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[Yellow Fever 3,821]

Just seen the Mail front page..."SKS - Nuclear deterrent safe in my hands".

Sounds like that's the Mail wanting to be on the winning side. Very bad news for the Tories if even the Mail is now turning!

[Herman 9,820]

7 hours ago, Yellow Fever said:

Just seen the Mail front page..."SKS - Nuclear deterrent safe in my hands".

Sounds like that's the Mail wanting to be on the winning side. Very bad news for the Tories if even the Mail is now turning!

Very interesting. 👍

 

[KiwiScot 1,460]

Or the paper is printing the politics it's readers want regardless who says it

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

Thank goodness Labour has MPs with principles, not like those nasty Tories.

[KiwiScot 1,460]

14 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

Thank goodness Labour has MPs with principles, not like those nasty Tories.

Yes. It is. Also good to see in comparison how small the issue is to Tory ones.

[KiwiScot 1,460]

Btw can anyone with more brains tell me if this is good for economy?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/13/uk-non-doms-uk-labour-tax-plans

[A Load of Squit 5,215]

2 minutes ago, KiwiScot said:

Btw can anyone with more brains tell me if this is good for economy?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/13/uk-non-doms-uk-labour-tax-plans

In 21/22 there were 68,800 non-doms contributing £8.5 billion to the exchequer.

I don't have more brains that you, I just googled it. 😀

[A Load of Squit 5,215]

13 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

Thank goodness Labour has MPs with principles, not like those nasty Tories.

Last month the Conservative Party was fined over £10,000 for breaking electoral rules, as yet they haven't stepped down but there's a GE coming so we'll have to wait for the voters to tell them to p!ss off.

[Yellow Fever 3,821]

2 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

Last month the Conservative Party was fined over £10,000 for breaking electoral rules, as yet they haven't stepped down but there's a GE coming so we'll have to wait for the voters to tell them to p!ss off.

On that subject - latest You Gov poll

Voting Intention: Con 19%, Lab 45% (10-11 Apr 2024)

The latest YouGov/Times voting intention poll has the Conservatives on 19% (-1 from 2-3 April) while Labour are on 45% (+2).

Elsewhere, Reform UK are on 15% (-1), the Lib Dems are on 8% (no change) and the Greens are also on 7% (-1).

[BroadstairsR 2,202]

Will we be out of the frying pan into the fire when Labour gets in?

The current govt. is so inept though that fresh ideas and initiatives will be needed, at the very least.

The performance of Hollande in France and now Scholtz in Germany along with a few others in Europe means that alarm bells should sound, imo.

Extremes breed extremes, with more divisiveness and conflict. We don't seem to have a middle-ground or convincing alternative, though.

Edited April 13 by BroadstairsR

[Yellow Fever 3,821]

45 minutes ago, BroadstairsR said:

Will we be out of the frying pan into the fire when Labour gets in?

The current govt. is so inept though that fresh ideas and initiatives will be needed, at the very least.

The performance of Hollande in France and now Scholtz in Germany along with a few others in Europe means that alarm bells should sound, imo.

Extremes breed extremes, with more divisiveness and conflict. We don't seem to have a middle-ground or convincing alternative, though.

The biggest criticism of SKS seems to be he's too centrist i.e the middle ground for most people of the old left. 

I don't quite know where that must position you.

[BroadstairsR 2,202]

18 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

The biggest criticism of SKS seems to be he's too centrist i.e the middle ground for most people of the old left. 

I don't quite know where that must position you.

I don't know either then, unless it's your attempt to pin some sort of label on me.

Starmer is trying to please everybody. His tactics seems to be working and at least he has abandoned his support for Corbyn.

It's not just about Starmer though is it?

A massive Labour majority could bring in all shades of red.

His chosen cabinet will tell us more.

Edited April 13 by BroadstairsR

[Herman 9,820]

We've had all shades of blue for nearly 15 years and they have trashed the country, from its economy through to its institutions. If you are worried about Starmer and his cabinet then you haven't been paying attention.

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

8 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

Last month the Conservative Party was fined over £10,000 for breaking electoral rules, as yet they haven't stepped down but there's a GE coming so we'll have to wait for the voters to tell them to p!ss off.

£10k is about what Angela Rayner is being investigated for. So she is as corrupt as the whole tory party put together! But dont worry, nothing will happen to her, too many people getting a leg over it 

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

8 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

In 21/22 there were 68,800 non-doms contributing £8.5 billion to the exchequer.

I don't have more brains that you, I just googled it. 😀

And as happened in the past, the non-doms will move to another country, such as Ireland, where they have non-dom status and will therefore pay less tax into the exchequer

[Herman 9,820]

The Rayner story is a conflicting one. Compared to the epic and obvious corruption and tax dodging of the scumbags pushing the story it is very trivial. But she does attack a lot and will get people wanting to find out if she is a hypocrite. It needs to be Investigated to kill or cure. 

I like her and love a working class person giving the posh boys a kicking but she should have cleared this up a while ago. Let's hope it's a Daily Mail loss but we'll have to wait and see. 

[Fen Canary 866]

2 hours ago, Herman said:

The Rayner story is a conflicting one. Compared to the epic and obvious corruption and tax dodging of the scumbags pushing the story it is very trivial. But she does attack a lot and will get people wanting to find out if she is a hypocrite. It needs to be Investigated to kill or cure. 

I like her and love a working class person giving the posh boys a kicking but she should have cleared this up a while ago. Let's hope it's a Daily Mail loss but we'll have to wait and see. 

In terms of the alleged tax dodging itself it’s fairly minimal. However as you’ve pointed out she’s usually the first to go on the all out attack on any slight hint of Tory sleaze irrespective of how minor so she can’t really complain when the opposition gleefully return the favour.

If you’re going to be as combative as Rayner then you really should make sure  you’re whiter than white otherwise you leave yourself open to accusations of hypocrisy, which in many peoples eyes would be worse than conning the tax man out of a couple of grand.

My money is Starmer will use this as an opportunity to sideline her and the left of the party in general, so we’ll have another 5 years of Blair/Cameron/Sunak centrist managerialism 

[Herman 9,820]

7 minutes ago, Fen Canary said:

In terms of the alleged tax dodging itself it’s fairly minimal. However as you’ve pointed out she’s usually the first to go on the all out attack on any slight hint of Tory sleaze irrespective of how minor so she can’t really complain when the opposition gleefully return the favour.

If you’re going to be as combative as Rayner then you really should make sure  you’re whiter than white otherwise you leave yourself open to accusations of hypocrisy, which in many peoples eyes would be worse than conning the tax man out of a couple of grand.

My money is Starmer will use this as an opportunity to sideline her and the left of the party in general, so we’ll have another 5 years of Blair/Cameron/Sunak centrist managerialism 

I guess Starmer would not be too upset if she is forced out by this. It's not by his hands so he can't get criticism from his own side either. 

[Aggy 766]

10 hours ago, Herman said:

We've had all shades of blue for nearly 15 years and they have trashed the country, from its economy through to its institutions. If you are worried about Starmer and his cabinet then you haven't been paying attention.

Certainly can’t be any worse and you’d hope there’d be fewer ‘controversies’ at least. I’m not convinced there’ll be as much change as we would like, partly because there isn’t the money to do it but partly because I’m not entirely convinced by the current Labour Party leadership either. 

[Well b back 3,276]

6 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

And as happened in the past, the non-doms will move to another country, such as Ireland, where they have non-dom status and will therefore pay less tax into the exchequer

That’s good news surely if that means the likes of Sunak f****** off

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

1 hour ago, Well b back said:

That’s good news surely if that means the likes of Sunak f****** off

It's not good news if £8.5 billion f**** off with them. That means you and I will be making up the shortfall.

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

3 hours ago, Aggy said:

Certainly can’t be any worse and you’d hope there’d be fewer ‘controversies’ at least. I’m not convinced there’ll be as much change as we would like, partly because there isn’t the money to do it but partly because I’m not entirely convinced by the current Labour Party leadership either. 

Yep, it will be much like current lot. they will be dealing with the same mess and using the same tools, so the outcome is bound to be pretty similar to today.

[Herman 9,820]

9 hours ago, Aggy said:

Certainly can’t be any worse and you’d hope there’d be fewer ‘controversies’ at least. I’m not convinced there’ll be as much change as we would like, partly because there isn’t the money to do it but partly because I’m not entirely convinced by the current Labour Party leadership either. 

My hope is that they will be a bit more radical once in power and are just being overly cautious to not scare the horses. My fear is that they will carry on doing nothing to upset the right wing press and end up doing nothing of note. 

[TheGunnShow 5,993]

If non-doms are evading tax then aren't they basically leeches anyway?

[KiwiScot 1,460]

On 13/04/2024 at 09:44, A Load of Squit said:

In 21/22 there were 68,800 non-doms contributing £8.5 billion to the exchequer.

I don't have more brains that you, I just googled it. 😀

Google it Pah. Let's coin a phrase. Pinkun it

[A Load of Squit 5,215]

14 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

£10k is about what Angela Rayner is being investigated for. So she is as corrupt as the whole tory party put together! But dont worry, nothing will happen to her, too many people getting a leg over it 

It's no where near £10K.

You never post anything that stands up to any scrutiny.

Edited April 14 by A Load of Squit

[BroadstairsR 2,202]

20 hours ago, Herman said:

We've had all shades of blue for nearly 15 years and they have trashed the country, from its economy through to its institutions. If you are worried about Starmer and his cabinet then you haven't been paying attention.

Is that so?

[Herman 9,820]

I bet Angela Rayner is relieved that World War 3 has kicked off.

 

 

 

[dylanisabaddog 4,975]

On 13/04/2024 at 18:23, Herman said:

The Rayner story is a conflicting one. Compared to the epic and obvious corruption and tax dodging of the scumbags pushing the story it is very trivial. But she does attack a lot and will get people wanting to find out if she is a hypocrite. It needs to be Investigated to kill or cure. 

I like her and love a working class person giving the posh boys a kicking but she should have cleared this up a while ago. Let's hope it's a Daily Mail loss but we'll have to wait and see. 

I doubt Starmer is overly bothered, in fact he may be glad to see the back of her.

But if she nominated the house in question as her main residence for CGT purposes then there are no tax implications. She has made it quite clear there is no tax due. 

Using that address on electoral papers is no big deal really. She owned the property and no one else lived there. Bearing in mind that her children are escorted to school by the police every day she may claim to have done it for security reasons. The thing that annoys me is that the time limit for prosecuting the offence she is alleged to have committed has long passed. The Conservative Party know that full well but have still asked the police to investigate a crime for which they are unable to prosecute. What a ridiculous waste of time and resources. 

But as others have pointed out, if you live in a greenhouse you really shouldn't throw stones. I doubt she's done much, if anything, wrong but I'm sure there'll be much more of this sort of thing. We know there are some extremely dubious people in the Conservative Party and I'd be surprised if there weren't a few on the other side of the fence. We've probably got a few months left of this sort of nonsense which pretty much sums up the state of the country at the moment. Very depressing. 

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

On 14/04/2024 at 09:46, Herman said:

I bet Angela Rayner is relieved that World War 3 has kicked off.

 

 

 

Perhaps she started it, Hermie?