MancCanary

[quote user="Ginja"][quote user="splutcho"]Would be a very strange decision to play Snodgrass on his weak side. If you''re not going to play him on the right, you may as well not bother playing him at all. Wouldn''t be overly happy with that were it true. 4th best centre back playing when two better are available as well.[/quote]Weak side?While I agree Yobo could easily start, he was brought in by Hughton, something tells me he''s not the happiest bunny. However Bassong seems lazy in recent games, would be happy to see him dropped finally. Remember one of our few away wins came with that back 4.[/quote] I wouldn''t attribute much to players like Yobo being unhappy because Hughton left. He won''t know if Adams rates him or not yet - he might start every game. I would agree about dropping Bassong, but just because he''s making lots of errors, rather than looking lazy. He''s always looked lazy!

[quote user="Dubai Mark"]Right now my expectation is very simple........do not lose and I dont really care how we do it.[/quote] Isn''t that the attitude that we all have a problem with Hughton having? I think the players need to gain confidence from attacking and scoring goals. If we concede 1 or 2, so be it - I think we''re capable of scoring more than than against Fulham, the worst defence in the league.

There''s not a lot of candidates for the dead balls. I would allow Snoddy all the direct free kicks, as he''s got a good success rate there. I would probably give the corners and dead ball deliveries to olsson myself. Seems to have a good cross on him.

[quote user="Tumbleweed"]Gunn''s team in his first match when caretaker: Marshall, Otsemobor, Doherty, Grounds, Bertrand, Croft (Bell 89), Clingan, Fotheringham, Hoolahan (Pattison 80), Cureton (Lupoli 83), Russell and Gunn''s team in the infamous Colchester match: Theoklitos; Otsemobor, Doherty, Nelson, Drury; Whaley, Gill (Adeyemi, 58), Tudur Jones, Hoolahan; Holt, Martin (McDonald, 58). Scary. Different divisions, but the second in particular shows how bad things had got.[/quote] Urrgh. Just reading those teamsheets gave me shudders and a little memory of sadness and fear. Particularly the second one.

I make it 7 now Jas! There''s Waveney Canary, Thorpe End Canary, The Messiah, Simple Jack, Hootun Out, New York Canary and now Bring Back Houghton.

[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="MancCanary"][quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="haisbrohacker"]The problem has been that Hughton has been asking players to play a system that they are not 100% happy with. We are vulnerable when in possession in our final third and often lose the ball which puts threat on our goal. We do concede from these situations and our inability to pass the ball into the net at the other is why we have scored to few goals. In essence the players and team are not good enough to match Hughtons preferred playing style. Football is a simple game, i hope Adams realises this and lets the players play to THEIR strengths in a frame work that is offensive and reduces mistakes in our final third. H[/quote] ^^^ This This This. Hughton''s success long term depended on him building a squad capable of playing in the way he wanted them to. That may have required another year or even two - but depended on us improving along the way. The stuttering form and lack of goals is obviously why he''s gone, but I still remain convinced that had he been a little more successful this season, he would have been able to build the squad sufficiently to play in that sophisticated style - with more goals and more success in the next year or so. However, reality sets in and we need results now and you can only go so far with a project if its short term aims threaten the long term aims. Adams has to be seen as a short term fix, with perhaps him coming back at a later stage as a longer term manager, but if he does really well in the next few weeks, that could change. Still Hoddle for me.[/quote] It begs the question then, why did Hughton buy players like RVW and Hooper for this gameplan he wanted to play in the future that you talk of, now? If they weren''t the sort of players to fit into the gameplan he was playing *this* season? However good his plans were for the future, it looks like he couldn''t make the right decisions for the present. It''s like he jumped too far ahead of himself, when he should''ve tried to build the team more gradually and should''ve bought a different style of forward. Makes me wonder what might''ve been if we''d signed Quag or Toivenen.[/quote] Its a good question. He must have hoped that the wing players would be more effective than they have been, to provide ammunition for the strikers. Snodgrass can be as frustrating as anything, Redmond inexperienced, Bennett injured, Pilkington rarely fully fit up for it - and there you have it, recipe for no goals. Hoolahan limited and not always in the game, Johnson mispassing, Howson was injured for quite a while, as was Tettey, now Fer is injured. Hughton had his limitations, which is obvious to everyone, but he was working within a budget too and plenty of injuries. A Quag or a Toivenen type would have maybe been enough to add that extra bit of bite going forwards, but all the problems and limitations of the players we already have and their injuries, has made this a much tougher season than it might have been. It sounds as if I am making excuses - I am not - Hughton has his limitations - but overall I think he has been a bit unlucky with injuries over the season while trying to get his system to work. I suspect the harder he has tried to get it to work, the harder it has become to make it work, with the players available. The squad is in transition to that stage he wanted to get to - and we know it did work on occasions - and with a little bit of luck this season he might have got there next season. But the pressure of this season and not succeeding in getting his system to work well enough, often enough, has led us to where we are now. If we can get this season successfully finished and on to another premiership season, we will need imo someone who can attract the kind of players we need to build from where we are. Hoddle could be that man. [/quote] I do agree he was unlucky with the injuries and sudden loss of form for a couple of key players. But then it can argued that the regime of a manager can have an effect on players'' fitness. I see what you''re saying about Hughton''s preferred, ideal set-up. But in football, you have to play to the advantages of the players you''ve got. You don''t set up like Chelsea if you don''t have the players. I''m not saying he set us up anything like they do! But I don''t believe that the patient, strict, and slow build-up play suited our players in more than a handful of games. Sometimes it would''ve been better to say "lads, this time we''re going to get up and at them all game". But he clearly thought our strengths lay in our defence, rather than our attack, which put more pressure on a defence that wasn''t that good, and the longer this happened the less confidence the whole team had. I think this is what ultimately undermined Hughton.

Totally agree Salopian. However, I think we should stop using the terms "inners" and "outers" now that Hughton is gone! Lets just be "fans" again.

Vanwalt - He will prove to be the man for us IMO. Despite what some have said I do not see this as another Gunny, and I do not see Neil as a short term appointment. As far as I am aware he is now Norwich manager full stop. I wish him every success. Threads about new potential managers are disrespectfull to the guy, he deserves our full support. All the chat about him not having the contacts and the background to sign big players is being way over done for me, let''s face it what real big names are we likely to see here next season no matter who our manager is. I don''t even want established big names, what I want is for us to create our own big names and develop a squad of players who play for each other. We now have a manager with an extensive knowledge of our youth set up and it may be wishful thinking, but I would love to see two or three of our young bucks being given a chance when they are ready and no manager is more likely to do that than Adams. - I agree. Wouldn''t it be lovely to A) stay up, and B) have 2 or 3 young players making names for themselves and becoming valuable assets to the club, a la Southampton. I know Hughton was able to bring in Bassong, Redmond, Hooper & RVW, but I think most of those would''ve come anyway.

Good facts! Thank god we don''t need 12 points too!

[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="haisbrohacker"]The problem has been that Hughton has been asking players to play a system that they are not 100% happy with. We are vulnerable when in possession in our final third and often lose the ball which puts threat on our goal. We do concede from these situations and our inability to pass the ball into the net at the other is why we have scored to few goals. In essence the players and team are not good enough to match Hughtons preferred playing style. Football is a simple game, i hope Adams realises this and lets the players play to THEIR strengths in a frame work that is offensive and reduces mistakes in our final third. H[/quote] ^^^ This This This. Hughton''s success long term depended on him building a squad capable of playing in the way he wanted them to. That may have required another year or even two - but depended on us improving along the way. The stuttering form and lack of goals is obviously why he''s gone, but I still remain convinced that had he been a little more successful this season, he would have been able to build the squad sufficiently to play in that sophisticated style - with more goals and more success in the next year or so. However, reality sets in and we need results now and you can only go so far with a project if its short term aims threaten the long term aims. Adams has to be seen as a short term fix, with perhaps him coming back at a later stage as a longer term manager, but if he does really well in the next few weeks, that could change. Still Hoddle for me. [/quote] It begs the question then, why did Hughton buy players like RVW and Hooper for this gameplan he wanted to play in the future that you talk of, now? If they weren''t the sort of players to fit into the gameplan he was playing *this* season? However good his plans were for the future, it looks like he couldn''t make the right decisions for the present. It''s like he jumped too far ahead of himself, when he should''ve tried to build the team more gradually and should''ve bought a different style of forward. Makes me wonder what might''ve been if we''d signed Quag or Toivenen.

I agree. I was going to say put Bassong back in for Liverpool, but what''s the point! I say we keep Turner and Yobo in against liverpool, and park the bus! Leave Redmond Murphy/Pilks and Hooper upfield, and hit em on the counter.

I agree on the foreign manager front. McNally has confirmed before that they had foreign managers on their shortlists hasn''t he? I wonder if Delia would be brave enough to agree to it though. It doesn''t fit with the whole cosy family club does it.. and that''s precisely why it would be a good thing! We must be one of the very few clubs left who''ve been in the prem the last few seasons having never had a foreign manager.

"priceyrice: It''s an Ex-player" Priceyrice, I don''t think it''s an ex-player, and not Holty. Why would holty or any ex player now living in a different city come forward to interfere with the goings-on of their ex-club? Its not their place. "long-standing player" to me, says a player who''s on the books and has been on the books for a while. To me, this was either Russ Martin or Hoolahan. More likely Russ as he''s club captain.

Are we seeing Sherwood through tainted yellow sunglasses? What if we forget the connections with city and any bell-endery he''s committed in the past? His record at Spurs is better than AVB''s - not too bad considering he''s a nobody who''s never managed a senior team before, and AVB won the Champions League. Everton have tough games, Arsenal have tough games.. its not beyond the realms of possibility than Spurs could yet finish 4th. If we''re judging him as a manager, he''s not done too badly so far I''d say, in his career of 18 games or whatever it is.

Sorry to be a massive pedant, but I think Partridge is based on many people, not one person in particular. Deffo shades of Steve Wright though :) And many other DJs! Also some Tony Wilson, and maybe a bit of Richard Madeley too I like to think!

[quote user="Private Frazer"][quote user="MancCanary"]Well said Rudolph. It wouldn''t do any harm for Adams to show the players all the negative press about the decision and to tell them about the press wanting to make them a laughing stock.. could get them even more fired up![/quote] Yeah because football players are too thick to read it themselves.[/quote] Jeez, alright mate.. I just meant he could gather it all up and make more of a compelling point by showing them all of it together.. maybe with a nice power point presentation (joke). Maybe some of the players won''t read some of the press? Maybe some of them won''t take it on board? Maybe it would be advantageous to use it as motivation. Twas just an idea.

Well said Rudolph. It wouldn''t do any harm for Adams to show the players all the negative press about the decision and to tell them about the press wanting to make them a laughing stock.. could get them even more fired up!

Yorkshire, I think you''re right regarding it being propaganda (saying Adams is in pole position). It''s the right thing to say at this stage, to give Adams the confidence of the board''s backing. If it goes tits-up and Adams does worse than expectations (not that they are high), then McNally will be ruthless again as with Gunn. I think it was never more than a 50/50 gamble to sack Hughton at any stage this season - he had the track record of a mid-table finish, and stability is a virtue. It''s just that CH couldn''t take advantage of it, and showed no progression - just endless stabs in the dark, and wildly inconsistent performances. So I back McNally as much as I ever have. In McNally I trust!

I totally agree with the OP. Belief and motivation are one half of the battle. We used to have that, which went some way towards making up for our lack in quality. And it''s something that Russell Martin mentioned on Canary Call apparently.. and maybe to the board?

Perhaps we can add the Senior pro who went to the board to voice his concerns to this list? Who I think might''ve been Martin.

Very good post Daniel. You should look at getting your articles on more things, like MyFootballWriter maybe? It sickens me that the only thing people are reading are opinions of idiots like Lineker and Savage and the tw*ts that write for the tabloids, would be good to get more exposure of articles written by people who know a little bit about our club.

I agree, but I think its sadly around the level of manager we can expect.

Yes it has worked well for Palace and Pullis this season - I''m not saying it hasn''t. Please note I only said "perhaps we should''ve.." as I am just offering up a thought rather than trying to say I''m right. I just mean Swansea have a clear aim and a philosophy from the board downwards about the way they play and the managers have to fit into that. It''s just a different way of doing things, and you could argue that it''s not going well for them this season - but what Norwich fan isn''t secretly envious of their players and the way they play the game? I can be honest and say I wish it was our philosophy to play in a similar way, much like our successful teams did in the quite-distant and not-so-distant past.

Just seen this rumour flying about the net. I''m just speculating, but what if the timing of this means there''s been talks already and he had to wait until Hughton was sacked? Interesting.

.. (when we were looking for Lambert''s replacement) In that when they lose/sack a manager, they try to replace them with someone who plays the same way as Martinez did, to continue a legacy. We''re famed for trying to play good attacking football, on the ground and not in the air, and Lambert gave us that. Perhaps we should''ve found another young, hungry manager who played his teams in the same way, instead of playing the safest looking card (ie, most experienced we could get) in Hughton. I hope Adams brings back the football we like to see, and believe we should be playing. Perhaps he can continue the tradition and be successful with it?