Ipswich away match pick

[TIL 1010 4,798]

41 minutes ago, Osborne17 said:

This doesn't make sense though, the club have already automatically added "Away Member Sales Group 1 - 23/24" to my account, and I have not purchased away membership for the forthcoming season.

Well you have plainly slipped through the net then as Groups 1, 2 and 3 have to pay £25 for 2023/24.

Have you attempted a Match Pick today as it will be interesting what happens when you log in ?

[NewNestCarrow 203]

26 minutes ago, Greavsy said:

Because thats what the consultations were about . I was there! 

Here's a screen grab of the invitation emails too, which shows the subject matter quite clearly. 

 

 

 

The scheme that was launched in June 2019 was done without any kind of meaningful fans' consultation. That is beyond debate.

Three months later you were involved in public consultations that led to an amended scheme, details of which were announced in January 2020.  

 

[Greavsy 2,430]

Just now, NewNestCarrow said:

The scheme that was launched in June 2019 was done without any kind of meaningful fans' consultation. That is beyond debate.

Three months later you were involved in public consultations that led to an amended scheme, details of which were announced in January 2020.  

 

What the part that Ben admitted he got wrong, apologised and changed, with full fan consultation? 

Not sure what else you expected them to do? 

[NewNestCarrow 203]

5 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

the club have already automatically added "Away Member Sales Group 1 - 23/24" to my account, and I have not purchased away membership for the forthcoming season. 

Well you have plainly slipped through the net then as Groups 1, 2 and 3 have to pay £25 for 2023/24.

This is a systems gremlin, where your 'Group' allocation for the following season is listed as 'Purchased' (Price £0.00)', even if you haven't actually done so.

 

 

[Branston Pickle 3,690]

59 minutes ago, Osborne17 said:

This doesn't make sense though, the club have already automatically added "Away Member Sales Group 1 - 23/24" to my account, and I have not purchased away membership for the forthcoming season.

I’d go with whatever the club says, it seems to be in your favour! 

[Well b back 3,281]

44 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

Well you have plainly slipped through the net then as Groups 1, 2 and 3 have to pay £25 for 2023/24.

Have you attempted a Match Pick today as it will be interesting what happens when you log in ?

Indeed

Do us that paid get our money back lol

[Commonsense 650]

1 hour ago, Well b back said:

Indeed

Do us that paid get our money back lol

No because that is the way the system is set up. All of us received that at a price of £0 but it’s only activated when you pay.

[BigManInTheBarclay 75]

Home and Away sorted.....happy days

[Mr_Biff1961 11]

15 hours ago, Branston Pickle said:

All I know is that a s/t holder with a handful of away games I’m in group 4.  I just logged in and it tells me if I buy an away membership I’ll go into group 3.

Edit I thought @Osborne17 was correct in that he doesn’t need an away membership at all as he is higher priority already , but that might be wrong….reading tickets.canaries.co.uk/membershipfaq for info, you might need the membership too to be in grpup1

 

 

At the top of this screen grab it  confirms  that away members will have access to away tickets, to be a member you needed to pay the £25 so you are correct

Edited June 29, 2023 by Mr_Biff1961

[Osborne17 11]

 

Thanks everyone for clarifying. 

I didn't think for one moment, having committed to 10+ away matches last season, that I needed to support that commitment by purchasing an additional away membership.

It's immensely frustrating, as I had presumed Match Picks and 10+ away games would have been given equal placing.  In fact, they both WERE given equal placing for last season (see attached image), and in the absence of any clear communication of this change I presumed the same policies would apply. Perhaps I missed the comms from the club about this change.

I've now just purchased an away membership but sadly too late for the Ipswich match pick, I'll just have to hope I am lucky when the sale date reaches me.

Anyway thanks @TIL 1010 @NewNestCarrow et al for the info.

[Mello Yello 2,303]

I've been to quite a few Ipswich away games....Penned into a holding area of the rail station then 'escorted' en masse by Suffolk's finest to their ground....Then enjoying the experience and the courteous, exuberant and wonderful welcoming reception from their followers....as we 'Run the Gauntlet' to their stadium....Flob an' Gob an' Vile an' Vociferous insults with Gestures Caught....

Much the same at full-time and then rinse/repeat as we return to the rail station....So I'm giving the 'away derby experience' a miss....

Anyway....If it's a featured live game on Satellite TV I'll go with my mates to a City boozer to watch it....If it isn't chosen as a featured live game? I a can see a niche for the Club to make a few bob....Bring on the Beam back and show it in the Lion an' Castle and maybe a big screen arrangement for the more hardy support and accommodate them outside in the upper an' lower Barclay....It works....

[Jim Smith 2,339]

2 hours ago, Osborne17 said:

 

Thanks everyone for clarifying. 

I didn't think for one moment, having committed to 10+ away matches last season, that I needed to support that commitment by purchasing an additional away membership.

It's immensely frustrating, as I had presumed Match Picks and 10+ away games would have been given equal placing.  In fact, they both WERE given equal placing for last season (see attached image), and in the absence of any clear communication of this change I presumed the same policies would apply. Perhaps I missed the comms from the club about this change.

I've now just purchased an away membership but sadly too late for the Ipswich match pick, I'll just have to hope I am lucky when the sale date reaches me.

Anyway thanks @TIL 1010 @NewNestCarrow et al for the info.

You’ve always had to be an away member to get in sales group 1 as far as I’m aware. 10 stubs but no away membership has not got you any priority since they introduced this membership. 

The good news for you if you are now a member and in group 1 is that I would expect you to be able to get an Ipswich tickets. There were only around 800 in group 1 last season I believe.

 

[Ren 75]

57 minutes ago, Jim Smith said:

You’ve always had to be an away member to get in sales group 1 as far as I’m aware. 10 stubs but no away membership has not got you any priority since they introduced this membership. 

The good news for you if you are now a member and in group 1 is that I would expect you to be able to get an Ipswich tickets. There were only around 800 in group 1 last season I believe.

 

Yes and probably half of the 800 have selected it as their match pick.  Group 1 will be fine and I suspect many in group 2 will end up with a ticket as well.  

[KiwiScot 1,462]

3 hours ago, Osborne17 said:

 

Thanks everyone for clarifying. 

I didn't think for one moment, having committed to 10+ away matches last season, that I needed to support that commitment by purchasing an additional away membership.

It's immensely frustrating, as I had presumed Match Picks and 10+ away games would have been given equal placing.  In fact, they both WERE given equal placing for last season (see attached image), and in the absence of any clear communication of this change I presumed the same policies would apply. Perhaps I missed the comms from the club about this change.

I've now just purchased an away membership but sadly too late for the Ipswich match pick, I'll just have to hope I am lucky when the sale date reaches me.

Anyway thanks @TIL 1010 @NewNestCarrow et al for the info.

Just to point out you're showing last years on sale dates and this years you phone for the match pick the day before Group 1 goes on sale. I think my understanding is that is the day people who have selected a match pick for that day have to phone up to secure and pay for it. I guess all that means is they are not dealing with match picks on the Group 1 sale and lets everyone who got a match pick a chance to secure it..

[KiwiScot 1,462]

Btw. Out of Interest home&away

1) how much is pay at the gate still in play?

2) Touts i.e. ones standing about the ground still a thing?

[It's Character Forming 1,166]

21 minutes ago, KiwiScot said:

Btw. Out of Interest home&away

1) how much is pay at the gate still in play?

2) Touts i.e. ones standing about the ground still a thing?

Hey, do you think you'll make it down south for any games this year 🙂 

 

I can't remember any games last year that allowed pay on the gate and also I don't remember any touts outside City games LOL.

[KiwiScot 1,462]

15 minutes ago, It's Character Forming said:

Hey, do you think you'll make it down south for any games this year 🙂

Thinking about it, but there are a few things in the air and cost of trains are making me think twice. Preston away is always the best option in terms of cost, but that's at the end of the season. Also feels like I should manage again(the ordeal) of getting to Norwich itself for a home game.

away to Carlisle in the cup ☺️

Edited June 29, 2023 by KiwiScot

[essex canary 506]

23 hours ago, NewNestCarrow said:

It is not a preagreed system.

This is a club-mandated system that puts commercial income above fan-loyalty (the earlier points-based scheme was put together by a fans' group and had far fewer problems than Kensall's botch)

"The usual suspects" will be the ones supporting the team at far-off grounds, and at inconvenient times, and (often) whether the team are performing well or poorly. There are no logical reasons why these fans should not have priority for in-demand matches.

Absolutely. It is also opens up the possibility that troublemakers uninterested in any other fixtures can pay £60 to attend the local derby. If the pubs are open at 6am on a Sunday morning they will have the opportunity. It may suit Stu's vision of drunk males.

[Osborne17 11]

2 hours ago, KiwiScot said:

Just to point out you're showing last years on sale dates and this years you phone for the match pick the day before Group 1 goes on sale. I think my understanding is that is the day people who have selected a match pick for that day have to phone up to secure and pay for it. I guess all that means is they are not dealing with match picks on the Group 1 sale and lets everyone who got a match pick a chance to secure it..

Yes @KiwiScot, I know I was showing last years - I was highlighting the change from last season, in that match pick now comes before sales group 1

[essex canary 506]

3 hours ago, Jim Smith said:

You’ve always had to be an away member to get in sales group 1 as far as I’m aware. 10 stubs but no away membership has not got you any priority since they introduced this membership. 

The good news for you if you are now a member and in group 1 is that I would expect you to be able to get an Ipswich tickets. There were only around 800 in group 1 last season I believe.

 

Any idea how many Group 1 qualifiers there would have been prior to 2019? Be interesting to know whether there has been a change in regular away attenders and whether that has been for the better or worse?

[Greavsy 2,430]

12 minutes ago, essex canary said:

Any idea how many Group 1 qualifiers there would have been prior to 2019? Be interesting to know whether there has been a change in regular away attenders and whether that has been for the better or worse?

So you can have another stick.

I'm sure it was 750, often refered to as the elite*

Not to be confused with city elite,  thats a different group entirely. 

[essex canary 506]

13 minutes ago, Greavsy said:

So you can have another stick.

I'm sure it was 750, often refered to as the elite*

Not to be confused with city elite,  thats a different group entirely. 

750 did crop up somewhere. I think that was in Kensell's partial solution, not sure it was the same definition.

In 2019/20 demand for away games was very high due to return to PL. The likelihood of same isn't that great for next season given the distances to be travelled etc. all of which presents a high cost for supporters at times of economic stress whilst the Club's economic return on this is minimal albeit I guess it helps subsidise the Directors flights.

I bet Dagenham and Redbridge doesn't operate such a scheme. Then again their Directors probably don't fly to matches.

[Commonsense 650]

30 minutes ago, essex canary said:

750 did crop up somewhere. I think that was in Kensell's partial solution, not sure it was the same definition.

In 2019/20 demand for away games was very high due to return to PL. The likelihood of same isn't that great for next season given the distances to be travelled etc. all of which presents a high cost for supporters at times of economic stress whilst the Club's economic return on this is minimal albeit I guess it helps subsidise the Directors flights.

I bet Dagenham and Redbridge doesn't operate such a scheme. Then again their Directors probably don't fly to matches.

When were they last in the Premier League or anywhere in the football league come to that?

[essex canary 506]

17 hours ago, Commonsense said:

When were they last in the Premier League or anywhere in the football league come to that?

The real issue is that paying £25 to validate loyalty is rated more important than being willing to support the team at Swansea on a Wednesday night. Many other clubs think differently.

[essex canary 506]

On 28/06/2023 at 17:57, Greavsy said:

What the part that Ben admitted he got wrong, apologised and changed, with full fan consultation? 

Not sure what else you expected them to do? 

There were 2 major issues that arose from the Consultation, lack of regard for loyalty and a minimum guarantee.

These were not solved in the original implementation season only from then on as it happened post pandemic.

The elite 750 was however a stop gap on the loyalty issue for 2019/20 protecting those who were at the time regular away attenders. No adjustment was made that season for the minimum guarantee though the clamour for London matches in particular was a major driver in supporters observations. My son, for instance, in that season being south-east based and wanting such matches only ended up get nothing for his money despite an hour distracted from work trying to get West Ham tickets, borrowing my wife's membership to accompany me at Spurs under my elite 750 arrangement (the 3 of us could no longer go together) and then the pandemic curtailing other London fixtures.

As to where we are now. The loyalty system now introduced is more clunky in nature than the previous one which we didn't pay for whilst the minimum guarantee logic was, from a supporters perspective, never intended to cover Ipswich.

What would I expect them to do? Look through the eyes of supporters before they make decisions and adjust policy according to changed circumstances. 

[Greavsy 2,430]

7 minutes ago, essex canary said:

There were 2 major issues that arose from the Consultation, lack of regard for loyalty and a minimum guarantee.

These were not solved in the original implementation season only from then on as it happened post pandemic.

The elite 750 was however a stop gap on the loyalty issue for 2019/20 protecting those who were at the time regular away attenders. No adjustment was made that season for the minimum guarantee though the clamour for London matches in particular was a major driver in supporters observations. My son, for instance, in that season being south-east based and wanting such matches only ended up get nothing for his money despite an hour distracted from work trying to get West Ham tickets, borrowing my wife's membership to accompany me at Spurs under my elite 750 arrangement (the 3 of us could no longer go together) and then the pandemic curtailing other London fixtures.

As to where we are now. The loyalty system now introduced is more clunky in nature than the previous one which we didn't pay for whilst the minimum guarantee logic was, from a supporters perspective, never intended to cover Ipswich.

What would I expect them to do? Look through the eyes of supporters before they make decisions and adjust policy according to changed circumstances. 

Me me me......... 

So you were in the 750 but expect your son / wife to gain the same access despite not demonstrating the same loyalty. Of course, as a shareholder your family should take precedent over other genuine "elite" members. 

Give me strength. 

Maybe they should do regional away memberships, for those who wish to go to local away games. 

[essex canary 506]

7 minutes ago, Greavsy said:

Me me me......... 

So you were in the 750 but expect your son / wife to gain the same access despite not demonstrating the same loyalty. Of course, as a shareholder your family should take precedent over other genuine "elite" members. 

Give me strength. 

Maybe they should do regional away memberships, for those who wish to go to local away games. 

It is about demonstrating a practical example where the Club is involved in raiding the pockets of ordinary people to pay extraordinarily fat salaries to senior officials in the same family who don't deliver.

Kensell's performance in this matter was poor but also improving. His post was authorised by the previous Chairman as a key contact with the fans. In asking the question about why it was withdrawn on Monday Night, some corporate gobbledegook referenced back to faceless Delia was delivered.

In terms of potential arrangements for reduced  attendance at pandemic home matches there was some discussion about families of 12 people potentially going. How that can be accommodated when they cant facilitate a family of 3 going to an away game? They could surely do that easily if they had a points system by giving priority to the family, or otherwise, based on the average loyalty score. Fact is they are too lazy and want money for nothing.

[TIL 1010 4,798]

15 minutes ago, essex canary said:

It is about demonstrating a practical example where the Club is involved in raiding the pockets of ordinary people to pay extraordinarily fat salaries to senior officials in the same family who don't deliver.

 

I just knew we would get there in the end.

[Greavsy 2,430]

15 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

I just knew we would get there in the end.

Groundhog day! 

[KiwiScot 1,462]

Does the system stop supporters of other clubs buying up tickets? I mean the membership fee part and the  "Any other member" sales period before general sale. Only point of it in my book as it's pretty simple to give priority windows for regular match goers without charging a fee.