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Edited January 29 by cambridgeshire canary

[Paul101 191]

who cares what some nobody writes on twitter

[It's Character Forming 1,204]

Is Rowe an academy player ?

[cambridgeshire canary 7,799]

6 minutes ago, Paul101 said:

who cares what some nobody writes on twitter

You could say the say about this forum so why are you here?

[Satriales 994]

4 minutes ago, It's Character Forming said:

Is Rowe an academy player ?

Yeah but Dean Smith gave him his debut, not Wagner.

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12 minutes ago, Satriales said:

Yeah but Dean Smith gave him his debut, not Wagner.

Oh fair enough, careful wording by the twitter guy then as this has clearly been his breakthrough season, but there you go.

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12 minutes ago, It's Character Forming said:

Oh fair enough, careful wording by the twitter guy then as this has clearly been his breakthrough season, but there you go.

Yeah. I've seen that guy on twitter a few times before, he's always mouthing off some kind of nonsense.

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49 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

You could say the say about this forum so why are you here?

thats different I just love the interaction with people like you 🙂

the bond forms a special place in my heart

 

[KeiranShikari 1,524]

Obviously some of it was on Webber but yeah, Wagner is a **** manager.

[Yobocop 1,444]

Don’t agree with a lot of what he says as a lot of it is inflammatory

For instance Mumba may have been league one POTS but hasn’t pulled up any trees this season. Tzolis has proved time and time again he doesn’t want to be here or can’t adapt to the English game. 

all mute points to slate the club although I very occasionally agree with him - got a feeling he’s related to someone high up in a supporter group which means he thinks his opinion counts more than others, may be wrong  

[RobJames 922]

Daniel Emery ?

Seems more like ****, in fact....

[S_81 1,102]

We can do a lot better than Wagner. I really hope he’s gone in the summer. But if it’s the case that he had little to no input into last summer’s transfer business then he gets mitigation. Injuries also give him mitigation. But if Wagnerball ever was actually a positive style of play it is no longer. It’s about being tough to beat now. A strategy that he implemented to largely save his own skin. Until games are totally meaningless, he’s unlikely to blood any young players. 

[RobJames 922]

So, by your own words, 'blooding a young player' carries a risk. A risk that our manager is not prepared to take until it is impossible to reach the play offs.

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45 minutes ago, Yobocop said:

Don’t agree with a lot of what he says as a lot of it is inflammatory

For instance Mumba may have been league one POTS but hasn’t pulled up any trees this season. Tzolis has proved time and time again he doesn’t want to be here or can’t adapt to the English game. 

all mute points to slate the club although I very occasionally agree with him - got a feeling he’s related to someone high up in a supporter group which means he thinks his opinion counts more than others, may be wrong  

It’s all very one-sided and extremely carefully worded with a clear answer for most points - it just depends where you’re coming from…clearly **** Emery is very Anti-Wagner.  I’m not but nor am I particularly’pro’ - I’d not be overly bothered if he left for the ‘right’ replacement.

Kellen Fisher, for example, has played several times and was brought in for the academy, but not technically an ‘academy player’ as he got fast tracked…by Wagner.

Mumba is also a good case in point - I don’t think anyone particularly wanted him to go but he did 100% want the move. And wtaf has being L1 young player of the season got to do with anything when we aren’t in L1?

Tzolis meanwhile hasn’t settled, and is a now in the German second division, a lower level than the Championship, so making another largely misleading point (as is ‘shedloads’ of goals - how many is a ‘shed’?) - and why is that on Wagner when we signed the guy under Farke/Webber?

Gibbs is another -  it’s not uncommon for a player to burst through and then stutter a bit in their progression (Todd did it, Mumba seems to be doing it). Progression as a footballer isn’t always linear.  We clearly hope he comes good.

Anyone can cherry pick “facts” to suit an argument.  Surely the biggest is that we’ve not been doing brilliantly - so really I don’t think this guy quite needed to “cheat” with them as he’s done.  We all know we have too old a squad (weird when you consider previous years), but why is 29 suddenly some yardstick? -  because it fits the narrative -  And why blame Wagner when Webber was very obviously the transfer guy.

Edited January 29 by Branston Pickle

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1 minute ago, RobJames said:

So, by your own words, 'blooding a young player' carries a risk. A risk that our manager is not prepared to take until it is impossible to reach the play offs.

It’s a risk, yes. Can also bring reward though. As long as the player is up to it. All about the right occasion and the right player. 

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Which is why academy players are only stepped up to the first team when the coaching staff say they are up to it. Otherwise, why have Kamara, Tompkinson, Springett, Hills etc (who are ahead in their development) sent out on loan rather than be given a place on the first team bench, so as to gain 'experience ................or so we are told 🤣

 

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3 minutes ago, RobJames said:

Which is why academy players are only stepped up to the first team when the coaching staff say they are up to it. Otherwise, why have Kamara, Tompkinson, Springett, Hills etc (who are ahead in their development) sent out on loan rather than be given a place on the first team bench, so as to gain 'experience ................or so we are told 🤣

 

Yeah I don’t disagree with it. They’ll be the judge of whether they’re ready or not. Springett certainly didn’t look to be. Two GKs on the bench though does seem a waste of a match day experience though if nothing else. May as well spread the place round if they won’t come on. 

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3 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

 

I couldn't agree more. 

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I don't necessarily agree with the tone but I can emphasise with a few of the points raised.

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2 hours ago, Branston Pickle said:

It’s all very one-sided and extremely carefully worded with a clear answer for most points - it just depends where you’re coming from…clearly **** Emery is very Anti-Wagner.  I’m not but nor am I particularly’pro’ - I’d not be overly bothered if he left for the ‘right’ replacement.

Kellen Fisher, for example, has played several times and was brought in for the academy, but not technically an ‘academy player’ as he got fast tracked…by Wagner.

Mumba is also a good case in point - I don’t think anyone particularly wanted him to go but he did 100% want the move. And wtaf has being L1 young player of the season got to do with anything when we aren’t in L1?

Tzolis meanwhile hasn’t settled, and is a now in the German second division, a lower level than the Championship, so making another largely misleading point (as is ‘shedloads’ of goals - how many is a ‘shed’?) - and why is that on Wagner when we signed the guy under Farke/Webber?

Gibbs is another -  it’s not uncommon for a player to burst through and then stutter a bit in their progression (Todd did it, Mumba seems to be doing it). Progression as a footballer isn’t always linear.  We clearly hope he comes good.

Anyone can cherry pick “facts” to suit an argument.  Surely the biggest is that we’ve not been doing brilliantly - so really I don’t think this guy quite needed to “cheat” with them as he’s done.  We all know we have too old a squad (weird when you consider previous years), but why is 29 suddenly some yardstick? -  because it fits the narrative -  And why blame Wagner when Webber was very obviously the transfer guy.

I had a quick look at Tzolis' record this season; 9 goals from 16, so fairly tidy. However, I did watch him briefly over the weekend as Bundesliga 2 game was broadcast on YouTube. He looked the same as always; slightly overweight, deceptively slow and not a lot of tracking back!

I think Sainz is better and has much more fire in his belly.

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This blind admiration for the club in contrast to the blatant mismanagement at the top, it’s pathetic. The people indulging in it are pathetic.

[Branston Pickle 4,150]

12 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

I had a quick look at Tzolis' record this season; 9 goals from 16, so fairly tidy. However, I did watch him briefly over the weekend as Bundesliga 2 game was broadcast on YouTube. He looked the same as always; slightly overweight, deceptively slow and not a lot of tracking back!

I think Sainz is better and has much more fire in his belly.

Definitely - for all the oldies we got in, Sainz does appear to have been a good find (as does Fisher).

Tzolis didn’t work out and his future isn’t with us, but that was pretty much all before Wagner’s watch - it’s harsh to use it as a stick to beat him with when there are other legitimate ones.

Edited January 29 by Branston Pickle