Daz Sparks 1,154 Posted February 11 26 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said: I think you need a really good think regarding your views on Trump. It's one thing to bemoan what we might think the problems are in our own societies, but our privilege to do so stems from being part of the group of democratic states of which the US is the principal guarantor. What he did on January 6th was treason. Now he's standing in rallies waffling about encouraging Vladimir Putin to attack NATO countries 'who don't pay'. He believes in nothing other than his own self agrandissement. He's a vain fool and the biggest threat to us going. Well, here is some common ground for us LYB. Trump is without doubt, the biggest threat to global security since the 1930s, and whilst I understand some of the viewpoints surrounding him and his supporters, it does not detract from the aforementioned. As you say, he is interest is only self, and as such his world extremely small and simple for him. I hang on to the hope that he doesn't win another term. If he does, God preserve us is what the religious among would say. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,395 Posted February 11 3 hours ago, horsefly said: It now couldn't be clearer: ANYONE supporting Trump to become president is a TRAITOR willing to imperil the security of the UK and our European allies: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-encourages-russia-to-attack-non-paying-nato-allies/ar-BB1i6j4D Donald Trump says he would "encourage" Russia to attack any Nato member that fails to pay its bills as part of the Western military alliance. He said he had once told a Nato leader he would not protect a nation behind on its payments if it came under Russian attack, and would urge the aggressors to "do whatever they hell they want". He is merely keying in to what most Americans think. Why should their tax dollars go to defending NATO countries that won't pay enough to defend themselves. Hence we now see countries scrambling to get their military spending up to scratch. It certainly seems to have frightened them into action. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daz Sparks 1,154 Posted February 11 51 minutes ago, ricardo said: He is merely keying in to what most Americans think. Why should their tax dollars go to defending NATO countries that won't pay enough to defend themselves. Hence we now see countries scrambling to get their military spending up to scratch. It certainly seems to have frightened them into action. Putin invading their neighbours may also have something to do with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,300 Posted February 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, ricardo said: He is merely keying in to what most Americans think. Why should their tax dollars go to defending NATO countries that won't pay enough to defend themselves. Hence we now see countries scrambling to get their military spending up to scratch. It certainly seems to have frightened them into action. Nope! He actually ENCOURAGED Russia to attack NATO countries. That goes way beyond saying NATO countries need to pay their fair share. US politicians have long recognised that a secure Europe is essential to their own interest in preserving the authority of a democratic free world. Empowering a dictatorship that has 1000s of nuclear warheads trained on the USA would be a disaster for American security, and indeed for its economic wellbeing. There's a good reason why every dictator in the world wants captain Bone Spurs to win the presidency; they know full well it would amount to a license to persecute and invade at will. For Trump; Putin, Kim Jong Un, and Xi Jinping are not enemies, they are his role models. A Trump victory would see an explosion of conflicts around the world, and a very real risk of another world war breaking out. Whether we like it or not, America's traditional role as the policeman of the free world has prevented escalation of local conflicts into a world war. The surrender of that role in the guise of "America First" is both delusional and threat to to world safety. Edited February 11 by horsefly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,300 Posted February 11 And now the senile old fool has called 9/11 Seven/11. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,767 Posted February 11 This is a perfect thread and pretty much sums up trump (and his supporters). Apologies if posted before. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,395 Posted February 11 29 minutes ago, Herman said: This is a perfect thread and pretty much sums up trump (and his supporters). Apologies if posted before. It's not our electorate that he has to appeal to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,786 Posted February 11 1 hour ago, horsefly said: Nope! He actually ENCOURAGED Russia to attack NATO countries. That goes way beyond saying NATO countries need to pay their fair share. US politicians have long recognised that a secure Europe is essential to their own interest in preserving the authority of a democratic free world. Empowering a dictatorship that has 1000s of nuclear warheads trained on the USA would be a disaster for American security, and indeed for its economic wellbeing. There's a good reason why every dictator in the world wants captain Bone Spurs to win the presidency; they know full well it would amount to a license to persecute and invade at will. For Trump; Putin, Kim Jong Un, and Xi Jinping are not enemies, they are his role models. A Trump victory would see an explosion of conflicts around the world, and a very real risk of another world war breaking out. Whether we like it or not, America's traditional role as the policeman of the free world has prevented escalation of local conflicts into a world war. The surrender of that role in the guise of "America First" is both delusional and threat to to world safety. The simple fact is that whatever other NATO countries spend the trust would be forever broken with Trump, that an attack on one is an attack on all - would be honoured. What I foresee is a mad dash to nuclear arm many more 'Western' looking countries - Poland, Japan, Korea even Sweden etc. They would feel they need their own absolute security or deterrent in extremis. Oddly, that's pretty much exactly why the UK and France have such! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,767 Posted February 11 30 minutes ago, ricardo said: It's not our electorate that he has to appeal to. That's the level of insight you'll only get with the Pink 'Un. Worth every penny.😉 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barbe bleu 826 Posted February 11 8 hours ago, Daz Sparks said: Well, here is some common ground for us LYB. Trump is without doubt, the biggest threat to global security since the 1930s, and whilst I understand some of the viewpoints surrounding him and his supporters, it does not detract.... If you are right then it's over for humanity. The post world war 2 world wasn't exactly secure so to top it is going to mean apocalyptic levels of violence. Its probably worth spending a bit extra on the holiday this summer... 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BroadstairsR 2,169 Posted February 12 (edited) Frightening, especially coming from that fool's mouth. Frightening that he has such a following in America. Frightening that the Democrats cannot come up with a stronger candidate than Biden, although mutterings suggest that they might. At the same time, the penny might drop with the likes of Macron and all the others that NATO membership involves a commitment that they are finally duty bound to adhere to. Edited February 12 by BroadstairsR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dylanisabaddog 4,925 Posted February 12 I've often pondered how on earth Trump attracts voters. Are these people completely mad? It transpires that they are. A religious organisation spent $14m advertising Jesus during the Superbowl. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,164 Posted February 12 I think we should all be grateful to President Biden for arranging a very exciting Superbowl and be delighted that Taylor Swift won. He may be old but he gets things done and he can fix anything. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,767 Posted February 12 3 hours ago, BroadstairsR said: Frightening, especially coming from that fool's mouth. Frightening that he has such a following in America. Frightening that the Democrats cannot come up with a stronger candidate than Biden, although mutterings suggest that they might. At the same time, the penny might drop with the likes of Macron and all the others that NATO membership involves a commitment that they are finally duty bound to adhere to. In his crass, undiplomatic way he does have a point about fellow Nato members not paying their fair dues. A stopped clock and all that.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,300 Posted February 12 The senile old git embarrasses himself everyday: https://x.com/g_gosden/status/1757033313594749221?s=20 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iwans Big Toe 312 Posted February 13 On 11/02/2024 at 08:34, A Load of Squit said: Alternative news outlets. display for the whole world. Encourage you to think for yourself. Spoon fed. Big Brother Tow the party line. All classic man in a cult responses. You're in a cult. Says the man in a cult Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iwans Big Toe 312 Posted February 13 (edited) On 11/02/2024 at 08:34, A Load of Squit said: Alternative news outlets. display for the whole world. Encourage you to think for yourself. Spoon fed. Big Brother Tow the party line. All classic man in a cult responses. You're in a cult. While trying to deflect that he's in a cult. Edited February 13 by Iwans Big Toe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,300 Posted February 15 The first ever criminal trial of a former president begins March 25th. This will be fun https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-68289611?src_origin=BBCS_BBC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,300 Posted February 15 On 12/02/2024 at 05:59, dylanisabaddog said: I've often pondered how on earth Trump attracts voters. Are these people completely mad? It transpires that they are. A religious organisation spent $14m advertising Jesus during the Superbowl. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dylanisabaddog 4,925 Posted February 16 18 hours ago, horsefly said: The first ever criminal trial of a former president begins March 25th. This will be fun https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-68289611?src_origin=BBCS_BBC The press in this country are concentrating on the fact that he allegedly slept with a **** star and paid her. They hardly mention the fact that he allegedly claimed the payment as a legal cost in the accounts of a company he owns. At least the Americans are prosecuting him. In this country, Johnson got clean away with giving £130k worth of taxpayers money to an American pole dancer. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
littleyellowbirdie 2,550 Posted February 16 10 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said: At least the Americans are prosecuting him. In this country, Johnson got clean away with giving £130k worth of taxpayers money to an American pole dancer. Always seems to flirt dangerously close with misogyny this sort of attitude. Pole dancing's a legitimate work choice catering for a market. So's being a po rn actress. Can object to her business dealings and question Johnson's choice, but I don't see why that particular past occupation should come into it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,300 Posted February 16 34 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said: Always seems to flirt dangerously close with misogyny this sort of attitude. Pole dancing's a legitimate work choice catering for a market. So's being a po rn actress. Can object to her business dealings and question Johnson's choice, but I don't see why that particular past occupation should come into it. Given that it was a business grant, it does seem relevant to know what kind of expertise the tax payer was paying for. Do we think Johnson gave her the money for her IT skills or her pole dancing skills? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,300 Posted February 16 2 hours ago, Herman said: 🤣🤣🤣 Just imagine the colour of his face right now. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,786 Posted February 16 (edited) 29 minutes ago, horsefly said: Just imagine the colour of his face right now. Engoron Red was my guess. Just saw it's a truly staggering $463 million (with the $100M interest - climbing daily) Edited February 16 by Yellow Fever 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benchwarmer 625 Posted February 16 (edited) On 12/02/2024 at 15:21, horsefly said: The senile old git embarrasses himself everyday: https://x.com/g_gosden/status/1757033313594749221?s=20 After Biden's latest faux pas, a senior Democrat was asked for his reaction: "I slept like a baby - woke up every two hours crying and wetting myself" Only in America . . . Edited February 16 by benchwarmer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dylanisabaddog 4,925 Posted February 17 (edited) 7 hours ago, littleyellowbirdie said: Always seems to flirt dangerously close with misogyny this sort of attitude. Pole dancing's a legitimate work choice catering for a market. So's being a po rn actress. Can object to her business dealings and question Johnson's choice, but I don't see why that particular past occupation should come into it. Would I like my daughters to have successful careers? Yes, of course I would. Would I want them to be pole dancers or p**n stars? No I most definitely wouldn't. I don't think disapproving of the sex industry makes me a misogynist. In fact I know it doesn't. I'm sure most women would take a similar view. I'm afraid we live our lives by a different set of standards. Edited February 17 by dylanisabaddog Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,169 Posted February 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, dylanisabaddog said: Would I like my daughters to have successful careers? Yes, of course I would. Would I want them to be pole dancers or p**n stars? No I most definitely wouldn't. I don't think disapproving of the sex industry makes me a misogynist. In fact I know it doesn't. I'm sure most women would take a similar view. I'm afraid we live our lives by a different set of standards. I agree entirely with that, but sex has always been the most lucrative industry worldwide. It will always be with us. We have to accept the difference between voluntary involvement and the so-called "sex trade" which is modern day slavery. Edited February 17 by BroadstairsR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,300 Posted February 17 (edited) It's just been revealed how Engoron decided upon the amount of Trump's fine: A million dollars for each pound he weighs Edited February 17 by horsefly 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
littleyellowbirdie 2,550 Posted February 17 (edited) 4 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said: Would I like my daughters to have successful careers? Yes, of course I would. Would I want them to be pole dancers or p**n stars? No I most definitely wouldn't. I don't think disapproving of the sex industry makes me a misogynist. In fact I know it doesn't. I'm sure most women would take a similar view. I'm afraid we live our lives by a different set of standards. We're supposed to be encouraging a society that's live and let live where people shouldn't be stigmatised for lifestyle choices; I don't see why people working in the sex industry should be excluded from that when a large part of the male population is happy to consume the product. The duality of on the one hand so many wanting it and consuming it with a generally permissive attitude to the products and services while also thinking it's a premise for a contemptuous attitude to the women for doing it strikes me as hypocritical at a social level. Edited February 17 by littleyellowbirdie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
