New Tory Leader

[Barry Brockes 147]

In one interview at the weekend he said that it had been his lifelong ambition to be PM and now he's there it will take a Panzer Division to remove him.

The cretin has not one jot of shame and will stick it out to the bitter end doing whatever it takes to remain in power along the way.

What a tragedy that Mrs. Johnson senior didn't have a headache one fateful night in September 1963.

 

[Mark .Y. 352]

50 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Starmer had over 6000 staff in the CPS. Name me one director of 6000 staff who knows what each one of those is doing for every decision they make. Johnson was directly responsible for delaying responses to Covid 19 with the result we have the highest death total in the EU. An inquiry set up into the decision not to prosecute Saville found nothing at all for which Starmer personally could be held responsible. I look forward to a similar inquiry into the Covid 19 failures. In the meantime try reading the independent assessment of the "Full Fact" organisation re Starmer https://fullfact.org/online/keir-starmer-prosecute-jimmy-savile/

But not by deaths/million population which is surely a more reasonable measure ???

 

[Mark .Y. 352]

2 minutes ago, Barry Brockes said:

In one interview at the weekend he said that it had been his lifelong ambition to be PM and now he's there it will take a Panzer Division to remove him.

The cretin has not one jot of shame and will stick it out to the bitter end doing whatever it takes to remain in power along the way.

What a tragedy that Mrs. Johnson senior didn't have a headache one fateful night in September 1963.

 

Oh what a night.............. late September back in '63  

 

Not quite the right month, but sorry, couldn't resist 🤣

[horsefly 4,310]

9 minutes ago, Mark .Y. said:

But not by deaths/million population which is surely a more reasonable measure ???

 

And how good does that look? Not very! Not only that but we had significant parts of Europe providing a live model of the progression of the virus and the government did nothing. Italy in particular was about 2-3 weeks ahead of us and screaming at us to act immediately to prevent the horrendous crisis they endured. Worth watching the Sky News "Hotspots" documentary that collated contemporary news reports on the development of the Covid outbreak.

[Mark .Y. 352]

1 minute ago, horsefly said:

And how good does that look? Not very! Not only that but we had significant parts of Europe providing a live model of the progression of the virus and the government did nothing. Italy in particular was about 2-3 weeks ahead of us and screaming at us to act immediately to prevent the horrendous crisis they endured. Worth watching the Sky News "Hotspots" documentary that collated contemporary news reports on the development of the Covid outbreak.

Can you just not admit that it is a better measure ? 

I'm not arguing against all the horrendous errors of the Tory government, but you are using statistics that are fairly meaningless

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

1 hour ago, A Load of Squit said:

Regulations being targeted are;

Wearing a monocle on St. Crispins day.

Nannies making tapioca for pudding.

Godfathers failing to send a postal order for Michaelmas.  

Might have to get the ducking stools out again.

[Creative Midfielder 2,000]

3 hours ago, Mark .Y. said:

But not by deaths/million population which is surely a more reasonable measure ???

 

Deaths per million obviously is a more reasonable measure than purely raw numbers but even if we adopt that measure it paints the UK response in an extremely poor light.

The fact that some smaller and mainly Eastern European countries who are much less wealthy and have less well developed public services than the UK did worse on that measure than the UK is very little consolation.

The key point is surely that if you compare the UK with the European countries that we would normally expect to be our appropriate comparators, whether it is the bigger European countries, the wealthier European countries, or the western and/or northern European countries - on all of those comparisons we are the worst.

Or to put it another way - an even better measure of how well a country has performed, better than grand total of deaths or deaths per million of population is the outcomes achieved vs the potential capacity a country had to combat the virus and that I think highlights just how poor the UK performance really was - we are one of the wealthiest countries in the world, we supposedly have one of the best health systems in the world and we have a huge, world re-known and highly successful scientific community and yet we achieved a worst outcome relative to similar countries and also many less well placed countries.

All this, of course, is before we even mention excess deaths, so there are plenty of competing measures but whichever you plump for the conclusion remains that the UK performed very poorly and nowhere near as well as we had a right to expect - beside that whether we were the worst or almost the worst doesn't seem to be very important or relevant.

Edited February 8, 2022 by Creative Midfielder

[Herman 9,817]

This is the sort of sleazy con trick that Trump and Johnson do. Throw out a lie, it sticks then gets talked about ad nauseum until it embeds itself into more and more people. And as has been proven over the years, there are many people that won't bother checking if it is true. Johnson has used Savile, his crimes and his victims for some nasty politicking. It's clever but is this how we want our country to be run?

[A Load of Squit 5,201]

22 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Saville was a personal friend of Prince Charles. If you think that Starmer did not take a close interest in the Saville case then you are a fool. But we know that already.

To be fair, he's not the one who thinks we sent tanks to Ukraine.

He's not the one who thinks Hitler was a socialist.

He's not the one who is running with a right wing conspiracy.

 

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

5 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

To be fair, he's not the one who thinks we sent tanks to Ukraine.

He's not the one who thinks Hitler was a socialist.

He's not the one who is running with a right wing conspiracy.

 

Good god, do you think the Establishment had no idea what Saville was doing? It was common knowledge for years in the entertainment industry, even as far back as when Saville was a local DJ in Leeds. But Saville was friends with some very powerful people like the person I mentioned above. It was a scurrilous attack on Starmer by Johnson. But not because Starmer did nothing or did not get involved, but because Starmer could not do anything, his hands were tied by Saville's connections and everyone including Johnson knew that.

[Herman 9,817]

The police ballsing up the initial investigations is where you should be looking.

[The Real Buh 3,455]

Look, everyone knew about Saville. there’s lots of dirty hands in that particular situation. Johnson had the Saville card in his back pocket for a while and it’s a sign of desperation that he used it, but it sticks. What Kier Starmer did to cps when he headed it up was disgraceful and paved the way for how totally ineffective it is now. It’s a massive part of why victims of crime don’t get justice on this country.

Funny that there’s no talk about why Kier Starmer is walking directly towards a group of hard-left protestors in Westminster? I’m sorry, it looks staged as hell. It’s a tell. As desperate as Johnson looked for “playing the Saville card” Starmer looks desperate for trying to super-victimise himself by walking into those protestors. Funny how the camera angles were just right? 🤔 

Johnsons and idiot, Starmers an idiot. Vote for either of them and guess what? So are you.

[horsefly 4,310]

9 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

Saville was a personal friend of Prince Charles. If you think that Starmer did not take a close interest in the Saville case then you are a fool. But we know that already.

He was also the personal friend of Margaret Thatcher. You clearly have no idea how the CPS works.

[Herman 9,817]

Hard left supporters??

 

Edited February 9, 2022 by Herman

[horsefly 4,310]

12 hours ago, Mark .Y. said:

Can you just not admit that it is a better measure ? 

I'm not arguing against all the horrendous errors of the Tory government, but you are using statistics that are fairly meaningless

If you think they are meaningless statistics I suggest you ask the families of those150,000+ families that have lost a loved one. Japan hasn't reached 20,000 deaths yet, and it has twice the population and is more densely populated. 

[Mark .Y. 352]

51 minutes ago, horsefly said:

If you think they are meaningless statistics I suggest you ask the families of those150,000+ families that have lost a loved one. Japan hasn't reached 20,000 deaths yet, and it has twice the population and is more densely populated. 

They are meaningless as comparison statistics.

You knew exactly what I meant, Bill.

[The Real Buh 3,455]

1 hour ago, Herman said:

Hard left supporters??

 

You do realise the tweet from Helen Spicer (?) is just a picture of some guy with Boris Johnson, yeah? No additional context at all. You don’t even realise you are doing it anymore do you?

The protestors are the same hard left protestors that are always outside Westminster. Piers Corbyn and the Julian Assange professional protestors posse. Neil Young was probably there as well trying to cling to relevancy. They weren’t there to specifically go for Starmer, they are always there moaning about one thing or another. Starmer chose to walk straight towards them, why? 
 

It’s straight out of the corporate Twitter damage control mentality handbook to make yourself a victim. It’s standard when you’ve been attacked. Makes you look weak as well though.

I’m sorry to see you’ve forgotten where the quote button is today as well, grandad. Although it is awfully convenient, it’s funny how that happens again and again. Hopefully the nurses can show you where it is after your morning blended philidephia blended bagel smoothie.

[horsefly 4,310]

1 hour ago, Mark .Y. said:

They are meaningless as comparison statistics.

You knew exactly what I meant, Bill.

Oh dear! resorting to the Bill nonsense again. BOTH forms of statistics are obviously meaningful. Why you would want to peddle nonsense that numbers of deaths is irrelevant compared with numbers of deaths per million of population is ridiculous. Perhaps you should address your concerns to the WHO, UN, and every other statistical organisation that continues to collect this "meaningless" data.

[Herman 9,817]

Boris Johnson bingo card time. 

[Barry Brockes 147]

 

How many more of these scandals can the odious oaf lie his way out of. 'The bloke in the photo is not really me - my staff hired a lookalike for the evening'?

New Partygate image shows Boris Johnson and open bottle of bubbly at No 10 Xmas quiz - Mirror Online

[Herman 9,817]

Who is Pippa's source? 🤣

And if you want a laugh listen out for the Dover MP Natalie Elphicke's question at PMQs. 

[Foxy2600 305]

6 hours ago, horsefly said:

He was also the personal friend of Margaret Thatcher. You clearly have no idea how the CPS works.

As you of course do….

[Mark .Y. 352]

3 hours ago, horsefly said:

Oh dear! resorting to the Bill nonsense again. BOTH forms of statistics are obviously meaningful. Why you would want to peddle nonsense that numbers of deaths is irrelevant compared with numbers of deaths per million of population is ridiculous. Perhaps you should address your concerns to the WHO, UN, and every other statistical organisation that continues to collect this "meaningless" data.

Oh dear, indeed

I'll say once again..........................

It's meaningless as a comparison statistic between countries, as clearly the total population will have a major effect on the number of deaths. Also, many countries record Covid-19 deaths in different ways from others. 

That doesn't mean it isn't a statistic worth knowing but it isn't comparable to others. I don't need to inform any of the quoted organisations as they won't be stupid enough to be using the figures to compare different countries.  

[horsefly 4,310]

5 minutes ago, Foxy2600 said:

As you of course do….

Enough to know how utterly absurd it would be to conclude that the Director of the CPS would have knowledge of every decision made by every one of 6000 staff. Only an absolute idiot would think that even remotely plausible.

[horsefly 4,310]

7 minutes ago, Mark .Y. said:

Oh dear, indeed

I'll say once again..........................

It's meaningless as a comparison statistic between countries, as clearly the total population will have a major effect on the number of deaths. Also, many countries record Covid-19 deaths in different ways from others. 

That doesn't mean it isn't a statistic worth knowing but it isn't comparable to others. I don't need to inform any of the quoted organisations as they won't be stupid enough to be using the figures to compare different countries.  

Christ almighty! I'll point out once again, a whole variety of statistical facts will be relevant to any complete comparison between countries. The overall death rate is one meaningful statistic among many. No one said anything different, least of all me.  It really isn't a difficult point to grasp. 

[Foxy2600 305]

1 hour ago, horsefly said:

Enough to know how utterly absurd it would be to conclude that the Director of the CPS would have knowledge of every decision made by every one of 6000 staff. Only an absolute idiot would think that even remotely plausible.

So you don’t work there then?

[Mark .Y. 352]

1 hour ago, horsefly said:

Christ almighty! I'll point out once again, a whole variety of statistical facts will be relevant to any complete comparison between countries. The overall death rate is one meaningful statistic among many. No one said anything different, least of all me.  It really isn't a difficult point to grasp. 

But the overall death rate isn't one of them, who would compare the overall death rate of, say the Netherlands, which has approximately a quarter of the UK population, and the UK itself - wouldn't make any sense and 99% of people can easily see that.        You seem unable to grasp the simplest of things.

I've really had enough of talking to you. I have no problem with others on here who may hold different opinions, views etc but you seem to me to be a condescending ego-maniac. 

If it talks like a Bill, writes like a Bill, and has a massively mistaken view of his own self-importance like a Bill, then......................  

[Icecream Snow 762]

2 hours ago, Barry Brockes said:

 

How many more of these scandals can the odious oaf lie his way out of. 'The bloke in the photo is not really me - my staff hired a lookalike for the evening'?

New Partygate image shows Boris Johnson and open bottle of bubbly at No 10 Xmas quiz - Mirror Online

Former No10 aide Dominic Cummings warned: "There's waaaaay better pics than that floating around, incl in the flat."

*munches popcorn*

[horsefly 4,310]

1 hour ago, Foxy2600 said:

So you don’t work there then?

Now try saying something relevant

[horsefly 4,310]

1 hour ago, Mark .Y. said:

But the overall death rate isn't one of them, who would compare the overall death rate of, say the Netherlands, which has approximately a quarter of the UK population, and the UK itself - wouldn't make any sense and 99% of people can easily see that.        You seem unable to grasp the simplest of things.

I've really had enough of talking to you. I have no problem with others on here who may hold different opinions, views etc but you seem to me to be a condescending ego-maniac. 

If it talks like a Bill, writes like a Bill, and has a massively mistaken view of his own self-importance like a Bill, then......................  

And yet again with the Bill crap because you have nothing sensible or intelligent to say. So let's take a look at my original post:

"Starmer had over 6000 staff in the CPS. Name me one director of 6000 staff who knows what each one of those is doing for every decision they make. Johnson was directly responsible for delaying responses to Covid 19 with the result we have the highest death total in the EU. An inquiry set up into the decision not to prosecute Saville found nothing at all for which Starmer personally could be held responsible. I look forward to a similar inquiry into the Covid 19 failures. In the meantime try reading the independent assessment of the "Full Fact" organisation re Starmer https://fullfact.org/online/keir-starmer-prosecute-jimmy-savile/"

The post was VERY OBVIOUSLY comparing aspects of the recent performance records of Starmer and Johnson in office. 

 It VERY OBVIOUSLY WAS NOT A POST ABOUT COVID. However, since you pathetically decided to make it so I'll point out that it is also very clear that NO ONE sane disputes that the UK has the highest death toll in Europe, nor that early decisions were bungled leading to many more deaths that could have been avoided. Most people on this site have the intelligence to know that countries of comparable size and economic wealth did considerably better than the UK re Covid 19; you clearly don't fall into that category. I even tried to help you out by pointing to the example of Japan which has twice the population and a higher population density, yet has not yet reached 20,000 deaths . However, you are not remotely interested in the facts so that was rather pointless. It's very hard not to be condescending to someone who so foolishly misses the whole point of the post and makes ridiculous comments as a result.