Grabban to Bournemouth?

[Fuzzar 1,861]

Should we and Bournemouth be in a similar league position to now come the January window, should we sell Grabban if they come calling again?

Given he''s currently on the periphery of the team, how much would it weaken us and strengthen them? And what would be your minimum price?

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

[quote user="Fuzzar"]

Should we and Bournemouth be in a similar league position to now come the January window, should we sell Grabban if they come calling again?

Given he''s currently on the periphery of the team, how much would it weaken us and strengthen them? And what would be your minimum price?

[/quote]I can''t imagine Lafferty will be here beyond January, and unless he performs superbly at Wednesday I can''t see Hooper being a big part of Neil''s plans. That said, though, I can''t imagine Grabbs will be delighted with his situation post-reintegration – he''s third choice at best and would probably relish a move. If Bournemouth are still happy to offer circa £6m for him, get rid and reinvest in a versatile, nippy striker from the Championship or abroad.

[wcorkcanary 4,784]

Bournemouth are among a few teams that i would NOT sell Grabban to, at ANY price. We could easily get a profitable offer from any of the top Championship Clubs in January, the likes of Boro may well need to add to their firepower to ensure promotion/play offs....and can afford to pay our price. We should not sell to rivals, simple.

[Cantiaci Canary 610]

I have to admit that I would be pretty sick if even a goal by him kept the Cherries up to our cost.

Sell him perhaps ... but to the Championship.

[nutty nigel 7,902]

If either of them go are we going to get a replacement? Someone has to be 3rd/4th place. It''s an important squad position. Could we get better for those positions or are we going to pay January prices for a new 1st/2nd choice?

[morty 0]

I''d be more inclined to keep him. He gives us a bit of pace up front, something different to Mbokani and Jerome.I''m pretty sure Lafferty will go.

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

[quote user="wcorkcanary"]Bournemouth are among a few teams that i would NOT sell Grabban to, at ANY price. We could easily get a profitable offer from any of the top Championship Clubs in January, the likes of Boro may well need to add to their firepower to ensure promotion/play offs....and can afford to pay our price. We should not sell to rivals, simple.[/quote]If he signs for them in January and becomes their lead striker until Wilson returns, he will spurn more chances than he takes. I have spoken to several Bournemouth fans about him, and they all said that his profligacy in front of goal was a problem. More than one said that in the season he scored 20+ for them, with a clinical striker such as Wilson up top they would have won the league the season before.

[morty 0]

[quote user="Feedthewolf"][quote user="wcorkcanary"]Bournemouth are among a few teams that i would NOT sell Grabban to, at ANY price. We could easily get a profitable offer from any of the top Championship Clubs in January, the likes of Boro may well need to add to their firepower to ensure promotion/play offs....and can afford to pay our price. We should not sell to rivals, simple.[/quote]If he signs for them in January and becomes their lead striker until Wilson returns, he will spurn more chances than he takes. I have spoken to several Bournemouth fans about him, and they all said that his profligacy in front of goal was a problem. More than one said that in the season he scored 20+ for them, with a clinical striker such as Wilson up top they would have won the league the season before.[/quote]But what if the move spurs him onto new heights, and he gets ten goals that keep Bournemouth up, and sends us down?Can you imagine the "I told you so''s"?

[Jacko 0]

Bournemouth are sorely lacking a mobile striker who makes intelligent and pacy runs. He may be wasteful but Grabban is miles better than anything they have available right now. We''d be nuts to sell him to them.

[Tumbleweed 106]

Loaning Bassong to Watford last season was bad enough but we should avoid doing anything which might even have the slightest chance of aiding a rival. We''d be nuts to risk the PL money by enhancing B''mouth''s survival chances.

[GJP 79]

Grabban has been here for over a year so I don''t really see why it matters what Bournemouth fans have to say about him.

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

[quote user="morty"][quote user="Feedthewolf"][quote user="wcorkcanary"]Bournemouth are among a few teams that i would NOT sell Grabban to, at ANY price. We could easily get a profitable offer from any of the top Championship Clubs in January, the likes of Boro may well need to add to their firepower to ensure promotion/play offs....and can afford to pay our price. We should not sell to rivals, simple.[/quote]If he signs for them in January and becomes their lead striker until Wilson returns, he will spurn more chances than he takes. I have spoken to several Bournemouth fans about him, and they all said that his profligacy in front of goal was a problem. More than one said that in the season he scored 20+ for them, with a clinical striker such as Wilson up top they would have won the league the season before.[/quote]But what if the move spurs him onto new heights, and he gets ten goals that keep Bournemouth up, and sends us down?Can you imagine the "I told you so''s"?[/quote]In that eventuality, my comment would indeed look very stupid. I stand by it, though.It will probably be moot anyway, as I can''t imagine Neil would sell him to Bournemouth. Don''t get me wrong, if we were offered £6m by Bournemouth and £6m by a Championship club, I''d sell him to the Championship club every time. I''m not suggesting that employing him as some sort of ''agent'' to hinder Bournemouth would be the best course of action, but if it''s a direct choice between selling him to Bournemouth for £6m or letting him stay here to further deteriorate, I''d get rid and reinvest that money on someone better.

[GPs Beard 0]

Hard to think of a set of likely circumstances where we would sell him to Bournemouth. Both are likely to be in the relegation scrap, replacing him for the money in January will be difficult and , for the reasons the deal fell over in August , a lot of links in the chain have to be in place for the transfer to go ahead.

If he is to move, it is more likely he will go to a championship team but only if we can replace him. The posturing of Grabbans agent didn''t come to much did it?

[hogesar 10,766]

Bournemouth will obviously be willing to splash the cash in January for a striker. The question isn''t will he improve what they have now, because he obviously will, but more so would he be better than any other likely alternative they''d go out and purchase? Bournemouth know Grabban and know his playing style suits theirs, so I think they''d be willing to pay above the going rate to get him here in January.

Saying that, I don''t think for the same money we''d get a better player to come here and be third choice. 

Really, we need to keep him.

[mrs miggins 0]

I think sell him if we can get around £8m for him. Bournemouth will be desperate to sign a striker and they know what they are getting with Grabban.

I''m sure they know he''s not worth £8m but they also know they''re fu(led if they don''t buy a striker in the same mould as Callum Wilson, because Murray really doesn''t suit them.

[It's Character Forming 1,204]

Aside from Chelsea there are 4 teams now below us, and Bournemouth desperately need to strengthen their squad.   We''d be insane to do anything to help them. 

 

The margins in the Prem aren''t that big.  Grabban could join them, waste plenty of chances but still get them a few extra points, and if that was enough for them to finish above us, £8m wouldn''t be much compensation.

[morty 0]

[quote user="Feedthewolf"][quote user="morty"][quote user="Feedthewolf"][quote user="wcorkcanary"]Bournemouth are among a few teams that i would NOT sell Grabban to, at ANY price. We could easily get a profitable offer from any of the top Championship Clubs in January, the likes of Boro may well need to add to their firepower to ensure promotion/play offs....and can afford to pay our price. We should not sell to rivals, simple.[/quote]If he signs for them in January and becomes their lead striker until Wilson returns, he will spurn more chances than he takes. I have spoken to several Bournemouth fans about him, and they all said that his profligacy in front of goal was a problem. More than one said that in the season he scored 20+ for them, with a clinical striker such as Wilson up top they would have won the league the season before.[/quote]But what if the move spurs him onto new heights, and he gets ten goals that keep Bournemouth up, and sends us down?Can you imagine the "I told you so''s"?[/quote]In that eventuality, my comment would indeed look very stupid. I stand by it, though.It will probably be moot anyway, as I can''t imagine Neil would sell him to Bournemouth. Don''t get me wrong, if we were offered £6m by Bournemouth and £6m by a Championship club, I''d sell him to the Championship club every time. I''m not suggesting that employing him as some sort of ''agent'' to hinder Bournemouth would be the best course of action, but if it''s a direct choice between selling him to Bournemouth for £6m or letting him stay here to further deteriorate, I''d get rid and reinvest that money on someone better.[/quote]The bigger point though is, if we did sell him for 6m, what would that 6m buy us in January? Better keeping him till the summer and offloading then.

[Fuzzar 1,861]

I agree with the first part of what Hogesar says and with Mrs Miggins. I think Grabban has a particular value to Bournemouth and they will believe his familiarity will allow him to hit the ground running.

But I''m not convinced of his Premiership credentials - that Palace chance springs to mind - so I would cash in at around the £8m mark if that were a possibility. Resurrecting the Gayle or Naismith deals using that money plus a couple of million extra would greatly strengthen us in that area and still leave cash unspent for at least one quality defender.

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

[quote user="morty"]The bigger point though is, if we did sell him for 6m, what would that 6m buy us in January? Better keeping him till the summer and offloading then.[/quote]He signed a three-year deal, though, so he''d only have one year left on his contract by the summer. If he spends the second half of the season bench-warming or out of the squad, his value will have depreciated seriously. Maximising income isn''t the most important thing, I agree, but I still think that for £6-8m we could sign someone who would make an impact – or more of an impact than Grabban, anyway. We''ll see. Additionally, we still haven''t spent most of the Johnson money, so there should be a reasonably sized pot if we need to dip into our pockets to upgrade Lewis.

[morty 0]

[quote user="Feedthewolf"][quote user="morty"]The bigger point though is, if we did sell him for 6m, what would that 6m buy us in January? Better keeping him till the summer and offloading then.[/quote]He signed a three-year deal, though, so he''d only have one year left on his contract by the summer. If he spends the second half of the season bench-warming or out of the squad, his value will have depreciated seriously. Maximising income isn''t the most important thing, I agree, but I still think that for £6-8m we could sign someone who would make an impact – or more of an impact than Grabban, anyway. We''ll see. Additionally, we still haven''t spent most of the Johnson money, so there should be a reasonably sized pot if we need to dip into our pockets to upgrade Lewis.[/quote]Yup, completely get what you''re saying.My worry though, would be, that those players who were 6-8m last summer, suddenly become 10-12m in January.We have to get it just right, we can''t afford to have our pants pulled down.

[Hoola Han Solo 448]

I wouldn''t be unhappy about spunking an extra three or four million quid more on a centre half, over what we''d want to pay, if it meant we stayed up. It''s swings and roundabouts anyway sometimes. There''s a few in our squad, like Redmond at 2m and Wes at 500k that we''ve got massively more and above out of the transfer fees we paid. Sometimes you have to take the rough with the smooth.

Personally if a decent offer came in from anyone for Grabban I''d take it. He doesn''t come across as someone who''s gonna enjoy bench sitting, so maybe time to get rid of a potential bad apple. Plus as said, his value is going down daily. A few extra quid in the January coffers could let us bring in at least one extra player which could be crucial.

[Jacko 0]

You could potentially get £6 million for him, but if that then arms Bournemouth and gives them the impetus they need to beat the drop at our expense isn''t that rather a false economy with the new TV deal coming in and the riches on offer?

Whilst I agree his value will have depreciated slightly in the summer, it is worth remembering that both Hull and Norwich still got big money for Snodgrass and Brady respectively despite both being in the final year of their respective contracts (If I am mistaken please feel free to correct me).

[CanaryOne 0]

Would rather sell them a poor striker like Grabban than see them go and sign a proper goalscorer who may just fire them to safety .

[morty 0]

And there lies another point, what if Bournemouth aren''t actually interested in Grabban in January?

[wcorkcanary 4,784]

''''The bigger point though is, if we did sell him for 6m, what would that 6m buy us in January? Better keeping him till the summer and offloading then.''''........Morty

Isnt £6M the figure we''ve been asked to pay to make Mbokani permanent?.... no brainer for me, let Grabban go to anywhere that ''ll pay the fee ( except direct rivals) and if Dieumerci is still producing for us then secure his long term future here.

[morty 0]

[quote user="wcorkcanary"]''''The bigger point though is, if we did sell him for 6m, what would that 6m buy us in January? Better keeping him till the summer and offloading then.''''........Morty

Isnt £6M the figure we''ve been asked to pay to make Mbokani permanent?.... no brainer for me, let Grabban go to anywhere that ''ll pay the fee ( except direct rivals) and if Dieumerci is still producing for us then secure his long term future here.[/quote]No idea, not heard that, isn''t he a season long loan though, so that could be addressed at the end of the season? I had kind of assumed that we would already have something in place there.That would leave us Mbokani, Jerome and Lafferty. Can''t say I would be too confident in that strikeforce, as a whole. I would rather see Grabban stay, to give us a different option, or if he is sold, a similar pacey striker brought in. Which is easier said than done, especially in January.So it may be a case of settling for the lesser of two evils.

[Jacko 0]

[quote user="morty"]And there lies another point, what if Bournemouth aren''t actually interested in Grabban in January?[/quote]

If a championship club comes in for him then that is potentially different story and maybe we could look at the situation. He''s no longer potentially harming our survival prospects if he joins a team at that level.

If he stays then I don''t think it''s the end of the world. He is a useful option and is different to what Jerome and Mbokani offer you.

I''ll now answer your question with a general question of my own. In the January transfer window what is £6 million going to get us strikerwise, if Benik Afobe was being touted around for £12 million plus in the summer?

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

[quote user="morty"]Yup, completely get what you''re saying.My worry though, would be, that those players who were 6-8m last summer, suddenly become 10-12m in January.We have to get it just right, we can''t afford to have our pants pulled down.[/quote]Indeed, but if we look in enough places we can surely find someone in a situation where their value is not artificially inflated due to contract situation, a falling-out with the manager, not getting regular football etcetera. Grabban is in this situation himself, and he can''t be the only one.That said, I wouldn''t be at all disappointed to see Grabban stay as third/fourth choice, as that''s a difficult position to fill, and even though I don''t rate his finishing you can''t fault his workrate and desire/ability to bring other players into the game.

[Jacko 0]

Apologies, I see you''ve asked exactly the same thing already. And therein lies the issue of dealing in January.

[Hoola Han Solo 448]

Unless there''s a drastic change, if we sell in Januaryhe won''t be anything like match fit and could take him several weeks to get going anyway, for a new club.