Pyro Pete 1,920 Posted July 25, 2023 Wildfires in Palermo causing the airport to close and residential areas to be evacuated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,221 Posted July 25, 2023 42 minutes ago, Hook's-Walk-Canary said: Aye... Probably fear of being burned to death in a wildfire exacerbated by climate change is on thier minds more than worrying that a journalist travelled to report on his brief. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
littleyellowbirdie 2,595 Posted July 25, 2023 17 hours ago, Virtual reality said: Absolutely. But fires set deliberately shouldn’t be used to push an agenda, we just need honest debate and facts not propaganda and fear pushing What proportion of fires are set deliberately or happen accidentally is academic. The bottom line is that if conditions are so dry that wildfire can get purchase, then you have a problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Virtual reality 716 Posted July 25, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, littleyellowbirdie said: What proportion of fires are set deliberately or happen accidentally is academic. The bottom line is that if conditions are so dry that wildfire can get purchase, then you have a problem. The conditions would be dry in Greece in late July every year. The fact is we wouldn’t be having this conversation if it wasn’t for the actions of alleged arsonists. Quite astonishing that people are more taken by this aspect than the apparent fact that a very serious crime has taken place. Weird world… Edited July 25, 2023 by Virtual reality Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,825 Posted July 25, 2023 1 hour ago, A Load of Squit said: Probably fear of being burned to death in a wildfire exacerbated by climate change is on thier minds more than worrying that a journalist travelled to report on his brief. Does Jools know about Dan Wooton? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,221 Posted July 25, 2023 11 minutes ago, Herman said: Does Jools know about Dan Wooton? He's had an email from Dan's close pal Martin Branning assuring him that there's nothing in it. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Worthy Nigelton 1,066 Posted July 25, 2023 On 24/07/2023 at 10:26, Virtual reality said: https://hellas.postsen.com/local/435722/Fire-in-Corfu-Arson-denounces-the-mayor-–-Ash-over-20000-acres.html Monbiot deals with this 'its arson' stuff in a recent Twitter thread. It's not arson and to believe it is is exactly what fossil fuel companies want you to believe. This will happen nearly every year from now until we all die... but of course, it will always be arson to people like you. Why weren't these arsonists setting fire to everything in decades past? The world is truly ****** and there is nothing we can do about it. I dread to think where we'll be in 10 years time, especially with all of the made up arsonists that will be around then (and those who keep deliberately flooding everywhere too - cant forget those pesky blighters). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Worthy Nigelton 1,066 Posted July 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Pyro Pete said: Wildfires in Palermo causing the airport to close and residential areas to be evacuated. Bloody arsonists. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,221 Posted July 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Worthy Nigelton said: Bloody arsonists. It's Sicily, probably the arsonist branch of the Mafia. They made them an offer they couldn't extinguish. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
littleyellowbirdie 2,595 Posted July 25, 2023 41 minutes ago, Virtual reality said: The conditions would be dry in Greece in late July every year. The fact is we wouldn’t be having this conversation if it wasn’t for the actions of alleged arsonists. Quite astonishing that people are more taken by this aspect than the apparent fact that a very serious crime has taken place. Weird world… So why all the arson this year and not every other year then? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MooreMarriot 311 Posted July 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Hook's-Walk-Canary said: Aye... Neil Oliver used to make good archaeology programmes for the BBC but now he has gone completely bonkers. The temperatures being recorded in Greece are NOT land temperatures. Proof that Oliver has lost his marbles : https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/watch-neil-oliver-gets-spectacularly-owned-by-a-real-doctor-on-gb-news-352770/ https://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/1794395/Carol-Vorderman-gb-news-twitter-weather-woke Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Virtual reality 716 Posted July 25, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Worthy Nigelton said: Bloody arsonists. Yeah its not as if there is a history of this in Sicily is there…. https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/italy-arrests-two-sicilian-sheep-farmers-lighting-wildfires-2021-08-14/ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/sicily-firefighters-start-fires-paid-put-out-volunteers-italy-heatwave-arson-detained-ragusa-district-a7881046.html https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/08/15/arsonists-accused-of-starting-wildfires-across-sicily-and-southern-italy/ And even in the U.K. last year on our hottest day recorded https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1643209/wildfires-UK-arson-police-record-breaking-temperatures-hottest-day Edited July 25, 2023 by Virtual reality Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,834 Posted July 25, 2023 This is the real climate concern. We'd be like Hudson bay. No nice maritime warming . https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,825 Posted July 25, 2023 2 hours ago, MooreMarriot said: Neil Oliver used to make good archaeology programmes for the BBC but now he has gone completely bonkers. The temperatures being recorded in Greece are NOT land temperatures. Proof that Oliver has lost his marbles : https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/watch-neil-oliver-gets-spectacularly-owned-by-a-real-doctor-on-gb-news-352770/ https://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/1794395/Carol-Vorderman-gb-news-twitter-weather-woke He found a niche and a fan base during covid and there's no way he's giving that up. Sad waste of a talent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barbe bleu 832 Posted July 25, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, MooreMarriot said: Neil Oliver used to make good archaeology programmes for the BBC but now he has gone completely bonkers. The temperatures being recorded in Greece are NOT land temperatures. It doesn't help that the press isn't saying which temperatures measurement they are using. I have pasted the first report I found on Google https://metro.co.uk/2023/07/24/greece-wildfires-could-get-worse-with-temperatures-set-to-reach-45c-19178811/ . I'm not sure what measurement is being used or how thet compares with records for this time of year. Leaving out detail leaves the door open for misinterpretation "But Cerberus is now being replaced with a second heatwave named Charon, which could push temperatures back up to around 45°C across the continent...With temperatures expected to hit 45°C, the Ministry for Civil Protection warned of a very high risk of wildfires in almost half of Greece." Edit: the temperatures quoted in the article do seem quite bit higher than those quoted elsewhere: https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/greece/rodhos/historic Edited July 25, 2023 by Barbe bleu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,279 Posted July 25, 2023 5 hours ago, Virtual reality said: The conditions would be dry in Greece in late July every year. The fact is we wouldn’t be having this conversation if it wasn’t for the actions of alleged arsonists. Quite astonishing that people are more taken by this aspect than the apparent fact that a very serious crime has taken place. Weird world… Your comments are either ill informed or deliberately misleading. Because of the extreme conditions, the ground is much drier than other previously recorded July’s. There has never been fires to the same degree in July than there is now. You can say it’s climate change or it’s not climate change, but you can’t rewrite recent history to suit your argument. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,401 Posted July 25, 2023 A pity that Colin didn't look up the facts Ice extent is indeed down since the 1980's but up on every year in the last decade except 2014. According to the daily sea ice extent data for 24th July, extent was 7,255,180 sq kmts which puts it at position 14 lowest in the 44 year satelite record. Thats 61 sq kms more than the same date last year 514,518 sq kms more than the same date in 2021 1,213,068 sq kms than the same date in 2020 Colin shouldn't worry about the bears, they are doing just fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,834 Posted July 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, ricardo said: A pity that Colin didn't look up the facts Ice extent is indeed down since the 1980's but up on every year in the last decade except 2014. According to the daily sea ice extent data for 24th July, extent was 7,255,180 sq kmts which puts it at position 14 lowest in the 44 year satelite record. Thats 61 sq kms more than the same date last year 514,518 sq kms more than the same date in 2021 1,213,068 sq kms than the same date in 2020 Colin shouldn't worry about the bears, they are doing just fine. Ignoring year on year variability, el nino etc the averages for 80s, 90s, 2000s ands 2010s (half way up) are all decreasing something like 30%. This really isn't the data to use to throw cold water on climate change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,279 Posted July 25, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, ricardo said: A pity that Colin didn't look up the facts Ice extent is indeed down since the 1980's but up on every year in the last decade except 2014. According to the daily sea ice extent data for 24th July, extent was 7,255,180 sq kmts which puts it at position 14 lowest in the 44 year satelite record. Thats 61 sq kms more than the same date last year 514,518 sq kms more than the same date in 2021 1,213,068 sq kms than the same date in 2020 Colin shouldn't worry about the bears, they are doing just fine. All gone quiet as below average temperatures re assert themselves across most of Europe. You told us ? Edited July 25, 2023 by Well b back Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,401 Posted July 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said: Ignoring year on year variability, el nino etc the averages for 80s, 90s, 2000s ands 2010s (half way up) are all decreasing something like 30%. This really isn't the data to use to throw cold water on climate change. We have 44 yrs of satellite data and the first 30 of that shows a sharp decline. The last decade and a half doesn't. I have no idea why, do you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,401 Posted July 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Well b back said: All gone quiet as below average temperatures re assert themselves across most of Europe. You told us ? That is quite correct, even reported on the BBC news if you look. All of North Western Europe is now showing a negative anomaly for the coming ten day forecast. Plenty of websites for you to check. You can track the GFS model on tropicaltidbits.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,401 Posted July 25, 2023 More from the Guardian, ice age coming soon. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,825 Posted July 25, 2023 Now this is rather bizarre.😲 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terminally Yellow 2,479 Posted July 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, Hook's-Walk-Canary said: So how do you think that these fires spread and continue to grow if not for the dry, humid conditions created by climate change in these areas, then? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terminally Yellow 2,479 Posted July 25, 2023 3 hours ago, ricardo said: More from the Guardian, ice age coming soon. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests Concerning stuff. Let's hope we can actually take action to try and slow the effects this study outlines. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hook's-Walk-Canary 213 Posted July 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, Terminally Yellow said: So how do you think that these fires spread and continue to grow if not for the dry, humid conditions created by climate change in these areas, then? Have you ever considered a name change? How about 'Terminally Stupid'? Aye, I'll go with that 😄 Bless you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terminally Yellow 2,479 Posted July 26, 2023 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Hook's-Walk-Canary said: Have you ever considered a name change? How about 'Terminally Stupid'? Aye, I'll go with that 😄 Bless you. Oh I'm totally stupid. But even I don't believe the fires currently ravaging parts of Central Europe and have ravaged parts of America and Australia in recent times are caused by arson. I'm also not even close to stupid enough to quote Martin Daubney as fact. Both of those takes a special kind of stupidity I can only ever aspire to. So kudos to you. Edited July 26, 2023 by Terminally Yellow 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
