New Labour Leader

[Jools 584]

Labour nutters are at it again:

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

6 minutes ago, Jools said:

Labour nutters are at it again:

Explain why they are nutters apart from not social distancing.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

13 minutes ago, Jools said:

Labour's arrogance knows no bounds:

If you care to research, you will find that the issue was about Greenbelt and the quote is not sour grapes about losing but voters ignoring zoning problems.

But there again, who gives a monkey about greenbelt

[Jools 584]

11 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

who gives a monkey about greenbelt

I care about the greenbelt immensely, which is why I'm against mass immigration and the increase in infrastructure it entails -- Labour are pro-mass immigration...

I'm also pro-Israel and support their survival, which is why I believe those Palestinian protestors are nutters...

Palestinians will never accept Israel, no matter what land they're allocated -- The Labour Party are pro-Palestine and anti-Semitic. 

Edited May 9, 2021 by Jools

[Herman 9,819]

"....no matter what land they're allocated."

It was their land. Do some research.

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

Labour cares more about Palestine than grooming gangs that have roamed freely in vast swathes of the country and particularly in the north. Because police, courts and social services have all failed their communities while Labour refuses to acknowledge systemic rape unless it is carried by a white American grifter over which they have no control. 

Working people are not stupid. They know what is happening in their communities. They know how it started, they know who is responsible for its continuation and they know who Labour prefers to protect. Emery gets it. Pinkun posters don't. 

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

9 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Labour cares more about Palestine than grooming gangs that have roamed freely in vast swathes of the country and particularly in the north. Because police, courts and social services have all failed their communities while Labour refuses to acknowledge systemic rape unless it is carried by a white American grifter over which they have no control. 

Working people are not stupid. They know what is happening in their communities. They know how it started, they know who is responsible for its continuation and they know who Labour prefers to protect. Emery gets it. Pinkun posters don't. 

You and Jools are the most ill informed and most black and white people.

You read a Daily Mail headline and believe every word of it.

Which Government has overseen the decline in numbers of Police, miltsry, NHS staff?t

Israel is a land grabber just to satisfy its growing needs. Very much what Germany did in the 30s. In fact, they are echoing Nzai Germany. And don't call me anti semitic, I am part Jewish. I applauded them in 1967, but now Israel is no better than terrorists.

And for Jools to say Palestinians should be "allocated" land, smacks of stupid, bigoted racism.

And you allude to grooming gangs in the North. Why didn't you just say Muslim. And what about White British grooming gangs from the South?

Bigoted racists the pair of you.

[Jools 584]

44 minutes ago, Herman said:

"....no matter what land they're allocated."

It was their land. Do some research.

The US was built on Native Americans' lands and Australia on Aboriginal Lands etc, etc...

Are you suggesting that everybody who isn't indigenous to a country f*ck off out of it?

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

6 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

You and Jools are the most ill informed and most black and white people.

You read a Daily Mail headline and believe every word of it.

Which Government has overseen the decline in numbers of Police, miltsry, NHS staff?t

Israel is a land grabber just to satisfy its growing needs. Very much what Germany did in the 30s. In fact, they are echoing Nzai Germany. And don't call me anti semitic, I am part Jewish. I applauded them in 1967, but now Israel is no better than terrorists.

And for Jools to say Palestinians should be "allocated" land, smacks of stupid, bigoted racism.

And you allude to grooming gangs in the North. Why didn't you just say Muslim. And what about White British grooming gangs from the South?

Bigoted racists the pair of you.

Your little rant probably makes you feel less hurt about being a serial loser at elections. Easy to throw out terms like bigoted racists from the comfort of your armchair. Enjoy Hartlepool because you created it. 

[Jools 584]

8 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Bigoted racists the pair of you.

There's nothing bigoted or racist about stating known truths, Grandpapa...

In fact people like you could be construed as racist because you constantly bring up the subject of race and you do it when you're losing or have lost an argument.

[Herman 9,819]

This may explain the evening rants.

 

[Jools 584]

9 minutes ago, Herman said:

This may explain the evening rants.

 

Do you seriously regard RtB and myself as Far-right?

The Guardian and Antifa, who are everything but Anti-Facist, should take little comfort out of the fact that the Right voted for the conservatives.

Edited May 9, 2021 by Jools

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

16 minutes ago, Jools said:

The US was built on Native Americans' lands and Australia on Aboriginal Lands etc, etc...

Are you suggesting that everybody who isn't indigenous to a country f*ck off out of it?

Funny how you use those analogies. Two of the most racist countries to their indigenous people.

And Israel actively annexes land that the UN says is illegal. Just like their nuclear weapons.

and **** me, you are the nationalist who wanted your country back. Remember?

You have more faces than the town hall clock

[Mello Yello 2,302]

Keir today.....gone tomorrow......

[ricardo 7,396]

Britons, Romans, Saxons, Vikings, Normans, Dutch and French religious refugees. 

Seems like some parts of me should be apologising to other parts. The past can't  be changed.

[Herman 9,819]

52 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Britons, Romans, Saxons, Vikings, Normans, Dutch and French religious refugees, West Indians, Indians, Pakistanis. 

Seems like some parts of me should be apologising to other parts. The past can't  be changed.

 

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

2 hours ago, ricardo said:

Britons, Romans, Saxons, Vikings, Normans, Dutch and French religious refugees. 

Seems like some parts of me should be apologising to other parts. The past can't  be changed.

As cannot some peoples attitude. If we are to believe Boris is all singing and dancing then it has to encompass more than if you aren't with me then tough.

[PurpleCanary 5,580]

8 hours ago, PurpleCanary said:

Just to add, most voters, even those who follow politics, don't decide on the detail of policies but on general feelings and to an extent on personalities. And Labour has benefited from this in the past just as the Tories have done. As with Blair winning because the public decided the Tories were mired in sleaze and had been in power too long.

This now is not that. A few years back a frequent liar with a record of staggering incompetence (arguably the worst foreign secretary since world war one and a buffoon of a mayor of London) would not have been tolerated by their own party, let alone the electorate. Yet, as Herman says, with the help of jingoistic media, Johnson has somehow pulled of a trick of illusion and misdirection a magician would be proud of. Black is white and bad is good.

It helps (and this was also the case with Trump) if you have absolutely no shame and regard morality as something only suckers and losers - the little people - care about.

A final confirmatory addition for tonight. This from The Spectator's deputy political editor:

 One MP goes so far as to argue that the row over who paid for expensive gold wallpaper in the Downing Street flat may have even helped. “People like that Boris is a character,” they contend.

There is an obvious danger of being too pofaced about this but anyone who cares about politics in the UK, whether on the right or the left or in the centre, ought to be alarmed by that claim, not least because it is all too believable.

If you want someone to deliver a risqué speech at a wedding, or open the local fete, then a 'character' is a decent fallback choice. But hardly for PM of a G7 country, and especially not when as in this case 'character' is defined as being in the top one per cent of earners in the country, with two rent-free homes, but still spending money you don't have and then touching up even wealthier people for the dosh.

[Fen Canary 863]

5 hours ago, Herman said:

This may explain the evening rants.

 

According to many on here, and indeed numerous contributors to the Guardian, Britain is a racist, bigoted place, yet it appears that yet again the far right enjoys no support at all, and indeed haven’t as far back as I can remember. In fact we seem to be one of the few European nations where the far right fails at every election, compared to Le Pen in France, the AfD in Germany, Vox is Spain etc

[Herman 9,819]

Maybe pay attention to what the government are doing Fen.

[Fen Canary 863]

26 minutes ago, Herman said:

Maybe pay attention to what the government are doing Fen.

I have been, and I don’t recall a single policy that I’d describe as far right. 

[Herman 9,819]

They're a bit more subtle than that. Plenty of dog whistling, jingoism, gunboats and flag-shagging to satiate most on the right of the spectrum. Not enough for the real extremists but enough for the vast majority of nationalists.

[Fen Canary 863]

5 minutes ago, Herman said:

They're a bit more subtle than that. Plenty of dog whistling, jingoism, gunboats and flag-shagging to satiate most on the right of the spectrum. Not enough for the real extremists but enough for the vast majority of nationalists.

So there’s nothing that most of the country would class as far right then? Thought as much 

[Mello Yello 2,302]

Snowflakes are upset because the weather's gettin' warmer.....and the sky's are Blue......

 

[Herman 9,819]

12 minutes ago, Fen Canary said:

So there’s nothing that most of the country would class as far right then? Thought as much 

You just don't want to see it. 

[Fen Canary 863]

38 minutes ago, Herman said:

You just don't want to see it. 

I’ll happily look at it if you care to point it out. I want examples

[nevermind, neoliberalism has had it 159]

2 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

So there’s nothing that most of the country would class as far right then? Thought as much 

Don't worry, Starmer is one of the new right, and a failure. He is as, or more, dangerous than B.Napoleon Johnson. His purge yesterday proves that he has nothing learned from this set of elections, nor has the media and the oligarch lovies Blair and Mandelson.

Blairs dad was a paid up Conservative and his education and his handlers left no option but the destruction of Clause 4 at his hands, and people cheered him to the rafters, not all of them, but a majority. These Blairites who hardly talked of socialism and blinded Labour with economic prowess and some borrowing, mind the moneytree orchard now discovered make them look like amateurs, clearly failed.

This is not personal anymore to me as Labour has finished leaving thousands of young people who started to believe that Corbyns ideas of a new green deal and focusing on voters, not on moneymen, not on going to war and or wagging America's tail, had something of a future to offer them, they were betrayed by Starmer and still are.

His reshuffle is nothing but a rejection of his own guilt in the affair, it is pathetic to think that re ordeing the deckchairs would stop the Titanics fire in its coal bunkers weakening the structure.

Only a brand new party focusing on voters and their needs in future will do now. A new party that does not rely on power hungry careerists,  but on young dedicated people that care about communities as their main goal, a party that rejects centralism and returns accountable power to the regions, a party that has a mechanism to stop corruption and nepotism in all of its functions can now get us over this shambles of red and blue Tories lying cheating and self serving at Westminster, enthralled by those who can't get enough and who pay very little.

That all of this denigrating and directing of social discourse, still under emergency regulations, and failure at the ballot box, some 27% of people voted in Norfolk, can still be blamed on Jeremy Corbyn, is calling us stupid.

Modern fascism is now getting serious with voters and triple lock pensions will not be featuring much, a long lost and never recovered social care policy still kicking around in the long grass, no mental health care reform, no action on climate change, not from the Government or the banks who still back the extraction of fossil fuels here, and in the world, makes for a toxic mix.

If those hungry fed by more foodbanks than we have golden arch fast food purveyors, will ever get more hungry and agriculture, already hampered by unusual weather and chaotic occurrences, can't grow food, whilst we are cutting off our markets and letting food rot in the Fenlands for lack of Labour, then the situation will become explosive.

Both Starmer and B.Napoleon Johnson want to allow large scale emigration from Hong Kong and giving young vaccinated Indians, anybody want to buy a vax passport?, access to work here, even with no job offers, solving their problems of providing a cheap workforce for their cronies, so do not worry too much about the big rubber immigration stick, it can beat those coming here in dinghies or from EU countries hard, but those anointed by our dear leaders will be able to solve our economic needs.....

we need a political revolution and a fair proportional voting system at its base.

[PurpleCanary 5,580]

16 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

You and Jools are the most ill informed and most black and white people.

You read a Daily Mail headline and believe every word of it.

Which Government has overseen the decline in numbers of Police, miltsry, NHS staff?t

Israel is a land grabber just to satisfy its growing needs. Very much what Germany did in the 30s. In fact, they are echoing Nzai Germany. And don't call me anti semitic, I am part Jewish. I applauded them in 1967, but now Israel is no better than terrorists.

And for Jools to say Palestinians should be "allocated" land, smacks of stupid, bigoted racism.

And you allude to grooming gangs in the North. Why didn't you just say Muslim. And what about White British grooming gangs from the South?

Bigoted racists the pair of you.

It might help to give the wording of the Balfour Declaration, by the then British foreign secretary, which was used as justification for the Jewish people to move to Palestine:

'His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.'

There are three points to make about that. Supposedly Balfour almost immediately regretted the declaration, because he saw trouble ahead. Secondly, the declaration refers to  a 'national home' rather than a 'national state'. Thirdly, and presumably why Balfour foresaw trouble, whatever one thinks about the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine, it clearly has extremely prejudiced the rights of the non-Jews who were then and are now living there.

[Herman 9,819]

5 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

I’ll happily look at it if you care to point it out. I want examples

I fell into the trap of your usual obfuscation and twisting. 

Read the bloody article. 

[Mello Yello 2,302]

Burnham.....mmh.....Wonder if he's keen to be the next leader of the 'others'?......