Gary Lineker

[benchwarmer 625]

Alan Shearer has pulled out now.

[KiwiScot 1,453]

The goverment make a point of not liking the BBC because they can control it and knock it down supporting their own friendly media. I read somewhere that broadcast television could be stopped within 1-2 decades with it all being on demand. Would not put it past the torys having that at the long term plan to knock the beeb.

[Well b back 3,227]

14 minutes ago, Nuff Said said:

Just heard Braverman on the news saying he was comparing the government’s actions to the Holocaust . Just proving his original point, twisting the truth for political purposes. What he actually said was their *language* is similar to that used by the Nazis *in the 30s*.

But I will say is this not the actions now ? Not the holocaust itself, but how they came to strengthen their initial power, by shutting up anyone that spoke out against them. 

[Well b back 3,227]

18 minutes ago, benchwarmer said:

Alan Shearer has pulled out now.

Should Jenas ( or anyone else for that matter ) take this gig, they will see a backlash that probably destroys their careers.

MAYBE BRAVERMAN WILL PRESENT IT. We could start off with the National Anthem, then be encouraged to boo the taking of the knee.

I would love to see all football pundits issue their support for Lineker, whichever station they work for.

[littleyellowbirdie 2,559]

It's quite encouraging that there's starting to be some sentiment aimed at the government for leaning on the BBC instead of just blaming the BBC.

On a related note, an Attenborough episode on biodiversity has been suppressed for fears of a government backlash.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/mar/10/david-attenborough-bbc-wild-isles-episode-rightwing-backlash-fears

Edited March 10, 2023 by littleyellowbirdie

[A Load of Squit 5,183]

And the 3rd thing. 

This is an organisation falling apart before our very eyes.

 

[Herman 9,787]

1 minute ago, A Load of Squit said:

And the 3rd thing. 

This is an organisation falling apart before our very eyes.

 

Is the plan to make everyone hate the BBC so they can easily shut it down??

[littleyellowbirdie 2,559]

29 minutes ago, Herman said:

Is the plan to make everyone hate the BBC so they can easily shut it down??

If it is, I think it's going to backfire. I've noticed some of the noises from Labour about protecting the BBC are quite positive. It'll be nice if they rescue it from the slippery slope they put it on covering their **** over Gilligan and John Kelly.

Edited March 10, 2023 by littleyellowbirdie

[yellowrider120 765]

6 hours ago, Creative Midfielder said:

I'm sure they do, not just from their behaviour in recent years but from a historic perspective I think you could say quite fairly that it's pretty much part of their (& their owners') genetic make up.

Like all things I guess it ebbs and flows a bit based on the prevailing political climate and bearing in mind that their primary purpose is always to make money, so there is a chicken and egg situation continually in play between trying to lead the idots who buy the rag in their desired direction and pandering to their audiences' existing prejudices - though in truth the Daily Heil is so narrowly and well focussed on its target audience that their political line and their mugs' existing prejudices are always pretty well aligned.

Their journalism is absolute s**t but they certainly know their target audience well, and having had a government since 2019 with a distinctly authoritarian streak has doubtless encouraged further bad behaviour on their part, or maybe vice-versa. Perhaps another chicken or egg situation?

Well allow me to put some context to this whole anti Daily Mail (sorry should that now be Daily 'Heil' in some peoples minds?) rant.

In 1997 the said paper ran a huge headline 'Murderers' showing pictures of the thugs who attacked, beat and murdered Steven Lawrence. In fact when said criminals were finally bought to justice, Lord Justice Leveson called the Mail's campaign.....'an example of great journalism' . Lawrence was black and his attackers white.  Doesn't exactly fit your 'national socialist'  tag does it?

Bringing matters bang up to date, last year immediately Russia invaded Ukraine, the Daily Mail, Mail on Sunday and Mail Online launched a massive fundraising campaign to support Ukrainian refugees. Within two months, over TEN MILLION £'s was raised. Again, I'm not entirely sure how this stacks up with their 'absolute s++t journalism' or their audiences 'prejudices' let along the 'national socialist' nature of the paper. No doubt you will be delighted to educate me on these matters?   

[TheGunnShow 5,946]

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

4 hours ago, TheGunnShow said:

Yeah, Attenborough's perfectly correct views on overpopulation seem to trigger quite a lot of people.

If overpopulation is important to you then why not go first? Or is it other people that are the problem?

[TheGunnShow 5,946]

12 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

If overpopulation is important to you then why not go first? Or is it other people that are the problem?

By not wanting kids - and indeed not having them - I'm already more than doing my bit.

Anyone who wants to advocate anything else is welcome to go first. See if they have the courage of their words.

Edited March 10, 2023 by TheGunnShow
Needed a word adding

[canarydan23 4,060]

1 hour ago, yellowrider120 said:

In 1997 the said paper ran a huge headline 'Murderers' showing pictures of the thugs who attacked, beat and murdered Steven Lawrence. In fact when said criminals were finally bought to justice, Lord Justice Leveson called the Mail's campaign.....'an example of great journalism' . Lawrence was black and his attackers white.  Doesn't exactly fit your 'national socialist'  tag does it?

Interesting you bring up Steven Lawrence, whose killer's trial was almost collapsed by a Rod Liddle article in The Spectator, chaired by Andrew Neil who was also at the time employed by the BBC.

No uproar then, interestingly.

The right-wing are, ironically, the biggest snowflakes going.

[canarydan23 4,060]

5 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said:

By not wanting kids I'm already more than doing my bit.

Anyone who wants to advocate anything else is welcome to go first. See if they have the courage of their words.

I think you mean by not having kids.

I don't want them, but I'm not doing my bit, because I have three.

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

3 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said:

By not wanting kids I'm already more than doing my bit.

Anyone who wants to advocate anything else is welcome to go first. See if they have the courage of their words.

Let's work on reducing absolute poverty first. As incomes rise, families have fewer children. Best way to deal with overpopulation is through targeted economic growth. Less bloodshed, too!

 

[TheGunnShow 5,946]

1 minute ago, canarydan23 said:

I think you mean by not having kids.

I don't want them, but I'm not doing my bit, because I have three.

Fair enough, I never wanted them and don't have them either. 

[TheGunnShow 5,946]

4 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Let's work on reducing absolute poverty first. As incomes rise, families have fewer children. Best way to deal with overpopulation is through targeted economic growth. Less bloodshed, too!

 

Could use a big increase in the minimum wage then, especially if the Gravity Payments case study is an example. And there will always be room for quality sex education. Not sweeping it under the carpet (and it's presumably shagpile).

[Herman 9,787]

1 hour ago, yellowrider120 said:

Well allow me to put some context to this whole anti Daily Mail (sorry should that now be Daily 'Heil' in some peoples minds?) rant.

In 1997 the said paper ran a huge headline 'Murderers' showing pictures of the thugs who attacked, beat and murdered Steven Lawrence. In fact when said criminals were finally bought to justice, Lord Justice Leveson called the Mail's campaign.....'an example of great journalism' . Lawrence was black and his attackers white.  Doesn't exactly fit your 'national socialist'  tag does it?

Bringing matters bang up to date, last year immediately Russia invaded Ukraine, the Daily Mail, Mail on Sunday and Mail Online launched a massive fundraising campaign to support Ukrainian refugees. Within two months, over TEN MILLION £'s was raised. Again, I'm not entirely sure how this stacks up with their 'absolute s++t journalism' or their audiences 'prejudices' let along the 'national socialist' nature of the paper. No doubt you will be delighted to educate me on these matters?   

Crush the Saboteurs and Enemies of the People were headlines straight from the national socialist playbook. Hounding and bullying a man out of his job because of his opinion is another. And going way back everyone should remember the Hurrah for the Blackshirts headline. The rotten apple doesn't fall far from the cankerous tree.

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

2 hours ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

It's quite encouraging that there's starting to be some sentiment aimed at the government for leaning on the BBC instead of just blaming the BBC.

On a related note, an Attenborough episode on biodiversity has been suppressed for fears of a government backlash.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/mar/10/david-attenborough-bbc-wild-isles-episode-rightwing-backlash-fears

It's not a government backlash but a viewer backlash that the BBC is worried about. The programme in question is yet another climate change propaganda piece disguised as a nature programme and viewers write in complaining in their thousands about the BBC and their climate change lies. For the same reason Countryfile has been losing viewers in the thousands and the Autumnwatch series is being scrapped.

Sneekily, the BBC are showing this nature programme on the iPlayer where they know they will get a younger audience tuning in, and it is the youngsters whom they really want to brainwash. So it is job done for the BBC.

[Herman 9,787]

Climate change is real.

[yellowrider120 765]

Just now, Herman said:

Climate change is real.

It certainly is! That's because it's been going on ever since the Earth was formed! The current warming trend may be due (in part) to man made effect but it's the total stifling of any other perspective which is so worrying. You know the sort of jibes.........'Nazi, Facist, Far Right' are flung at you even when you want to discuss previous periods of Earths climate!! It really is totally stupid.

Tectonic activity, volcanoes and earthquakes can (and have) released huge amounts of C02 into the atmosphere yet THIS time the 'science is settled' apparently and it's OUR fault for daring to kick start the Industrial Revolution!!  

[canarydan23 4,060]

5 minutes ago, yellowrider120 said:

It certainly is! That's because it's been going on ever since the Earth was formed! The current warming trend may be due (in part) to man made effect but it's the total stifling of any other perspective which is so worrying. You know the sort of jibes.........'Nazi, Facist, Far Right' are flung at you even when you want to discuss previous periods of Earths climate!! It really is totally stupid.

Tectonic activity, volcanoes and earthquakes can (and have) released huge amounts of C02 into the atmosphere yet THIS time the 'science is settled' apparently and it's OUR fault for daring to kick start the Industrial Revolution!!  

So, human activity is unnaturally heating up the planet but it's the stifling of people who talk **** on the Internet that is worrying. 

Nice.

Edited March 10, 2023 by canarydan23

[littleyellowbirdie 2,559]

37 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

It's not a government backlash but a viewer backlash that the BBC is worried about. The programme in question is yet another climate change propaganda piece disguised as a nature programme and viewers write in complaining in their thousands about the BBC and their climate change lies. For the same reason Countryfile has been losing viewers in the thousands and the Autumnwatch series is being scrapped.

Sneekily, the BBC are showing this nature programme on the iPlayer where they know they will get a younger audience tuning in, and it is the youngsters whom they really want to brainwash. So it is job done for the BBC.

Sir David Attenborough made his first nature documentary in 1954. That's nearly 70 years of seeing the natural world up close and personal all over the world from before climate change was on the radar and seeing the changes, all the while talking to the scientists. There is no more credible honest broker on the subject on the planet.

I'm a strong believer in the importance of science, but the money is on the side of oil and gas; not environmental scientists. The financial interests have been on the side of suppressing scientific research and financing those that want to debunk it.

Margaret Thatcher, PM and Oxford-educated chemist, spoke to the UN about the importance of the subject in the 80s.

Climate change is real, there's nothing party-political about it, so if the government has leaned on the BBC on this then that is simply corruption.

Edited March 10, 2023 by littleyellowbirdie

[PurpleCanary 5,564]

2 hours ago, yellowrider120 said:

Well allow me to put some context to this whole anti Daily Mail (sorry should that now be Daily 'Heil' in some peoples minds?) rant.

In 1997 the said paper ran a huge headline 'Murderers' showing pictures of the thugs who attacked, beat and murdered Steven Lawrence. In fact when said criminals were finally bought to justice, Lord Justice Leveson called the Mail's campaign.....'an example of great journalism' . Lawrence was black and his attackers white.  Doesn't exactly fit your 'national socialist'  tag does it?

Bringing matters bang up to date, last year immediately Russia invaded Ukraine, the Daily Mail, Mail on Sunday and Mail Online launched a massive fundraising campaign to support Ukrainian refugees. Within two months, over TEN MILLION £'s was raised. Again, I'm not entirely sure how this stacks up with their 'absolute s++t journalism' or their audiences 'prejudices' let along the 'national socialist' nature of the paper. No doubt you will be delighted to educate me on these matters?   

Some more context. The Mail took up the Stephen Lawrence story because the victim’s father had done some plastering work for Paul Dacre. Its campaign was admirable, but arguably a bit of a one-off, and in contrast to much of the usual tenor of the paper.

As to its Ukraine campaign, that is a special wartime case that is again in marked contrast to its general attitude to refugees.

[benchwarmer 625]

Latest news:  Some Premiership players have contacted the PFA with a view to boycotting post-match interviews for MOTD.

[littleyellowbirdie 2,559]

17 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

So, human activity is unnaturally heating up the planet but it's the stifling of people who talk **** on the Internet that is worrying. 

Nice.

It's a perfect example of why the Nazi comparisons are counter-productive though. People just argue about that, which distracts from dealing with the subject matter.

Edited March 10, 2023 by littleyellowbirdie

[Icecream Snow 761]

Twitter is in good form

 

[littleyellowbirdie 2,559]

10 minutes ago, benchwarmer said:

Latest news:  Some Premiership players have contacted the PFA with a view to boycotting post-match interviews for MOTD.

So in the end, it's the BBC's reputation that suffers more than the government's.

[benchwarmer 625]

9 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

So in the end, it's the BBC's reputation that suffers more than the government's.

It's obvious that the BBC has been leaned on.  That's what blows its reputation for impartiality out of the water, not the utterances of Gary Lineker.

Edited March 10, 2023 by benchwarmer

[littleyellowbirdie 2,559]

6 minutes ago, benchwarmer said:

It's obvious that the BBC has been leaned on.  That's what blows its reputation for impartiality out of the water, not the utterances of Gary Lineker.

As I just said on another thread, the BBC is powerless to stop it. Public opinion about government interference could stop it, but Lineker doesn't seem inclined to do anything to protect the institution to which he owes so much.

The BBC is one of the UK's most powerful assets in exerting influence globally. France, Russia, Iran, and others have all come up with imitations of what it does for us. Letting it be trashed like this is criminal.

Edited March 10, 2023 by littleyellowbirdie