Anyone Caught Knapping?

[Big Vince 318]

3 hours ago, Ulfotto said:

Chase lied about selling players. I actually quite like the fact Webber was open and honest about what to expect. Sets expectations. 

What about Delia then? Everyone knows the club is set up to sell at the earliest opportunity (the boy Aarons and the boy Andrew were openly touted at the start of the last window) yet Delia still tries to tell fans that the players wanted these moves. Buendia was the same. You know, it is a really good thing that the boy Idah is so **** because if he was any good Delia would be flogging him for £40 million at the earliest opportunity whilst at the same time using the media to peddle a false narrative about the player wanting the transfer.

The deceit of the current regime knows no bounds.

Edited October 11, 2023 by Big Vince

[Midlands Yellow 3,994]

3 minutes ago, Big Vince said:

What about Delia then? Everyone knows the club is set up to sell at the earliest opportunity (the boy Aarons and the boy Andrew were openly touted at the start of the last window) yet Delia still tries to tell fans that the players wanted these moves. Buendia was the same. You know, it is a really good thing that the boy Idah is so **** because if he was any good Delia would be flogging him for £40 million at the earliest opportunity whilst at the same time using the media to peddle a false narrative about the player wanting the transfer.

Have to agree Vince, why does this regime get the easiest ride ever. 

[Ulfotto 635]

16 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

Have to agree Vince, why does this regime get the easiest ride ever. 

Pre Webber I agree with you but since Webber it’s been communicated much better (Buendia apart) what the model is and what to expect. 

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,024]

5 hours ago, Midlands Yellow said:

Chase also had to balance the books with no Sky money and attendances of under 15,000 most weeks. 

Not sure that is entirely true, average attendances fluctuated under Chase, in the early years it was around 18,500, towards the end of his tenure it was 15,000. It is true regarding TV money, however the average wage for a First Division player in 1986 was £24K per year!!, even by the start of the Premier League it was only £118K per year, so his wage bill would have been significantly lower than it is now........

[Midlands Yellow 3,994]

15 minutes ago, Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB said:

Not sure that is entirely true, average attendances fluctuated under Chase, in the early years it was around 18,500, towards the end of his tenure it was 15,000. It is true regarding TV money, however the average wage for a First Division player in 1986 was £24K per year!!, even by the start of the Premier League it was only £118K per year, so his wage bill would have been significantly lower than it is now........

Can you show the average wage in 86 was £2k a week in the top flight please. 

[nutty nigel 7,537]

So the auntie and nephew nepotism days will soon be done. I’m reading to be replaced by the much more acceptable father & son nepotism. Much more manly and fitting for a successful football club. Any one know the politics involved here?Let’s hope they’re not socialists. Perhaps they’ll be the our Wisconsin Trumpists and little old Norwich City will make America great again.

Exciting times ahead for sure.

O say you can see by the dawn’s early light…

 

Edited October 11, 2023 by nutty nigel
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[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,024]

4 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

Can you show the average wage in 86 was £2k a week in the top flight please. 

https://www.sportingintelligence.com/2011/10/30/revealed-official-english-football-wage-figures-for-the-past-25-years-301002/

[chicken 2,627]

9 hours ago, Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB said:

Has it ever been any different Vince?. Even your favourite Big Bad Bob let Chris Sutton go despite saying it would not happen, there is even a photo to prove how unhappy the boy Chris was at the time.........

Arguably, Robert Chase made his name in doing just that... it fell apart when it didn't work and he had invested player sales money in land that wouldn't turn a profit for 20yrs and essentially on projects his own business would benefit from. Had his luck been a bit different, the ground might have been moved and we may have had a longer 90's stint in the premier league and no one would have worried about the land... fate had it differently.

Though I do wish Vince would find another record to play. Because it's awfully broken, repetitive and tends to only play when there isn't victories on the pitch to shy him away from here.

[Big Vince 318]

9 hours ago, chicken said:

Arguably, Robert Chase made his name in doing just that... it fell apart when it didn't work and he had invested player sales money in land that wouldn't turn a profit for 20yrs and essentially on projects his own business would benefit from. Had his luck been a bit different, the ground might have been moved and we may have had a longer 90's stint in the premier league and no one would have worried about the land... fate had it differently.

Though I do wish Vince would find another record to play. Because it's awfully broken, repetitive and tends to only play when there isn't victories on the pitch to shy him away from here.

The record gets repeated over and over because the club has failed to match Chase's performance on the pitch. Nine successive seasons in the top flight. Southampton, Stoke, Leicester, Palace have all had similarly long stays followed now by Brighton. So what is wrong here?

The only reason Norwich have had a sustained run of victories in the Championship in the last few years is because the club got extremely lucky with all those Pukki goals on a free transfer. Before Pukki started scoring everyone agreed Norwich weren't ready for the EPL. Now he's gone, we can see the fundamentals haven't changed.

[A Load of Squit 5,170]

13 hours ago, Big Vince said:

Don't be daft. That only happened right at the end of his tenure and wasn't commonplace for the other 9 years.

He had period in the cosy first division years but as soon as the cut throat Premier League got established he crumbled.

[essex canary 496]

10 hours ago, chicken said:

Arguably, Robert Chase made his name in doing just that... it fell apart when it didn't work and he had invested player sales money in land that wouldn't turn a profit for 20yrs and essentially on projects his own business would benefit from. Had his luck been a bit different, the ground might have been moved and we may have had a longer 90's stint in the premier league and no one would have worried about the land... fate had it differently.

Though I do wish Vince would find another record to play. Because it's awfully broken, repetitive and tends to only play when there isn't victories on the pitch to shy him away from here.

You need to be Chancellor of the Exchequer.

[essex canary 496]

17 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

He had period in the cosy first division years but as soon as the cut throat Premier League got established he crumbled.

Wasn't that the season we finished third and the only one in which we qualified for Europe?

[essex canary 496]

14 hours ago, NewNestCarrow said:

Fixed it

What do I like? The idea of we are all in this together as exemplified 20 or so years ago by the likes of Andy Cullen and Roger Munby.

Sadly lacking at present on a variety of issues.

[hogesar 9,676]

14 hours ago, Big Vince said:

What about Delia then? Everyone knows the club is set up to sell at the earliest opportunity (the boy Aarons and the boy Andrew were openly touted at the start of the last window) yet Delia still tries to tell fans that the players wanted these moves. Buendia was the same. You know, it is a really good thing that the boy Idah is so **** because if he was any good Delia would be flogging him for £40 million at the earliest opportunity whilst at the same time using the media to peddle a false narrative about the player wanting the transfer.

The deceit of the current regime knows no bounds.

This summer was far from the earliest opportunity we had to sell Aarons, and far from the peak time to sell him either. We took losses on his value to keep him at the football club.

13 hours ago, Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB said:

https://www.sportingintelligence.com/2011/10/30/revealed-official-english-football-wage-figures-for-the-past-25-years-301002/

Yes, Chase was in an era where he wasn't at anything even remotely close to the financial disadvantage or disparity we currently find, yet he still flogged all our good players. And we could compete in the top flight wage wise. We can't even begin to now.

[Midlands Yellow 3,994]

23 minutes ago, hogesar said:

This summer was far from the earliest opportunity we had to sell Aarons, and far from the peak time to sell him either. We took losses on his value to keep him at the football club.

Yes, Chase was in an era where he wasn't at anything even remotely close to the financial disadvantage or disparity we currently find, yet he still flogged all our good players. And we could compete in the top flight wage wise. We can't even begin to now.

Let’s not forget two new stands were built during Bobs time in charge though for more balance. 

[Segura 84]

Chase would regularly contact other Chairmen offering them players, he lied unnecessarily over Sutton's future and spent ridiculously entertaining 'guests' during the UEFA cup run.

I could go on but I would say he was even more of an aggressive seller than the current owners. He was reckless with finances and a constant PR disaster.

Yes the current owners have failed to establish us in the Prem, but Chase was responsible for wasting an even bigger opportunity to keep us at the top table.

 

[A Load of Squit 5,170]

57 minutes ago, essex canary said:

Wasn't that the season we finished third and the only one in which we qualified for Europe?

No, we qualified on more than one occasion but there was a ban on English clubs.

And I did say 'established', the first season of the PL wasn't representative of what came after.

 

[komakino 272]

50 minutes ago, hogesar said:

This summer was far from the earliest opportunity we had to sell Aarons, and far from the peak time to sell him either. We took losses on his value to keep him at the football club.

 

The only reason Max was here for as long as he was, was because there were no suitable offers for him after relegation despite the club actively trying to sell him. Ditto Todd. The club thought they would be easy sales and were most bemused that wasn't the case. 

 

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,024]

28 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

Let’s not forget two new stands were built during Bobs time in charge though for more balance. 

I think your memory is also awry regarding this statement, the River End was rebuilt in 1979/80, before Bob was Chairman, the main stand suffered a catastrophic fire in 1984, before Bob was Chairman, so the Barclay stand rebuild was down to Bob driven by the Taylor Report that recommended all stadia in the top two tiers of English football should be all seater by 1994...........

[Midlands Yellow 3,994]

8 minutes ago, Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB said:

I think your memory is also awry regarding this statement, the River End was rebuilt in 1979/80, before Bob was Chairman, the main stand suffered a catastrophic fire in 1984, before Bob was Chairman, so the Barclay stand rebuild was down to Bob driven by the Taylor Report that recommended all stadia in the top two tiers of English football should be all seater by 1994...........

Barclay and Main Stand? 

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,024]

12 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

Barclay and Main Stand? 

No, just the Barclay, the Main Stand burnt down in 1984, Bob became Chairman in 1985............

[Midlands Yellow 3,994]

5 minutes ago, Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB said:

No, just the Barclay, the Main Stand burnt down in 1984, Bob became Chairman in 1985............

New Main Stand went up in 86, so yes! 

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,024]

17 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

New Main Stand went up in 86, so yes! 

Definitely no, it burnt down in 1984, it was completed under his tenure, but he certainly was not responsible for the stand being redeveloped............

[Robert N. LiM 4,374]

Wasn't controversy about the building of the new main stand what led to Chase replacing Arthur South as chairman?

[Midlands Yellow 3,994]

10 minutes ago, Robert N. LiM said:

Wasn't controversy about the building of the new main stand what led to Chase replacing Arthur South as chairman?

Exactly, there was time under South’s tenure to get it done but it never happened. 

[hogesar 9,676]

1 hour ago, Segura said:

Chase would regularly contact other Chairmen offering them players, he lied unnecessarily over Sutton's future and spent ridiculously entertaining 'guests' during the UEFA cup run.

I could go on but I would say he was even more of an aggressive seller than the current owners. He was reckless with finances and a constant PR disaster.

Yes the current owners have failed to establish us in the Prem, but Chase was responsible for wasting an even bigger opportunity to keep us at the top table.

 

Thanks for the above. Sounds like some inconvenient facts that might get ignored on this thread though 🙂

[Midlands Yellow 3,994]

2 hours ago, Segura said:

Chase would regularly contact other Chairmen offering them players, he lied unnecessarily over Sutton's future and spent ridiculously entertaining 'guests' during the UEFA cup run.

I could go on but I would say he was even more of an aggressive seller than the current owners. He was reckless with finances and a constant PR disaster.

Yes the current owners have failed to establish us in the Prem, but Chase was responsible for wasting an even bigger opportunity to keep us at the top table.

 

At least he never grabbed a mic on the pitch to rouse up the fans at home or gave a canned up interview at Portman Road. Two Semi Finals in the cup, 3 top 5 finishes in the top flight and a run in Europe wasn’t such a bad period all round. 

Big Bob was a bull****ter at times no doubt but our current custodians have had it easy in comparison. 
 

[shefcanary 2,409]

1 hour ago, Robert N. LiM said:

Wasn't controversy about the building of the new main stand what led to Chase replacing Arthur South as chairman?

I was going to say that, but thought my memory may have been playing tricks on me. That is however my recall - lack of ambishun, jobs for the boys.

[essex canary 496]

46 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

At least he never grabbed a mic on the pitch to rouse up the fans at home or gave a canned up interview at Portman Road. Two Semi Finals in the cup, 3 top 5 finishes in the top flight and a run in Europe wasn’t such a bad period all round. 

Big Bob was a bull****ter at times no doubt but our current custodians have had it easy in comparison. 
 

I guess he never gave a Times interview claiming to feel sorry for the fans then did nothing about it for 7 years either?

[NewNestCarrow 191]

29 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

At least he never grabbed a mic on the pitch to rouse up the fans at home or gave a canned up interview at Portman Road. Two Semi Finals in the cup, 3 top 5 finishes in the top flight and a run in Europe wasn’t such a bad period all round. 

Big Bob was a bull****ter at times no doubt but our current custodians have had it easy in comparison. 
 

Here are a few reasons why I rank D&M far above the Fat Controller:

Outside their initial investment D&M have given plenty of cash to NCFC (via donations & conversion of loans). Chase never put another penny into the club.

D&M have never taken a salary from NCFC. Chase paid himself for "Technical Services", as well drawing an emolument as Director.

D&M's exit strategy - as far as we can tell - is based around them turning down the opportunity to massively enrich themselves. In his last year as Director (1996) Chase pocketed around 9% of the club's entire payroll [£83,670 emolument plus  £137k "compensation for loss of office"] I am going to take a fair guess that the price he extracted from Watling for those 47,000-odd shares was higher than what he initially paid.