Ian

Right. So you''re telling me that 2m is enough to bring in 2/3 players of real quality?

[quote]Due to work commitments and holiday I have been out of the loop recently, literally just seeing results on teletext and not seeing any highlights. So what I am asking you guys is what is going wrong? ...[/quote] Generating a lot of chances, dominating the majority of the play, but unable to defend and/or finish.

[quote]I hate loan deals okay. Why? the player never really commits to the club ie. Crouch, Harper and Bentley. And when their loan deal is up, you have to start all over again. Its also a typical ''small ...[/quote] Wizard, you''re up and down like a yo-yo.Firsly, you hate Worthington, then you''re his number one fan because he doesn''t sell Ashton, and now you''re calling him Worthless to go along with the crowd.I''m bored of all this sack Worthy nonsense I really am.Besides which, back to the point of the thread. Loans are an excellent method of adding quality to a squad if you are a team without much money. Let''s face it, Norwich do not have a great deal of money. Frankly I''d rather have players who "don''t commit to the squad" (wrong) that a club that is in serious debt and possibly, administration. Some people need a reality check I think.

[quote]Good post, I agree that sacking Worthy now would be too much of a knee jerk reaction. In a freaky kind of way this poor start is almost (and I say almost very reluctantly) a good thing as it''s made u...[/quote] I agree. Not only does it take a great manager to win games when things are going well, but it takes a great manager to turn things around when things are not going well. Whether Worthington is a great manager remains to be seen, but sacking him and getting someone else in would be absolutely suicidal.

[quote]This is for the benefit of that fool called Nigel Worthington, learn from Sir Fergie. ''But we thought the wiz was giving NW 10 games'' and ''leap of faith'' and all that you say. But after his non sup...[/quote] A very silly post.

[quote]During the game his analysis is often very good but like you say... his inability to criticise players and the manager when it is obvious is surely detracting from the service that is being provided t...[/quote] Were you at the game today? I thought Fleming was actually pretty solid/ Secondly, I find Neil Adams'' comments are spot on 90% of the time -- he''s an experienced footballer who probably knows exactly what it''s like to find himself in this situation. Maybe I''m subject to the media, but I tend to take not of his comments more than the majority of "Canary-Call" fans who ring in with pretty much the same comments week in, week out. That said, I''d be so very upset if I found out he was employed by the club in some capacity...

I mostly agree. If Ashton had taken his golden chances we would probably have come out on top. The midfield looked much stronger with Brennan on the left. He and Safri seemed to be the only players who wanted to actually put the ball on the floor and play passing football. Secondly, I felt quite sorry for Gary Doherty when he got booed and ridiucled today. When the incident occured that involved him having to put the ball out for a throw... well, he had no shout from Green at all -- where was the "Man On" call? I find myself feeling a bit ashamed of some of the fans who are looking for their "whipping boys" to take out the season''s frustrations on. An improvment, but we seem to have forgotten how to score.

[quote]Sorely missed, and would be in the current starting 11 on merit. thorne has been unlucky, with his 5 minute run outs and his injury V. mk. but why not offer 30 year old Svensson a 2 year deal and lose...[/quote] I found myself watching the majority of last season''s match highlights, and found that the major providers of quality crosses into the box, resulting in quite a large proportion of our goals, were in fact Helveg and Bentley. A lot of top quality headed finishes were provided by Matty Svennson (Bolton game anyone?!). Is it perhaps a coincidence that we''ve struggled with both of the above this season?

[quote]After yet another dire display can there be any one out there who still thinks W is the answer? 5 games, 4 at home, 3 goals scored, 5 conceeded, 3 points - and all of this after last season''s debacle...[/quote] He still has to be in. For me, Worthy can still provide the goods, and who ever said football was about pic''n''mix managers? If by mid-season we are performing under our expectations... well that''s when serious thought has to be put into the managerial and coaching situations.

[quote]I largely agree with Saint Canary and Mook. Both these fans regularly contribute reasoned and well constructed posts with very valid points of view. If I had my way they would both be heading the list...[/quote] The whole point of Ashton signing a new contract was to indicate to the media, fans, and any other clubs that may be interested, that he is not for sale at this current time. Of course, this may change over the coming seasons, and nobody is saying he will definitely be with us for four years, but it was a brilliant move IMO as it puts an end to the endless speculation, and more importantly, allows Deano to get on with his job without the constant stress of "Ashton linked to West Ham, Ashton linked to Man City" etc. etc.

[quote]I am one of the 13 odd who should slag off this post - but i can''t be bothered as it is a waste of my time wasting time at work.[/quote] My sentiments exactly. Find me a manager who hasn''t made mistakes and I''ll give you the moon on a stick.

[quote]A good point, well made, who could possibly argue? One of the most well-constructed arguments I''ve ever read in my life. Are you Richard Balls?[/quote] Now, now...!

[quote]ashton only signed a new contract today cos we cudn''t get morrison, cos it was clear that if we got morrison then ashton would have been sold to maybe the likes of west brom, wigan, west ham ..... for...[/quote] What is it with some supporters and always having to make the worst out of something good?

I know it''s just one guy''s opinion, but when he come out with things like: Behind the scenes, Ashton will have spoken to those courting his signature. It is illegal, but it happens. I don''t think there''s any evidence of Ashton being tapped up, and that quote makes it sound like a dead cert he''s off! Really narks me off to be honest.

[quote]Slightly closer to home... Has anyone got their Pink ''Un Out in front of Delia?[/quote] I''m sure a few people must have...!

Well it wasn''t Shakespeare that''s for sure, but we won and it is results that count. At least we''ve still got the guts to keep going right until the end. I''m quite chuffed Brennan''s found a bit of form again too, I feel a few 25 yard stonkers coming from him this season!

To be honest, I think a lot of fans are now convinced we won''t win a game this season, and perhaps their frustration is understandable going on current form.However, people seem to forget that even the great teams and players have poor runs of form. We ARE capable of beating the majority of teams in this league, we just have to get our self-belief back, and what better way to do this than by stuffing Leeds on Sat?! Here''s hoping!The worst thing would be for a few games to go by with us still not getting 3 points -- can you imagine another scenario like last season when we went 13 games without a loss?!

Was listening to Radio Norfolk, and it sounded like McKenzie should have had a least a hat-trick, and Peter Thorne had one cleared off the line. We HAVE got the required quality in our team to do well this season, but for one reason or another, it isn''t happening yet. Compare the squad we have now to the squad we had 03/04, and it''s pretty clear to me we have one that is superior, but is hugely lacking in confidence due to the pressure of not getting the results, and the difficulties we had last season. Fans getting on the manager''s and the players'' backs and BOOING players off the pitch is not helping matters. The lack of creative play last night was worrying, but Safri and Brennan sounded very good, and lets not forget our two biggest attacking players were out, to be replaced with someone who hasn''t yet played more than 15 minutes a game, and someone else who seems to be lacking in confidence. It''s hardly surprising that we didn''t score any in normal time, even though we had about 8 good chances to score. Some people seem to think that because we''ve had a season in the Premiership, we are now going to be vastly superior to every team we play in our current division. This was never going to be the case. Perhaps a reality check is in order?

Bearing in mind the pasting he''s taken on this board from some people, didn''t anyone see our goal against Palace? Great strength and a great cross giving Deano a great chance to finish! If he starts doing that regularly, then I think he''ll be well worth the £500k we paid for him. Shame he''s injured now really, I would like to see if his ball retention, which hasn''t been great, improves once he''s settled in fully. Comments?

The real reason for the criticism is that expectations are higher than they''ve ever been this season. If these expectations aren''t being met, then understandably, people will try and analyse why it''s not happening. The whole thing then snowballs, and before you know it, 4 games into the season people are calling for Worthy''s head. Of course, unrest within the fans definitely affects the players and the managerial staff, making things even worse, but the lack of realism shown by some people on here is pretty astounding. Just because we''ve had a season of Premiership experience does not suddenly mean we''ll be beating every Championship team 3-0. It is a long, tough league, and our players need time to adapt and gel, and more importantly, to retrieve their self-belief and confidence. I predict that when our first win comes, many more will follow! Let''s just hope it''s tonight!

Wow, I never thought I''d hear myself say this, but I agree within the Wiz 100%!

I agree, Worthington is completely useless. Any old fool could get a mid/lower table team up into the Premiership, mastermind victories against Man Utd and Newcastle with a squad worth about as much as Rooney''s left leg, whilst signing some incredible players over the two seasons (Huckerby, Safri, Ashton of course). We''ve had a poor start, no doubt, but anyone who thought we were going to walk the Championship clearly hasn''t got a clue. Frankly, I''d like the "sack Worthy" threads to end because they''re monotonous, boring, dull, samey, and generally aggrivating. To see the amount of "armchair managers", who clearly have far better credentials than Worthy, but just choose to post their rubbish on message boards instead of taking up offers in the football league, is simply laughable. If we still haven''t won after the next few games, then of course, we need to have a serious look at what is going wrong -- but until then can''t we stop repeating the same things over and over again?! This is further compounded by the fact that as a team we''ve generated a lot of chances, we just haven''t got the finishing touch yet. Patience is a virtue, so they say. Each to their own however, of course.

Playing devil''s advocate perhaps?!

No.

Oops, sorry Bob Bob, that reply was targetted at the thread author, not you! :$