Has Webber 'lost his head'?

[The Great Mass Debater 1,202]

Plucked up the courage to read the Connor Southwell article just now, and found Webber's previous comments on top players walking into top jobs rather interesting.

I've seen the suggestion that 'Webber has lost his head' made a few times on various threads. When you consider his previous comments about not signing relegated players (which he has then gone and done x4 in his recruitment this season) alongside these comments, it seems Webber (in seemingly appointing Lampard) is going back on everything he has said and lived by previously. So what gives?

 

Back in 2019, Stuart Webber made these comments to MyFootballWriter about top players being handed coaching positions: 

"The coach education system in our country has improved a lot. I still think we hand out badges a bit easy though, and that if you’ve got a certain number of caps then people are in awe of you. 

"He must know what he’s talking about, he’s got 50 caps for his country’. In fact, he might not have a clue. I was fortunate to visit Red Bull recently and their Team Principal, Christian Horner, said most of their drivers don’t have a clue and you couldn’t put them in charge of a team. 

"But in football, everyone thinks, ‘he played, he was a top footballer, let’s put him in charge of 25 players, 30 staff - and he can deal with the media and the board.’ It’s actually a pretty tough job. 

If you immediately put Max Verstappen in charge of a Formula One team, with 300 staff, people would think you were crazy." 

[king canary 8,751]

I don't see the contradiction here.

The point he is making is about ex players being parachuted into top jobs without experience- if he'd gone out and given the job to an ex England international with no managerial experience (lets say Rio Ferdinand for example) then sure. But if he hires Lampard he's hiring someone approaching 150 games managerial experience.

You can argue that Chelsea hiring Lampard was doing this but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be open to hiring him once he's got the experience.

[TeemuVanBasten 3,328]

He is quite possibly somebody who has just done a good job blagging his way through his career in football and benefited from a huge degree of luck.

But I still hope he can blag or fluke his way to 17th this season, and I think he needed to change manager to have a chance of doing that.

[Mengo 852]

4 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

He is quite possibly somebody who has just done a good job blagging his way through his career in football and benefited from a huge degree of luck.

But I still hope he can blag or fluke his way to 17th this season, and I think he needed to change manager to have a chance of doing that.

He is quite possibly somebody who has just done a good job blagging his way through his career in football and benefited from a huge degree of luck.🤣🤴fluke will do for me. Cmon down big Frankie

 

[Yobocop 1,444]

Fluke and luck has taken us a hell of a long way in 5 years 

[Kenny Foggo 1,193]

Pep was a top player as was Poch... Terrible managers

 

[Thumbbass 365]

I appreciate the sentiment of the OP but I think, in fact I'm sure, that due diligence on any candidate has been done with regard to their coaching ability regardless of playing reputation. Webber's analogy is totally false though, footballers will have been exposed to many methods of coaching and man management in their careers from 7-8 years of age so are not totally without experience at any level.

Perhaps Wayne Rooney at Derby is an example of a guy who embodies the type of appointment though. Great player, big name, big heart, but probably not ready for the job.

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,789]

9 hours ago, The Great Mass Debater said:

Plucked up the courage to read the Connor Southwell article just now, and found Webber's previous comments on top players walking into top jobs rather interesting.

I've seen the suggestion that 'Webber has lost his head' made a few times on various threads. When you consider his previous comments about not signing relegated players (which he has then gone and done x4 in his recruitment this season) alongside these comments, it seems Webber (in seemingly appointing Lampard) is going back on everything he has said and lived by previously. So what gives?

 

Back in 2019, Stuart Webber made these comments to MyFootballWriter about top players being handed coaching positions: 

"The coach education system in our country has improved a lot. I still think we hand out badges a bit easy though, and that if you’ve got a certain number of caps then people are in awe of you. 

"He must know what he’s talking about, he’s got 50 caps for his country’. In fact, he might not have a clue. I was fortunate to visit Red Bull recently and their Team Principal, Christian Horner, said most of their drivers don’t have a clue and you couldn’t put them in charge of a team. 

"But in football, everyone thinks, ‘he played, he was a top footballer, let’s put him in charge of 25 players, 30 staff - and he can deal with the media and the board.’ It’s actually a pretty tough job. 

If you immediately put Max Verstappen in charge of a Formula One team, with 300 staff, people would think you were crazy." 

Webber has lost his head because Max Verstappen couldn’t run a racing team. 
 

Intriguing.
 

Maybe when Verstappen has won the world champs , got his advanced license ,  studied the idiots guide to running a racing team , he may be able to ? 

[Badger 2,745]

7 minutes ago, Thumbbass said:

Perhaps Wayne Rooney at Derby is an example of a guy who embodies the type of appointment though. Great player, big name, big heart, but probably not ready for the job.

TBF, given the challenges that Derby face, he is not doing a bad job.

[Branston Pickle 4,149]

No

[Big Vince 423]

10 hours ago, The Great Mass Debater said:

Plucked up the courage to read the Connor Southwell article just now, and found Webber's previous comments on top players walking into top jobs rather interesting.

I've seen the suggestion that 'Webber has lost his head' made a few times on various threads. When you consider his previous comments about not signing relegated players (which he has then gone and done x4 in his recruitment this season) alongside these comments, it seems Webber (in seemingly appointing Lampard) is going back on everything he has said and lived by previously. So what gives?

 

Back in 2019, Stuart Webber made these comments to MyFootballWriter about top players being handed coaching positions: 

"The coach education system in our country has improved a lot. I still think we hand out badges a bit easy though, and that if you’ve got a certain number of caps then people are in awe of you. 

"He must know what he’s talking about, he’s got 50 caps for his country’. In fact, he might not have a clue. I was fortunate to visit Red Bull recently and their Team Principal, Christian Horner, said most of their drivers don’t have a clue and you couldn’t put them in charge of a team. 

"But in football, everyone thinks, ‘he played, he was a top footballer, let’s put him in charge of 25 players, 30 staff - and he can deal with the media and the board.’ It’s actually a pretty tough job. 

If you immediately put Max Verstappen in charge of a Formula One team, with 300 staff, people would think you were crazy." 

Mario Zagallo, Franz Beckenbauer, Didier Deschamps.

World Cups as players and managers.

It is dangerous to make generalisations as there will always be exceptions.

[The Real Buh 3,765]

I do t know about Webber losing his head but blimey! A few people on here have 🤣🤣

havent seen a tantrum like this over, currently, nothing in quite some time

some people need to give their heads a wobble big time

[The Great Mass Debater 1,202]

Would Frank Lampard really be the man though, if judged completely on his management record? Id suggest not. He'd have been nowhere near the Chelsea job without a whole load of sentiment and wide-eyed optimism.

Im not sure we're not now making the exact mistakes Webber had previously been vocal about as being mistakes

[canarydan23 4,761]

He's certainly not the man he was two years. Around the time he was saying what Connor Southwell quoted in the article, he was also saying he wasn't about to go and sign a load of "damaged goods" relegated players.

Seems to have changed his opinion on that front this time around as well.