Kingston Yellow 227 Posted December 17, 2022 Southgate is staying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted December 17, 2022 That is a huge relief as I was worried he'd end up here. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GodlyOtsemobor 2,475 Posted December 17, 2022 Damn... I was hoping they'd poach Deano for his amazing tactical insight and the charisma that the guy oozes that will really cement his fabulous relationship with the crowd at Wembley. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kirku 1,340 Posted December 17, 2022 England won six knock-out games in major tournaments from 1968 to 2016. Gareth Southgate won six from 2018 to 2022. 17 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary Jedi 592 Posted December 17, 2022 1 minute ago, kirku said: England won six knock-out games in major tournaments from 1968 to 2016. Gareth Southgate won six from 2018 to 2022. Wow that’s an amazing stat. Shows what an impact he has had. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Worthy Nigelton 1,100 Posted December 17, 2022 He's done amazingly well. How people criticise him I will never know. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kirku 1,340 Posted December 17, 2022 Just now, Canary Jedi said: Wow that’s an amazing stat. Shows what an impact he has had. Really puts it into perspective Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted December 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, kirku said: England won six knock-out games in major tournaments from 1968 to 2016. Gareth Southgate won six from 2018 to 2022. Who was the top ranked out of them? Sweden? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kirku 1,340 Posted December 17, 2022 1 minute ago, keelansgrandad said: Who was the top ranked out of them? Sweden? No. England knocked out Germany in the Euros last year 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,938 Posted December 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Worthy Nigelton said: He's done amazingly well. How people criticise him I will never know. Agreed, but the England job is a poisoned chalice, because the expectations are unrealistically high for a country that has only ever reached two major finals. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert N. LiM 4,730 Posted December 17, 2022 Funnily enough was about to post this as a joke in another thread. Seems like I need to do it for real. The good news is that Southgate is staying as England manager so at least we're spared the spectacle of people on here complaining that they don't want the best England coach of the last 50 years coming to our club. 2 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kirku 1,340 Posted December 17, 2022 I find it interesting how the defeat to Croatia in the previous WC is remembered. Many people view it as a wasted opportunity or that England underperformed due to Southgate's "poor" coaching. Ashley Young was playing LWB (with Danny Rose as the alternative). The midfield had Alli and Lingard in it, and sometimes Eric Dier. Phil Jones was in the squad. Frankly disgraceful that Southgate couldn't get a better tune out of that lot to dominate a woeful Croatian midfield of Rakitic, Modric and Brozovic.. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted December 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, kirku said: No. England knocked out Germany in the Euros last year Sorry, I was meaning World Cups. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted December 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, kirku said: I find it interesting how the defeat to Croatia in the previous WC is remembered. Many people view it as a wasted opportunity or that England underperformed due to Southgate's "poor" coaching. Ashley Young was playing LWB (with Danny Rose as the alternative). The midfield had Alli and Lingard in it, and sometimes Eric Dier. Phil Jones was in the squad. Frankly disgraceful that Southgate couldn't get a better tune out of that lot to dominate a woeful Croatian midfield of Rakitic, Modric and Brozovic.. He picked the team didn't he? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGunnShow 6,177 Posted December 17, 2022 (edited) He's done well with a side that's rather unbalanced and lacking top-drawer quality in key positions. It just happens to be a bumper crop of quality attacking midfielders with Bellingham behind them, but has also had a little luck with draws opening up. I mean, England lost to France who replaced a Ballon d'Or-winning striker in Benzema with their top scorer in internationals in GIroud. They were probably on their fourth centre-half, second or third left-back and had decided to repurpose Griezmann into a more orthodox central midfielder. England do not have that depth across the board with a second striker of, probably, Callum Wilson or Ivan Toney if he hadn't been caught betting. To criticise Southgate, you kinda have to overrate the players. Edited December 17, 2022 by TheGunnShow 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert N. LiM 4,730 Posted December 17, 2022 Just now, TheGunnShow said: To criticise Southgate, you kinda have to overrate the players. You'd never catch England fans doing that. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kirku 1,340 Posted December 17, 2022 1 minute ago, keelansgrandad said: He picked the team didn't he? I see your point, he should've turned to the bench and picked Fabian Delph or Ruben Loftus-Cheek instead. Why didn't he hand out a passport to Kovacic? He couldn't get into the Croatia team, might've fancied the move. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGunnShow 6,177 Posted December 17, 2022 Just now, Robert N. LiM said: You'd never catch England fans doing that. Nah, it's just the national disease. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted December 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, kirku said: I see your point, he should've turned to the bench and picked Fabian Delph or Ruben Loftus-Cheek instead. Why didn't he hand out a passport to Kovacic? He couldn't get into the Croatia team, might've fancied the move. I don't know whether you know but he selected the squad. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 4,160 Posted December 17, 2022 32 minutes ago, Worthy Nigelton said: He's done amazingly well. How people criticise him I will never know. And yet I’d doubt any teams supporters in the the top half of the Premier League would want him. Very beige and boring, maybe an ideal fit here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kirku 1,340 Posted December 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said: I don't know whether you know but he selected the squad. Let's take LWB as an example. Ashley Young and Danny Rose were in the squad, who would you have chosen instead? It's utterly bizarre to insinuate there's a wealth of talent that Southgate overlooked in an England squad containing several players who were woefully short of international quality (ignoring the two above): Delph, Jones, Welbeck, Cahill, Lingard, Dier, Loftus-Cheek, Butland Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kirku 1,340 Posted December 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said: And yet I’d doubt any teams supporters in the the top half of the Premier League would want him. Very beige and boring, maybe an ideal fit here. Some coaches are better suited to international football. Perhaps Southgate is one? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
littleyellowbirdie 2,630 Posted December 17, 2022 40 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said: Agreed, but the England job is a poisoned chalice, because the expectations are unrealistically high for a country that has only ever reached two major finals. A bit like Norwich in some ways. 🙃 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 4,160 Posted December 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, kirku said: Some coaches are better suited to international football. Perhaps Southgate is one? Ok, calm down Gareth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kirku 1,340 Posted December 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said: Ok, calm down Gareth. Got to be careful when debating with such rapier wit, like this. It's a dangerous game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Commonsense 688 Posted December 17, 2022 48 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said: Sorry, I was meaning World Cups. What do the Euros not have knock out games, or is it just that the reply doesn’t fit your agenda? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,765 Posted December 17, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, kirku said: England won six knock-out games in major tournaments from 1968 to 2016. Gareth Southgate won six from 2018 to 2022. Must be a different guy who saw us doubled by the mighty Hungary earlier this year. This World Cup we managed to play the 16, 18, 19 and 20th ranked sides in the world. Is it that outstanding that we managed to beat some of them? Edited December 17, 2022 by Branston Pickle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kirku 1,340 Posted December 17, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Branston Pickle said: Must be a different guy who saw us doubled by the mighty Hungary earlier this year. A very good point, indeed! Afterall, a single friendly result is a far more impactful metric with which to judge Southgate than all of England's major tournament results over the last 54 years. Edited December 17, 2022 by kirku Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,765 Posted December 17, 2022 Just now, kirku said: A very good point, indeed! Afterall, a single friendly result is a far more impactful metric with which to judge Southgate than all of England's major tournament results over the last 54 years. Nations League is not a friendly, it’s a full tournament. You do understand that, and that we had the joy of being relegated. Great stuff. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,765 Posted December 18, 2022 You obviously don’t spend any of your hard earned following England, you’d not be laughing if you did. They’ve been crap this year, one decent World Cup game which we didn’t even win doesn’t make up for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites