BroadstairsR 2,202 Posted October 2, 2018 "There really is no reason at the moment why Norwich should offer more than a rolling one year contract, and of course there is the knock-on effect of contracts for his supporting staff to consider."Agreed, it would be creating a no win situation.Stuck with his contractual obligations if he fails, whilst if he succeeds and is poached he''ll go in any case (Bond, Walker, Lambert,) with a fight on our hands for compensation of sorts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,664 Posted October 2, 2018 @KG sorry that post wasn''t aimed at you, it was aimed at Westcoast. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,664 Posted October 2, 2018 Farke is growing on me but some here are a bit cultish in their following of him.He is what he is- a young manager, learning on the job who made plenty of mistakes last season and seemingly is learning and adjusting as time goes on. Yet some want to insist he''s some master savant and everything that went last year was all part of some grand master plan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
westcoastcanary 173 Posted October 2, 2018 [quote user="king canary"]@KG sorry that post wasn''t aimed at you, it was aimed at Westcoast.[/quote] And missed by a mile. It certainly isn''t me who has changed his tune now that results are coming. I''ve consistently and vociferously backed Webber and Farke and their "revolution" from the moment they were appointed. No grudging, "it''s better but I''m still to be convinced", blood-from-a-stone acknowledgements from me, as anyone who reads my posts as diligently as you do king should know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,664 Posted October 2, 2018 If you actually read the post I was referring to I never said you haven''t backed them.Just the idea that you can claim both ''he played Pinto because he bowed to fan pressure to be more entertaining'' and ''he has held his nerve throughout'' seem pretty contradictory statements. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
westcoastcanary 173 Posted October 2, 2018 [quote user="king canary"]Farke is growing on me but some here are a bit cultish in their following of him.He is what he is- a young manager, learning on the job who made plenty of mistakes last season and seemingly is learning and adjusting as time goes on. Yet some want to insist he''s some master savant and everything that went last year was all part of some grand master plan.[/quote] And this is a classic example of argument by false dichotomy. People need to take seriously the fact that Farke is head coach, not first and foremost a fan like them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,664 Posted October 2, 2018 I''m perfectly aware he''s not a fan thanks. Some people need to take seriously that he didn''t arrive fully formed with all the answers and a large amount of the (actually quite reserved) stick he took last season was reasonable. He''s learning, he''s developing and he''s improving. If you compare that to someone like Alex Neil who, when things didn''t go his way seemed to just become more and more stubborn then it is a huge positive for him. But he''s still got an awful lot to prove. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
westcoastcanary 173 Posted October 2, 2018 [quote user="king canary"]If you actually read the post I was referring to I never said you haven''t backed them.Just the idea that you can claim both ''he played Pinto because he bowed to fan pressure to be more entertaining'' and ''he has held his nerve throughout'' seem pretty contradictory statements.[/quote] Quote: "Or has that narrative been canned now he''s winning games?" If that''s not a suggestion that I change my tune on the basis of the latest results I don''t know what is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,664 Posted October 2, 2018 The narrative you were pushing a few weeks ago was ''fans have pushed Farke into playing Pinto at left back to be more entertaining.'' The narrative suited you as you could blame the fans rather than admit Farke made a tactical error by playing Pinto there.Now he''s wining the narrative is ''he''s always held his nerve.''Basically when something goes wrong you find someone else to blame, when it goes well it is because of Farke''s grand plan.That is what I mean changing the narrative when it suits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 2, 2018 @KG sorry that post wasn''t aimed at you, it was aimed at Westcoast. Sorry mate. I did think that the post seemed a bit odd for you but I guess I should have trusted my instincts rather than the order of posts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
westcoastcanary 173 Posted October 2, 2018 [quote user="king canary"]The narrative you were pushing a few weeks ago was ''fans have pushed Farke into playing Pinto at left back to be more entertaining.'' The narrative suited you as you could blame the fans rather than admit Farke made a tactical error by playing Pinto there.[/quote] Wrong, and wrong again. (1) I made my position on the demand for "entertainment" at Carrow Road perfectly clear in a reply to ron obvious after the Leeds game: "The brief comes from the board. Remember the statement about "entertaining football" issued after Hughton was sacked? Both Neil Adams and Alex Neil were appointed to play "entertaining" football; yesterday was like a re-run of so many matches over the last three years." As far as I''m concerned, the fans come into it only in as much as they succeed in exerting influence on the Norwich board, which in this context they did with the hostile reaction to Hughton''s attempt to address the systemic weaknesses in our play at that time (2) Far from refusing to "admit Farke made a tactical error by playing Pinto", my post was criticising him for exactly that, i.e. making a tactical error by playing Pinto. My opinion was that he should have reverted to prioritising defensive solidity, even if that meant selecting Husband at LB and foregoing whatever offensive benefit there might be from playing Pinto. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,664 Posted October 2, 2018 I''m still no closer to understanding how someone manages to both ''succumbed to the pressure to produce "entertaining football" and ''hold their nerve throughout.'' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
westcoastcanary 173 Posted October 3, 2018 [quote user="king canary"]I''m still no closer to understanding how someone manages to both ''succumbed to the pressure to produce "entertaining football" and ''hold their nerve throughout.''[/quote]Maybe because you insist on ignoring the difference between an interpretation put on words by a poster wanting to score a cheap point and an interpretation of those same words by someone looking to understand what was actually meant. I''ve explained what was actually meant. End of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,664 Posted October 3, 2018 Cheap point? Maybe.But to be blunt your original point about Farke starting Pinto due to demands for more entertaining football was always fucking nonsense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wazzock 904 Posted December 19, 2018 How times change... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,276 Posted December 20, 2018 What's changed? Still no contract. DF hedging his bets possibly. Sure bet he'll want more money now! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
splendidrush 700 Posted December 20, 2018 .... and he'll have earned it    Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,276 Posted December 20, 2018 Indeed he has. DF holds all the Aces now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,664 Posted December 20, 2018 11 hours ago, First Wazzock said: How times change... Earlier in this thread I'd said wait until March but I think it would be entirely fair to extend his deal now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bethnal Yellow and Green 1,589 Posted December 20, 2018 I have a suspicion that the deal has been done and the club are waiting for an optimum time to announce it. Some of the quotes from the AGM suggested it was signed and sealed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woodman 92 Posted December 20, 2018 Boxing Day announcement a la Huckerby? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 4,068 Posted December 20, 2018 Worth every penny of a new and improved contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Juler 155 Posted December 20, 2018 Got season ticket renewals soon, that would be a good time for some positive news (not that we need any at the moment)! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Moss 2,165 Posted December 21, 2018 On 19/12/2018 at 21:40, First Wazzock said: How times change... Not for me 😉 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,175 Posted December 21, 2018 On 03/10/2018 at 10:59, king canary said: Cheap point? Maybe.     But to be blunt your original point about Farke starting Pinto due to demands for more entertaining football was always ****ing nonsense. I've just noticed the naughty word in here - how did that slip through the swear filter?  This is purely a test: **** **** **** **** 😀 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,175 Posted December 21, 2018 Just now, Nuff Said said: I've just noticed the naughty word in here - how did that slip through the swear filter?  This is purely a test: **** **** **** **** 😀 Obviously working again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,664 Posted December 22, 2018 20 hours ago, Nuff Said said: I've just noticed the naughty word in here - how did that slip through the swear filter?  This is purely a test: **** **** **** **** 😀 Ha, yes I saw it somehow made it through. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,736 Posted December 22, 2018 Ban? 😀 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
