Galloway

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

The worst possible result for Labour. Beaten into fourth place in a Labour stronghold by an anti semitic ideologue. Doesn't look good for the future of the UK

[A Load of Squit 5,170]

'for Labour' 🤣🤣

 

[Naturalcynic 631]

Yes, it’ll be interesting, if not rather worrying, to see what happens at the GE in other urban constituencies with large Muslim populations if Galloway puts up candidates there.  

[TheGunnShow 5,940]

People are forgetting that an independent came second (which for me is just as big a story), and that both the Tories and Labour pretty much didn't contest the seat. The Tory candidate was on holiday and the Labour candidate had all support cut off.

Looked like the independent, David Tully, was campaigning hard on local issues and was a local guy who made good.

[Herman 9,777]

A Gaza referendum played upon by a rotten human but clever politician. A shame for Rochdale, they need much better representation. 

[benchwarmer 625]

Labour: "If we'd had a candidate Galloway wouldn't have won".  Starmer nowhere to be seen.  I despair.

Let's nail the lie that only Muslims care about Gaza.  Two-thirds of the UK population (and, remarkably, the US population too) now want an immediately ceasefire.  We're utterly ashamed of our governments allowing Israel to use our weapons to annihilate Gaza.

 

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

2 minutes ago, benchwarmer said:

Labour: "If we'd had a candidate Galloway wouldn't have won".  Starmer nowhere to be seen.  I despair.

Let's nail the lie that only Muslims care about Gaza.  Two-thirds of the UK population (and, remarkably, the US population too) now want an immediately ceasefire.  We're utterly ashamed of our governments allowing Israel to use our weapons to annihilate Gaza.

 

A majority of the population want the death penalty restored.  We need politicians to do the right thing rather than the popular thing. 

[Naturalcynic 631]

4 minutes ago, benchwarmer said:

Labour: "If we'd had a candidate Galloway wouldn't have won".  Starmer nowhere to be seen.  I despair.

Let's nail the lie that only Muslims care about Gaza.  Two-thirds of the UK population (and, remarkably, the US population too) now want an immediately ceasefire.  We're utterly ashamed of our governments allowing Israel to use our weapons to annihilate Gaza.

 

What was the sampling for that two-thirds?  No-one asked me.  In fact, I never get asked my opinion for surveys of this type.  By the way, I note that Hamas rejected Biden’s recent attempts at securing a ceasefire.

[horsefly 4,301]

53 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

The worst possible result for Labour. Beaten into fourth place in a Labour stronghold by an anti semitic ideologue. Doesn't look good for the future of the UK

Oh dear! There was NO Labour candidate in Rochdale. Thus it's a bloody amazing result for them to come 4th, two places above Reform UK in an election they didn't compete. 

[Sheva 123]

It’s becoming very clear where we’re heading to now and it’s not nice.

Time to put aside minor political differences and look at the bigger picture.

 

[horsefly 4,301]

16 minutes ago, Herman said:

A Gaza referendum played upon by a rotten human but clever politician. A shame for Rochdale, they need much better representation. 

Indeed! Rochdale has been ravaged by 14-years of corrupt and incompetent Tory rule. So who does their new MP identify as his only target, Kier Starmer. Galloway shamefully used the Rochdale electorate to continue his long personal vendetta against the Labour Party who kicked his rotten extremist **** out of the party.

Ironically there is a genuine opportunity here for the Labour Party to use this to their advantage. Every time extremist drivel pours out of Galloway's mouth, Labour will be able to say, "That's exactly why we threw odious extremist bigots like him out of the party. The Labour Party under Starmer is a changed party, it has NO place for hate-mongering divisive people like him". 

[Naturalcynic 631]

5 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Indeed! Rochdale has been ravaged by 14-years of corrupt and incompetent Tory rule. So who does their new MP identify as his only target, Kier Starmer. Galloway shamefully used the Rochdale electorate to continue his long personal vendetta against the Labour Party who kicked his rotten extremist **** out of the party.

Ironically there is a genuine opportunity here for the Labour Party to use this to their advantage. Every time extremist drivel pours out of Galloway's mouth, Labour will be able to say, "That's exactly why we threw odious extremist bigots like him out of the party. The Labour Party under Starmer is a changed party, it has NO place for hate-mongering divisive people like him". 

So why did he get elected?  Does he attract the odious extremist bigot vote?

Edited March 1 by Naturalcynic

[Barbe bleu 827]

48 minutes ago, Herman said:

A Gaza referendum played upon by a rotten human but clever politician. A shame for Rochdale, they need much better representation. 

It's only going to be for a few months. Realistically an established MP can only do so much across an entire parliamentary career, a new MP is really not going to change much other than the sign on the door in whatever time there is before election purdah starts

There will be some labour party members that claim that coming fourth in a race you didnt start is a great result but the only people they will be fooling is themselves. 

Whether this is a bad result for SKS and his defensive tory-but-competant-tory postioning might depend on what happens next.   He has an exposed left flank and could well lose heavily if some form of Galloway-corbynista party could emerge. Or maybe he'll get the message that not being the Conservatives isn't enough.

Edited March 1 by Barbe bleu

[horsefly 4,301]

13 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said:

So why did he get elected?  Does he attract the odious extremist bigot vote?

There was no Labour candidate. Had there been, he would have not been elected. 

[TheGunnShow 5,940]

1 minute ago, Barbe bleu said:

It's only going to be for a few months. Realistically an established MP can only do so much across an entire parliamentary career, a new MP is really not going to change much other than the sign on the door in whatever time there is before election purdah starts

There will be some labour party members that claim that coming fourth in a race you didnt start is a great result but the only people they will be fooling is themselves. 

Whether this is a bad result for SKS and his defensive tory-but-competant-tory postioning might depend on what happens next.   He has an exposed left flank and could well lose heavily if some form of Galloway-corbynista party could emerge. Or maybe he'll get the message that not being the Conservatives isn't enough.

Agree in essence re. the bit in bold but then you can see what'll happen if he makes much of a move that way, namely most of the media will basically play the "socialist" line, if they don't already.

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

25 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Oh dear! There was NO Labour candidate in Rochdale. Thus it's a bloody amazing result for them to come 4th, two places above Reform UK in an election they didn't compete. 

There most certainly was a Labour candidate but he was disowned by the party for having the same views as Galloway.  What is more alarming is that there is a large slice of the electorate who are prepared to vote for candidates like these. A demographic that is growing faster than any other so it is not la problem that is going away. Labour created this problem thinking they were gaining a new cohort of Labour voters. The Tories stupidly did nothing about it. And now we have extremists winning seats in Parlialment with Galloway threatening to run 50 candidates at the next election

[horsefly 4,301]

3 minutes ago, Barbe bleu said:

It's only going to be for a few months. Realistically an established MP can only do so much across and entire parliamentary career, a new MP is really not going to change much other than the sign on the door in whatever time there is before election purdah starts

There will be some labour party members that claim that coming fourth in a race you didnt start is a great result but the only people they will be fooling is themselves.  Whether this is a bad result for SKS and his defensive tory-but-competant-tory  messaging depends on what happens next.   He has an exposed left flank and could well lose heavily if some form of Galloway-corbynista party could emerge. Or maybe he'll get the message that not being the Conservatives isn't enough.

The idea that there is any enthusiasm for a Corbynista style new political party is thoroughly disabused by the last general election result. This was a by-election in which Galloway focussed entirely upon galvanising Muslim discontent at what is happening in Gaza. The idea that the next general election will be fought and won on that single issue is for the birds. Galloway's "party" will not gain a single seat, nor take any significant Labour votes when people will be voting for what government they want in control of the country for the next 5-years.

[Naturalcynic 631]

2 minutes ago, horsefly said:

The idea that there is any enthusiasm for a Corbynista style new political party is thoroughly disabused by the last general election result. This was a by-election in which Galloway focussed entirely upon galvanising Muslim discontent at what is happening in Gaza. The idea that the next general election will be fought and won on that single issue is for the birds. Galloway's "party" will not gain a single seat, nor take any significant Labour votes when people will be voting for what government they want in control of the country for the next 5-years.

Hope you’re right.

[Nik Vawn 129]

I suspect the SNP will see a glimmer of hope here and exploit their more pro Palestine position to the potential disadvantage of Scottish Labour. Long way to go though.

[horsefly 4,301]

7 minutes ago, Nik Vawn said:

I suspect the SNP will see a glimmer of hope here and exploit their more pro Palestine position to the potential disadvantage of Scottish Labour. Long way to go though.

It was the only reason for the SNPs very carefully worded amendment on Gaza. It was intended to divide Labour, not assist the Palestinians in Gaza. That's why they were so angry when Hoyle allowed Labour's more inclusive amendment to proceed.

[A Load of Squit 5,170]

57 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said:

So why did he get elected?  Does he attract the odious extremist bigot vote?

Don't forget he promised a new Primark for Rochdale.

The extremist retail vote should not be ignored.

[Nik Vawn 129]

38 minutes ago, horsefly said:

It was the only reason for the SNPs very carefully worded amendment on Gaza. It was intended to divide Labour, not assist the Palestinians in Gaza. That's why they were so angry when Hoyle allowed Labour's more inclusive amendment to proceed.

Of course

[Yellow Fever 3,792]

The only thing I read into this is the Tories were down 20% odd. In keeping with their ongoing collapse.

Galloway is a protest vote figure - same way as some UKIP ones were previously.

His election will keep the pressure on all the political parties to be more assertive vs Gaza (let alone the events with the aid lorries). Beyond that of little consequence.  

[cambridgeshire canary 6,732]

Yes, Labour being 30 points ahead of the Tories is awful. Might as well shut the entire party down!

[TheRock 171]

The results are quite astounding

When was the last time that a small party and an Independent finished 1st and 2nd in a FPTP election? Answers on a postcard

Edited March 1 by TheRock

[Naturalcynic 631]

8 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

Yes, Labour being 30 points ahead of the Tories is awful. Might as well shut the entire party down!

The Conservatives are a disaster, and that’s coming from someone who usually votes for them.  After 14 years it’s hard to think of anything that’s not deteriorated on their watch, let alone improved.  Unless they totally reinvent themselves they’re doomed to sitting on the opposition benches for at least a decade, unless Labour make even more of a pig’s ear of things.  The only positive they might take from last night is that Reform came nowhere.  In fact making Simon Danczuk Reform’s candidate must call into question Tice’s decision-making.  

[cambridgeshire canary 6,732]

 

[Naturalcynic 631]

17 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

 

Blimey, based on what’s in his letter to non-Muslim households I could almost vote for him!

[Herman 9,777]

53 minutes ago, TheRock said:

The results are quite astounding

When was the last time that a small party and an Independent finished 1st and 2nd in a FPTP election? Answers on a postcard

I sent my answer to John Curtice. He said he already effing knew and stop wasting his effing time. Grumpy old sod. 

[BurwellCanary 216]

33 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

 

Just seen goal no 5 to the non Muslim voter. George should expect a copyright infringement lawsuit from Trump's team anytime soon