Chase v's delia

[Coneys Knee 1,006]

To make my stand point clear, I, for the first time believe now that the end should be nigh for the current owners.

The point I''d like to make though, is, how did Robert Chase, the most successful owner in our history, manage to get himself into a position to be hounded out to the point where we had police horses et al on Carrow Road to control some really rather volatile protests, yet delia, despite achieving very little comparatively manages to fly under the radar?

I''m not suggesting a return to those days at all, rather I''m just curious as to how we became so accepting of overall failure. It seems to me that delia is untouchable. Is that not a bad thing? Why shouldn''t she be accountable?

Sad as it maybe, and it is sad, owners like delia and Michael are just not where modern day football is at, and I can''t help but feel that if we don''t join the bandwagon of wealthy investor(s), owner(s) we''ll slowly fade away, season by season into a nothing club.

[JF 694]

lol. This should be interesting! It could have been oh so different for Bob had he owned the club now. I’m sure he could have acquired some level of Z list celebrity fame through some sort of reality house building show.

[Coneys Knee 1,006]

I''m not suggesting he shouldn''t have left. Just a little curious as to why is fans hounded him, yet delia can do no wrong.

[nutty nigel 7,679]

It won''t be interesting JF. We may as well resurrect all the other chase threads.

But I reckon the answer is that the internet means nobody bothers to actually do anything anymore. There was no real internet back in the 90s.

If Its a serious question then the people to ask are those who organised the protests back then. But remember, they had to leave the house to get it done.

[Mello Yello 2,315]

Did Mick Dennis write good things about Bob Chase?......

[JF 694]

I think he would have been fine had he released a book titled ‘how to cheat at house building!’

[Bill 1,788]

"It was wheel to hoof, as into the alley they rode..... the glorious at 6.00pm. The fighting was most furious when the police attempted to storm the solitary phone box atop Kings Street, held only by the brigade of the St Andrew''s hall stalwards.Twice the police cavalry charged but were beaten back by the tightly packed ranks of the house (bound) carls aka the thin green line.There might have been an earlier victory at Stamford Bridge (2-3) but it was Carrow Bridge that needed holding, And held it we did. Until it began to rise sending many a poor chap stumbling into the Kingsway...........(p281  The memoirs of a Lowestoft Lad)

[Baldyboy 0]

I’m sure if Chase was the current owner and had squandered the money our current owners have, he certainly wouldn’t get the easy ride Smith and Winnie get!

[nutty nigel 7,679]

Didn''t NCISA start out as the Chase Out group? They are no more though.

Reform?

[TIL 1010 4,827]

No Nutty there is no need as there is a group who proclaim to give the fans a voice.

[Big Vince 325]

[quote user="TIL 1010"]No Nutty there is no need as there is a group who proclaim to give the fans a voice.[/quote]

Socialists never listen to voices. They govern from the centre because they proclaim to know everything and the proletariat nothing.

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="Coneys Knee"]how did Robert Chase, the most successful owner in our history, manage to get himself into a position to be hounded out - yet delia, despite achieving very little comparatively manages to fly under the radar?[/quote]Because he inherited a club that was stable and a team that included Woods Watson and Bruce yet he left with the club on it''s knees and facing bankruptcy.On the other hand, Delia brought the club back from the brink to where we are today, strong, stable and debt free.In other words, while Chase slowly strangled the club, Delia resuscitated it. And while Chase took money from the club, Delia never has. Besides the £12m she put in, she also set up the catering operation which brings in a cool £4m per year, (about the same amount the much admired Marcus puts into the scum allegedly).. So why would anyone want to hound her out? 

[Indy 3,352]

Wow with each year Delia sum into the club goes up, now at 12 million, really? Please provide that evidence to back that up Lapps. I believe 8 million was more the mark from those sums supplier by others a few years ago, then 2.7 million of that was repaid as loan, was it not?

Does the catering really bring in 4 million a year? That’s some return given the staff cost, food and overheads, if we really make 4 million a year profit from catering that’s really good.

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="Indy"]Wow with each year Delia sum into the club goes up, now at 12 million, really? Please provide that evidence to back that up Lapps.[/quote]She may have had £1m back but this is the only time she ever spoke of her input that I''m aware of..........Delia Smith: Hi

Eddie, thank you, I think this is a really good question and one I want

to answer. Just for the record, prudence with ambition was never a

policy of mine or Michael''s otherwise we''d be about £12million better

off"Horses mouth and all that.

[Indy 3,352]

Yes I remember that but on paper it’s a damn site less, I think the loans were closer to 2.7 million.

I don’t have the time like others to troll through previous threads but there’s one which had her exact money from loans and shares detailed and it came to 8.7 million. So not sure where 12 million comes from. Maybe Delia likes to embellish things.

I’m sure our resident accountant can be more precise with all the investments and repayments.

We’ve done this investment thing before Lapps, regardless of the amount it was needed and appreciated, but we can’t live on history, we need to be as financially strong as we can be, if our owners can’t afford this club then they should step aside or find a way to ensure it.

I don’t see how we can ever become self sufficient in footballs current climate, wages and othe costs are too much.

[lappinitup 629]

"Yes I remember that but on paper it’s a damn site less, I think the loans were closer to 2.7 million."

A large chunk of the loans belonged to Michael Foulger.

"I don’t have the time like others to troll through previous threads

but there’s one which had her exact money from loans and shares detailed

and it came to 8.7 million. So not sure where 12 million comes from.

Maybe Delia likes to embellish things."You asked me for evidence but you''re not prepared to supply any yourself. You won''t accept Delia''s own words but expect us to believe figures from your vague recollections."We’ve done this investment thing before Lapps, regardless of the

amount it was needed and appreciated, but we can’t live on history, we

need to be as financially strong as we can be, if our owners can’t

afford this club then they should step aside or find a way to ensure it."You still believe in Father Christmas. [:D]

"I don’t see how we can ever become self sufficient in footballs current climate, wages and othe costs are too much."Using the scum as an example, even without parachute payments our turnover (income) would be over double theirs but without rent for our stadium or training ground. And we do have a huge advantage with our Grade One academy. If they can challenge for the play-offs then we most certainly can. Cheer up Indy, Christmas is coming. [<:o)]

[Big Vince 325]

[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Coneys Knee"]how did Robert Chase, the most successful owner in our history, manage to get himself into a position to be hounded out - yet delia, despite achieving very little comparatively manages to fly under the radar?[/quote]Because he inherited a club that was stable and a team that included Woods Watson and Bruce yet he left with the club on it''s knees and facing bankruptcy.On the other hand, Delia brought the club back from the brink to where we are today, strong, stable and debt free.In other words, while Chase slowly strangled the club, Delia resuscitated it. And while Chase took money from the club, Delia never has. Besides the £12m she put in, she also set up the catering operation which brings in a cool £4m per year, (about the same amount the much admired Marcus puts into the scum allegedly).. So why would anyone want to hound her out? [/quote]

I venture to suggest you have written this with a large chunk of tongue in cheek.

"cool £4m per year" - peanuts these days.

"Delia resuscitated it" - that''s why McNasty and Bowkett had to rescue it in 2009.

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="Big Vince"]

"Delia resuscitated it" - that''s why McNasty and Bowkett had to rescue it in 2009.[/quote]Just as well the internet wasn''t around in the last days of Chase Vinnie - Oh, how you''d have thumped your keyboard.Did you join NCISA by the way?

[4th floor 4]

Say what you want about Chase, but he left behind a modern ground and facilities. If Delia left tomorrow she''d be leaving behind a stadium which is generally showing its age and training facilities which until recently hadn''t seen a significant upgrade since Chase left.How is it that we''ve had millions upon millions in income in the last few years, yet we''re now having to do improvement work at Colney at a time when we''re having to tighten our belts?Delia might not be taking money out of the club, it''s just being frittered away instead.

[TIL 1010 4,827]

Chase left behind a modern ground and facilities thanks to an insurance payout from Norwich union following the Main Stand fire and grants from the Football Trust running into millions that rebuilt the River & Barclay ends.

[Bill 1,788]

[quote user="4-2-thefloor"]Say what you want about Chase, but he left behind a modern ground and facilities. If Delia left tomorrow she''d be leaving behind a stadium which is generally showing its age and training facilities which until recently hadn''t seen a significant upgrade since Chase left.How is it that we''ve had millions upon millions in income in the last few years, yet we''re now having to do improvement work at Colney at a time when we''re having to tighten our belts?Delia might not be taking money out of the club, it''s just being frittered away instead.[/quote]I could well imagine the whining on here if the club had been spending money on either Colney or the ground to the detriment of the playing squad.The club are always on a loser with some fans.

[Yorkshire Canary 118]

Difficult to compare because the times were so different. That said chase oversaw much success and really had a bad last 18 months. The current owners have made so many mistakes it is impossible to list them and continue to do so I will be glad to see the last of them albeit I do accept that the grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence

[Tattoo 0]

The Delia reign has been a real roll coaster ride but we are heading for a serious dip under the leadership of nepotism Tom

[4th floor 4]

[quote user="TIL 1010"]Chase left behind a modern ground and facilities thanks to an insurance payout from Norwich union following the Main Stand fire and grants from the Football Trust running into millions that rebuilt the River & Barclay ends.[/quote]It seems that 20 years after Chase left the happy clappers are still trying to write off our golden period as the result of fortunate circumstances or some kind of fluke.For some Delia has been seen as unlucky, eg with needing to rebuild the South Stand, rather than her and her husband just being plain bad at running a football club.My point was that when things went bad under Chase we weren''t left with a rundown stadium and training ground. Four years in the top division, bringing in far more than Chase received in insurance payouts or grants, should have at least seen us upgrade Colney.

[TIL 1010 4,827]

If you think i am a Happy Clapper you could not be more wrong if you tried,just ask anybody who knows me but if you are going to make comparisons between the Delia and Chase reigns regarding the facilities at least post some facts.The River End was pre Chase,The Main Stand was the result of a fire again pre Chase and the Barclay was built with a substantial Football Trust grant. Part of the large debt run up in the early years under Delia was because the South Stand was about to be closed by the Football Licensing Authority so had to be rebuilt. Obviously Chase had his eye off the ball over that one.Yes he built Colney and yes i am mystified as to why the current board expect the fans to dig into their pockets for a refurb and questions need to be asked where the £19 Academy donations have gone in recent years contributed by thousands of fans on top of their season tickets.All i ask is you present a balanced case.

[Jim Smith 2,365]

[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Coneys Knee"]how did Robert Chase, the most successful owner in our history, manage to get himself into a position to be hounded out - yet delia, despite achieving very little comparatively manages to fly under the radar?[/quote]Because he inherited a club that was stable and a team that included Woods Watson and Bruce yet he left with the club on it''s knees and facing bankruptcy.On the other hand, Delia brought the club back from the brink to where we are today, strong, stable and debt free.In other words, while Chase slowly strangled the club, Delia resuscitated it. And while Chase took money from the club, Delia never has. Besides the £12m she put in, she also set up the catering operation which brings in a cool £4m per year, (about the same amount the much admired Marcus puts into the scum allegedly).. So why would anyone want to hound her out? [/quote]

Sorry but those figures sound miles out. no way she has put in that amount and I find it very hard to believe that the catering makes us that much.

Did Chase really take money from the club (I assume you are alluding to building contracts?).

We were closer to the brink under the current owners in my view. It was only really because Bowkett stepped in and they stepped back that we managed to get out of that with a fair degree of luck along the way as well.

i was no fan of Chase (and to be fair football as a whole has changed since then with the millions involved) and protested against him at the time but the truth is he was much more succesful as chairman than the current regime has been.

[Jim Smith 2,365]

@lappinitup

The £4m figure you are referring to for catering is the turnover of the catering operations.

Unfortunately through the information available in the accounts I can;t work out how much of that is profit. I did think there was a figure floating about somewhere for profit we made on the catering side of things but can''t find it.

In fairness I have no doubt that our catering operations are better than many other championship clubs and do bring in some revenue (i''m sure we do make a profit - whether we would anyway without Delia is open to debate) and it would be churlish to deny Delia some credit for setting it up and not least because it trades heavily off her name.

[4th floor 4]

[quote user="TIL 1010"]If you think i am a Happy Clapper you could not be more wrong if you tried,just ask anybody who knows me but if you are going to make comparisons between the Delia and Chase reigns regarding the facilities at least post some facts.The River End was pre Chase,The Main Stand was the result of a fire again pre Chase and the Barclay was built with a substantial Football Trust grant. Part of the large debt run up in the early years under Delia was because the South Stand was about to be closed by the Football Licensing Authority so had to be rebuilt. Obviously Chase had his eye off the ball over that one.Yes he built Colney and yes i am mystified as to why the current board expect the fans to dig into their pockets for a refurb and questions need to be asked where the £19 Academy donations have gone in recent years contributed by thousands of fans on top of their season tickets.All i ask is you present a balanced case.[/quote]I don''t disagree with what you say. Chase had the luck of the grants etc, and Delia had the luck of our recent seasons in the PL.But it seems to me that under Delia we''ve tended to shy away from investing in bricks and mortar until forced to do so, and then having to spend whilst the belt is being tightened.

[Jim Smith 2,365]

PS if you google it there is an excellent old pinkun thread from 2008 debating how much Delia and MWJ are estimated to have out into the club. The conclusion at the time was that they had acquired their majority shareholding for approx £4million. On top of that there were some loans taking their input at its peak to around £6.5m but obviously those have now been paid back.

I obviusly can''t vouch for the accuracy of those figures but the post in question seemed thorough and to stack up.

[nutty nigel 7,679]

[quote user="Jim Smith"]PS if you google it there is an excellent old pinkun thread from 2008 debating how much Delia and MWJ are estimated to have out into the club. The conclusion at the time was that they had acquired their majority shareholding for approx £4million. On top of that there were some loans taking their input at its peak to around £6.5m but obviously those have now been paid back.

I obviusly can''t vouch for the accuracy of those figures but the post in question seemed thorough and to stack up.[/quote]

Jimbo, why don''t you have a think about it and invent some figures and give the reasons why they would lie. 

And while you''re about it tell us what Watling walleted.

Oh and why did you suggest we should loosen our wage structure to spend even more money on players two years ago and yet criticise spending what we did now.....