BigFish 1,988 Posted September 22, 2020 1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said: So do you disagree with anything in the letter ? 1 hour ago, BigFish said: Doesn't address NI, Fishing, Level Playing Field, State Aid.......... If you tried reading and understanding @SwindonCanary this would go much quicker. I will explain THE LETTER DOES NOT ADDRESS ANY OF THE KEY ISSUES. In effect it was worthless, it has been discussed and did not move negotiations forward. It is no longer valid, it is an ex-letter, it had ceased to be, it has joined the choir invisible. Frost needs to pull his finger out and explain where the EU/UK border will be regarding NI, what State Aid rules the UK want, what mechanism the UK wants on managing changes in standards & what the is fishery plan that the UK wants. NONE OF THIS IS IN THE LETTER. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,825 Posted September 22, 2020 56 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said: Actually SC she gave-away nothing, signed nothing, agreed nothing. That current problems - the WA are all of your own making and your hero Johnson. Now grow a pair and own them. Precisely. She said that no PM would agree to this WA and Johnson decided he would and signed it, ratified it and won an election with it. If brexiters did the details they would not have to keep digging themselves out of the holes they put themselves in. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,834 Posted September 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Herman said: Precisely. She said that no PM would agree to this WA and Johnson decided he would and signed it, ratified it and won an election with it. If brexiters did the details they would not have to keep digging themselves out of the holes they put themselves in. Trouble is the Brexiteers never do their homework or listen to anybody knowledgeable. They didn't shore up the hole they dug and now it's collapsed on them, burying them alive. Now they want somebody i.e. the EU to help dig them out...... That's a hard one.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted September 22, 2020 25 minutes ago, BigFish said: If you tried reading and understanding @SwindonCanary this would go much quicker. I will explain THE LETTER DOES NOT ADDRESS ANY OF THE KEY ISSUES. In effect it was worthless, it has been discussed and did not move negotiations forward. It is no longer valid, it is an ex-letter, it had ceased to be, it has joined the choir invisible. Frost needs to pull his finger out and explain where the EU/UK border will be regarding NI, what State Aid rules the UK want, what mechanism the UK wants on managing changes in standards & what the is fishery plan that the UK wants. NONE OF THIS IS IN THE LETTER. He writes at the start of it We are making the texts public as a constructive contribution to the negotiations, and in particular as a response to your suggestions in the last two Rounds that it would help you explain our proposals in more detail to Member States. We are very clear that we are not seeking to negotiate directly with Member States and that it is for you, as the EU’s negotiator, to manage any differences of perspective that may emerge. I hope that today’s publication will facilitate that work and clear up any misunderstandings about the purpose and effect of what we have put to you. I would like to make three specific points that may help in that process Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigFish 1,988 Posted September 22, 2020 2 hours ago, SwindonCanary said: He writes at the start of it We are making the texts public as a constructive contribution to the negotiations, and in particular as a response to your suggestions in the last two Rounds that it would help you explain our proposals in more detail to Member States. We are very clear that we are not seeking to negotiate directly with Member States and that it is for you, as the EU’s negotiator, to manage any differences of perspective that may emerge. I hope that today’s publication will facilitate that work and clear up any misunderstandings about the purpose and effect of what we have put to you. I would like to make three specific points that may help in that process So what. Did this answer any of the unanswered questions? Frost seems under the impression that Barnier is some how keeping the UK position from the EU member states. I will let you into a secret, they speak English, they follow the UK press, they know Johnson for what he is, an incompetent, lazy, liar who cannot be trusted. They, and we, are still waiting for the UK negotiating team to say what they want, rather than what they don't want. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted September 22, 2020 (edited) This all sounds very positive. Failure of the EU to plan indeed. 😄 Read this thread - https://twitter.com/Joe_Mayes/status/1308448260747669504 Edited September 22, 2020 by Surfer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,192 Posted September 22, 2020 31 minutes ago, Surfer said: This all sounds very positive. Failure of the EU to plan indeed. 😄 Read this thread - https://twitter.com/Joe_Mayes/status/1308448260747669504 But when warned of possible delays at the borders, the brexiteers said it was project fear and quoted stories from port officials in France saying they were ready Another change of story! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,192 Posted September 22, 2020 .... Speaking of ports Dover awaiting brexit infrastructure funds Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonyc 5,541 Posted September 22, 2020 Report here published this evening. It considers many of the implications of no deal. And some won't be beneficial to (some) older Brexit supporters. https://ukandeu.ac.uk/no-deal-brexit-risks-queues-at-the-border-and-food-shortages-new-academic-report-finds/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,825 Posted September 23, 2020 Who'd have thought it would be the Daily Star that would be the paper to hold the government to account? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,221 Posted September 23, 2020 Follow the money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,221 Posted September 23, 2020 Failing Grayling, just got a £100k deal advising ports, be afraid everyone, be afraid. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brexit-grayling-seaborne-freight-ferries_uk_5f6a276dc5b68400a231dc3f?ncid=other_twitter_cooo9wqtham&utm_campaign=share_twitter&guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvL2ZRYkFBQnJYd0k_YW1wPTE&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAC2I8xXuy1aX66ToN9Y3v5h7EGG8AISQa-j0qt5yVtWCX5w7c2J2nrXk9DHRx6d0SVxMvtRpnmyQ_6avuesW35sFuuL25y6L6VPumB7VHJEp4LlCn760cIzyBFpH9jixSCoBUOL4t4v6cXwq5N0chMj-rXMrtkgdc4Asb9OB-COI Brexit Ferry Firm Hired By Chris Grayling Despite Having No Ships Goes Bust, Owing £2m Seaborne Freight was infamously given a £13.8m contract to run ferry services by the then-transport secretary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,825 Posted September 23, 2020 You need that clip of Father Dougal taking a funeral service. 😄 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-barnier/eu-chief-negotiator-determined-to-get-brexit-deal-idUKKCN26E1G9 https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/news/article/uk-makes-robust-defence-of-its-brexit-talks-stance-still-hopes-to-reach-deal-in-octoberan Edited September 23, 2020 by SwindonCanary another link Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,825 Posted September 23, 2020 .. breach of international law. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted September 23, 2020 https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Feutoday.net%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2F2020%2Fdemise-of-eu-negotiator-michel-bernier%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1I6yzx3AQhy-8L9yMYOaiZlmOO8umA66NGzEvaSQ0vetWdSTZOwov702g&h=AT1P2vjUaDt0JYHwjmJ0IRu5Pg8QuJXwqd107lSPcZfh0x09yLeO1AB9HC0NUE3t6nzS_lrbhxz_ygmH2TidiAaKz-mb3IK5xI2IzRPS_f67nkSl_gYKX9Q64YYszhup8PiE&__tn__=H-R&c[0]=AT2HDuoi6v0ia1fVFKY9z3MNkbqSjCZQ9yt8uN8OakcFPIpAhtwCL2Nt1b_yQQygvY4pHF3a1Si3j3nyQ4ksP56A304t6epVDBEaBG6cdfFdGI_DS44lnE8-O1XBRuuTdcgEOglKZl0gE6853xpFQFqo8nfcixaA9KceAMF3rhsogkX3YSGBdcjTRfq2fO0ZWmUldJbvHo_6WzzojSedvkxGzgFi8Cah1SnkrwKyvXV84snFXy7utozMgp39wEzmwNW1JY6xN2TQFRdNBZK26w Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) And now we have Gove in the House saying up to 60% of trucks from the UK to France may be held up or turned back because companies have not properly prepared for the new customs paperwork created by Brexit, when the government hasn’t yet actually told those companies what specifically they need to be ready for ..... ...... and now the mandatory Kent Access Pass all trucks will require to proceed to a port will be enforced by the Police? Does that not sound like an internal border? Swindon? Edited September 23, 2020 by Surfer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,825 Posted September 23, 2020 We definitely voted for a border in Kent. Not just on the sea side of Kent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rock The Boat 1,332 Posted September 23, 2020 7 hours ago, A Load of Squit said: Follow the money. And Unilever moving its HQ from Netherlands to UK. It works both ways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,834 Posted September 23, 2020 Kent - The Garden Lorry Park of England Kent - God's Brexiteers home forsaken county. Well they knew what they were voting for. 😉 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,825 Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Yellow Fever said: Kent - The Garden Lorry Park of England Kent - God's Brexiteers home forsaken county. Well they knew what they were voting for. 😉 #Kexit is trending on twitter.🤣 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,192 Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Herman said: #Kexit is trending on twitter.🤣 Kexit - Kentonline Anyone here from Kent? Work or travel to Kent regularly? I lived near Maidstone for 9 years, Wadhurst (just over the "border") for 5 years and near Sevenoaks for 4 years The company I worked for is based in Aylesford, I regularly had jobs in Ashford and Dover If I ever return to the UK, Kent is where I have my business contacts and where I would have thought my best opportunity of work was If any of this travel disruption comes to pass, it would have screwed me royally had I still been there We need an FTA, the one we were told was the easiest deal in history Tick Tock Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted September 23, 2020 just look at that, Labour are now less popular than when Corbyn was in charge ! A Mori poll after Starmer's latest speech has Labour 11% lower than when Corbyn was in charge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,825 Posted September 23, 2020 https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/ipsos-mori-political-monitor-more-see-keir-starmer-capable-and-having-sound-judgement-boris-johnson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,221 Posted September 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: just look at that, Labour are now less popular than when Corbyn was in charge ! A Mori poll after Starmer's latest speech has Labour 11% lower than when Corbyn was in charge. Got anymore straws to grasp at? The number is also higher than at the height of ‘Corbynmania’ when the left-wing leader polled at 46 percent. Sir Keir also ranked highly against his opposite number Boris Johnson in a number of attributes, but was found wanting in others. The poll found 44 percent thought Sir Keir is a capable leader compared to 37 percent for the Prime Minister, 43 percent thought he had a sound judgement compared to 30 percent for Mr Johnson, and 36 percent believed Sir Keir is more honest than most politicians, with Mr Johnson trailing on 27 percent. However, Sir Keir came up short in other categories, 68 percent said Mr Johnson is patriotic compared to 43 percent, and on having a lot of personality Mr Johnson ranked at 67 percent compared to 25 percent for Sir Keir. https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1338776/keir-starmer-news-labour-party-conference-poll-Jeremy-corbyn-boris-Johnson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted September 24, 2020 All you lot are saying what will happen if there's a no deal, give it a rest, there will be a deal. The EU are running scared of going WTO Terms because that would expose them to International Courts and Arbitrations. They don't like it. The US took them to WTO Arbitration and won. 99% of the time, anyone who takes the EU to the WTO Arbitration wins there's no way the EU will leave without a deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,315 Posted September 24, 2020 10 hours ago, SwindonCanary said: just look at that, Labour are now less popular than when Corbyn was in charge ! A Mori poll after Starmer's latest speech has Labour 11% lower than when Corbyn was in charge. Do tell us what this has to do with the utter F***up of the current Brexsh*t negotiations. You wouldn't be trying to distract attention from that by any chance 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,825 Posted September 24, 2020 The EU won't be going to WTO terms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted September 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Herman said: The EU won't be going to WTO terms. What's the alternative if there's a no deal ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites