthington MIGHT prove you all wrong.

[london Canary 0]

[quote user="TwoSheds"]Could an unproven manager be any worse than worthless?[/quote]

At the minute NO!

[The Walking Man 13]

here''s a scenario, say Worthington goes in the Summer and teh board gets in an experienced manager, say Bruce Rioch (two promotions and took Millwall to second in the premiership) or maybe even Bryan Hamilton (Northern Ireland manager for 4 years) I mean they were so much better for Norwich when they were in charger weren''t they or have you forgotton?

[The Judge 0]

djb - no i certainly haven''t forgotten in fact i actually remember it quite well and i can honestly say that the "football" we are "playing" now is worse than when those 2 were in charge. The main difference between then and now is that we have spend fortunes on rubbish players, where as before we didn''t pay much for them - and who bought those players ?? - no need to answer that one..

My 2 year old son could do a better job than that idiot at the moment - he has made NCFC a national embaressment - just read the sunday papers !! - hopefully Delia & Michael read them too (assuming they pull their heads from the sand for 10mins...)

 

 

[seedyrom 0]

[quote user="djb"]here''s a scenario, say Worthington goes in the Summer and teh board gets in an experienced manager, say Bruce Rioch (two promotions and took Millwall to second in the premiership) or maybe even Bryan Hamilton (Northern Ireland manager for 4 years) I mean they were so much better for Norwich when they were in charger weren''t they or have you forgotton?[/quote]

 

You are forgetting the other factor which Rioch and Hamilton had in common; they were appointed by an infinitely well meaning but dangerously football naiive board of directors who have  ''Nice, honest man who will suit family club'' at the top of their priority list. But I think you have a very valid point there; getting rid of Nigel would only be half the job done; can we honestly trust the board to get the right man in to replace him ? Or will it end up being more of the same ?

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="CANARY BRAVEHEART"]

Citizen Journalist Foghorn its none of those which you mentioned. It''s the fact that he''s done it before why people still think he should stay for a little bit longer. I did a post last week on Why The Board Won''t Sack Worthington and yet here we are a week later still talking about it. JUST REMEMBER THIS the board basically think he deserves one more season because of his average record. Worthington is as good any manager in the Championship on his day all managers have their ups and downs and now Worthington is going through his. ALAN PARDEW had his but now look where they are. Look at Neil Warnock he''s had his ups and downs but now look at Sheff Utd. Steve Coppell as well they failed a few times to get promotion but now look at them.

NORWICH FANS TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. And Worthington in the board''s eyes still has until next Christmas or at the end of next season. I personally am prepared to wait and see until next Christmas before i decide whether Worthington should go, it will all depend on how well we start, but until then i will wait and see what happens after all you never know Worthington MIGHT prove you all wrong.

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Don''t you get a bit worried by his post match reactions, and his friday musings in the press??  His most recent articles show an unbeleivable tactical naivity and a preference for the hoof.  His post match press conferences show a total lack of ambition, anybody satisfied with zero shots on target  and not a shot for 75 minutes against an injury hit preston side is setting their standards far too low.  He only used 2 substitutes at the weekend??  surely 3 players should have got a go considering our season was over?? Perhaps Colin given a run out at right back for 20 minutes??

[huck tastic<IMG src="http:new.pinkun.comforumsimagesline.gif"><BR><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Bryan Hamilton could turn this around...<BR><FONT> 0]

[quote user="djb"]here''s a scenario, say Worthington goes in the Summer and teh board gets in an experienced manager, say Bruce Rioch (two promotions and took Millwall to second in the premiership) or maybe even Bryan Hamilton (Northern Ireland manager for 4 years) I mean they were so much better for Norwich when they were in charger weren''t they or have you forgotton?[/quote]

Rioch didnt get this kind of money to spend and if being slighty better than Uncle Bryan is the best reason for keeping Worthington, then we really are scraping the barrel...

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="djb"]here''s a scenario, say Worthington goes in the Summer and teh board gets in an experienced manager, say Bruce Rioch (two promotions and took Millwall to second in the premiership) or maybe even Bryan Hamilton (Northern Ireland manager for 4 years) I mean they were so much better for Norwich when they were in charger weren''t they or have you forgotton?[/quote]

I would take Bruce Rioch in an instant....  Signed Bergkamp for Arsenal, got Bolton promoted twice...   Thanks...

[John Boubepo 0]

[quote user="djb"]here''s a scenario, say Worthington goes in the Summer and teh board gets in an experienced manager, say Bruce Rioch (two promotions and took Millwall to second in the premiership) or maybe even Bryan Hamilton (Northern Ireland manager for 4 years) I mean they were so much better for Norwich when they were in charger weren''t they or have you forgotton?[/quote]Neither Rioch or Hamilton had the budget Worthy had to throw around and for the record Rioch is a better manager than Worthington

[Jim Smith 2,610]

I would say that rioch is a better manager than Worthington and to be honest if he had had the kind of fund at his disposal that finally enabled Worthy to get us up (and that he has had since) he would have done a far better job. The fact is that Rioch and Hamilton had no money whatsoever to spend and had to make do with assorted bosman ruling signings and freebies.

There are fewer more attractive jobs in the Championship out there than our managers job. We get 25,000 every week, still have quite a decent squad at this level with 2 or three exceptional players (if used right) and an ultra supportive board. We would have lots of applicants and could have our pick of lower division managers. Personally i would go for Tilson from Southend or try and get Boothroyd back from Watford.

 

[Gary Rudland 0]

Their are some many good managers here are some suggestions

Nick Jarvis of Warbury Warriors .......... they beat Norwich 3 - 2 at the weekend!

Tony Blair .............. looking for work in the new year me thinks!!

That Cameron bloke ............ currently in short term employment with the Tory Party

My Mum ......... she knows more about the game than the current manager

and by the way has Sven got a job yet??

Have a great summer ............. come on England ( as Robert Green called into action due to a number of freak accidents which leave England short of goal keepers saves a vital penatly in the final to win the cup ................ back to the land of dreams [8-)]

 

 

[Chunky! 0]

[quote user="Yellow Rider"]

Why do we need a ''proven'' manager? Everyone has to start their managerial career somewhere after all, yet it is exactly this paranoia of making a mistake that dominates the thinking of the Board. I couldn''t give a damn if a new manager is no better than Worthy, at least the Board would have shown the courage to try and that is all anyone can ask.

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I''m not saying we shouldn''t take an unproven manager, my point is that an unproven manager may not get the support needed from fans or club during the time they take to get the team and setup settled.  Whilst they might come in and things click instantly, I feel the chances are more in favour of things taking time to come good.

If we were to take a new manager next season and things didn''t work instantly, how long would they have before the chants, etc started again? 

OTBC!

Chunky

[We need a Manager 0]

We would be better off with no manager than to keep the imbecile we have now , nobody could do a worse job .