Fuglestad

Roeder is respected within football. I don''t think he is neccesarily respected as a manager. At both West Sham and the Barcode Army he was promoted from within, originally appointed as a coach or youth development guy. Which is also the position Wenger wanted him for. I think Roeder is a better manager than Grant, but it could be that they are both suited to other jobs within football. In my opinion Roeder will ultimately fail as a manager because he needs someone in charge to keep his ego in check, Grant needs someone to keep his emotions in check.

I will certainly never stop supporting City but to be honest I''m fed up with "top level" football in general. I will certainly be planning a trip to Kings Lynn when I return to the country. I think a lot of people feel the same way. What is there to support anymore?

Norwich City and Tottenham Hotspur are set to be investigated by the FA for a bizarre transfer deal involving a player who doesn''t actually exist. Suspitions were raised when Norwich City registered a player with the clearly fictional name Troy Achibald-Henville. Glenn Roeder said earlier today: "I was going along with my tried and tested "lucky-dip" loan policy. Someone at Spurs told me he was good, I thought it odd we were down on numbers in training, but it can get confusing. I still believe I was right to sign him though, his lack of presence has been invaluable to the team. Anybody who says otherwise knows nothing about football."

[quote user="lincoln canary"]i would sell cureton for 25k to pay for another months wages for lita, because i can gurantee lita will score more in the month than cureton will over the course of a season. [/quote]No you can''t. I think personally (putting tin helmet on) that Cureton would get a good few goals in this side if we play him regularly. It is undeniable that he is capable of finishing chances, he just needs confidence. Unfortunately we don''t have time to wait for him to get it, and he won''t get it with the Carrow Road groans ringing in his ears. I think a loan move would be good for both parties. I''d really like to see him prove everyone wrong.

[quote user="BlyBlyBabes"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="BlyBlyBabes"] 1. He''s a PR man. 2. It''s probably the only convenient place he could find to smoke a cigarette in peace. 3. He''s ''being cleverer than the rest''. 4. He''s been briefed to suss out the atmosphere by the MSHs. 5. He''s a PR man. OTBC     [/quote] Go on Bly - make it personal why don''t you? That was my biggest problem with the Worthy Out campaign (and even the Chase Out Protests)and will be my biggest problem when people like you make uninformed posts like this. Robert Chase is a Norwich City fan and a decent person. He made mistakes and got caught out. Many of us didn''t believe all the personal allegations about him, the calling him dishonest and accusing him of lining his pockets with the football clubs money. We just didn''t like the way he was running our football club. Nigel Worthington is a good honest manager who had done well at this football club and always believed he still could even when most fans wanted a change. The personal insults thrown his way were disgraceful. I won''t list them all here but many of them had nothing to do with managing a football club but were nasty and vindictive to him as a person. Roger Munby may well be in the PR business but like Delia Smith, MWJ, and Neil Doncaster he is always approachable at football grounds all around the country. Always happy to talk about the game and performances in victory and defeat. This has been the case for the last 10 years and not just since the no smoking legislation came in. Those that accuse them of only being visible when the cameras are there are in truth fans who only see the games when the cameras are there. Fans may well have different views to the board on the way the football club is run but where is the need for uninformed personal jibes like these? [/quote] What is uninformed or personal about this? Being a jolly good chap does not make you a successful professional football club chairman in 2008, but it may well help you to be a fine PR man. I smoked cigarettes for over 33 years and know the difficulties of not impinging on others sensibilities only too well. That does not mean it would not be a rational reason for an inveterate smoker to find himself outside after the game. I would if I was still smoking. It''s just good manners. On the question of the ''cleverer than the rest'' quote, Roger made this observation which was reported by Archant just prior to last season - and you know it. The old amateur ethos seems to have hold of a set of posters on this board along the lines of '' its not the winning, but the taking part - and how you play the game, rather than the winning of the game. And no, before you go down that route - the alternative is not Abramovich et al, its South/Watling/Chase. OK, Roger is a nice man. Pity that he''s chairman of a persistently unsuccessful NCFC board though. Its tough at the top - and far from me to say that nice guys come last - but the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Yes, Roger''s a nice guy, good PR man---------------but with respect to NCFC''s performance in its core business - playing professional football - so what? C''est la vie. You win some, you lose some. One love. OTBC Oh, and by the way, if he didn''t explore the atmosphere among the fans after a match he wouldn''t be doing his job (for which he gets paid) now would he.            [/quote] Are you seriously suggesting that all club chairmen stand outside and talk to fans after a game?

Get on the bloody phone Glenn.

I think the problem is that we field a different back four every week. Players (especially at this level) need stability and to get to know each others games inside out. Dixon - Bould - Adams - Winterburn - best defence I''ve ever seen because they played together week in week out, year in year out. Edworthy - Fleming - Mackay - Drury - our best defence in recent years because they played together week in week out. Culverhouse - Butterworth - Polston - Bowen - same deal.    

I think all this "active" rubbish hasn''t helped. I don''t think referees, fans, managers or players truly and fully understand the offside rule anymore. I am also convinced that a lot of referees are not neccesarily bent but certainly have grudges against certain players and clubs. The way Iwan would get penalised for every header some weeks and get away with it and be laughing with the ref the next, for example.

Semmy and Drury when fit, should be our full backs in my opinion.

I think that we should be able to stand at football matches. I''m told you can in Germany and if anybody has seen Oasis play at the City of Manchester stadium, their fans were jumping from the top tier to the bottom, standing, jumping, singing. The atmosphere is pathetic at Carrow Road and most other grounds this is because if you don''t stand you don''t sing. I hate the FA.

[quote user="norfolkbroadslim"][quote user="Fuglestad"]I know that as fans we all want to see the club do well. But nobody seems to talk about winning the Championship, it''s about escaping the Championship and getting to the promised land. Well say we do get an investor they give us enough money to get promoted, then what? Is the Premiership that great? I know I didn''t have a great time watching Arsenal take the piss out of us at Carrow Road.I want to see us win this league again. It''s not about getting out, I just want to see my team play well and win something. If we go up we will lose most games and then what? Moan moan moan, board out? or do we just want to see world class players pass it round us every week?I''m not having a go, just interested about why people crave "the premiership" so much. [/quote] erm, but if we win the Championship, we go up[*-)] Obviously. What I''m saying is I look forward to us one day winning the Championship, then getting to the Premiership but the highlight for me would be winning this league. It seems to me a lot of people just want to escape and that success in this league is only a means to an end rather than the highlight of supporting this club. [/quote]

I know that as fans we all want to see the club do well. But nobody seems to talk about winning the Championship, it''s about escaping the Championship and getting to the promised land. Well say we do get an investor they give us enough money to get promoted, then what? Is the Premiership that great? I know I didn''t have a great time watching Arsenal take the piss out of us at Carrow Road.I want to see us win this league again. It''s not about getting out, I just want to see my team play well and win something. If we go up we will lose most games and then what? Moan moan moan, board out? or do we just want to see world class players pass it round us every week?I''m not having a go, just interested about why people crave "the premiership" so much.

[quote user="beejinz"]All the sad saps that said the Doc was great must now eat sh*t Our defence is rubbish [/quote]You are a tit.

[quote user="Camuldonum"][quote user="Fuglestad"]I had often wondered why a player get''s booked for taking his shirt off. Somebody told me recently that it is an effort by the powers that be to make English football more marketable to certain areas of the world who deem a topless male to be offensive. Anyone know anything about this? or any other possible reasons? [/quote] http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/adrian-chiles-memo-to-the-fa-what-so-terrible-about-taking-your-shirt-off-675757.html [/quote]Thanks Camuldonum, an interesting if frustrating read.

[quote user="Hardhouse44"][quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="gazzathegreat"]Beejinz it''s not a matter of anyone being either pleased or not about the club, we are discussing the merits of Doherty - it''s true to say that since he''s had a more experienced partner at the back he''s come on in leaps and bounds. He was rock solid yesterday and filled me with confidence, something missing in his previous seasons. There are many improvements to be made to our team, but at least we can say Doherty has improved and is a worthy member of the side. Well done Doc.[/quote]Well said.  He''s a decent Championship centre back in good form and I''d pick him as the first centre back and let Dejan/Kennedy compete for the second place.[/quote]I agree. Here''s something else to be said about him, which I''ll get stick for. The guy, for a big guy has good turn of pace. And whilst I''m not saying he''s lightening you rarely see him  get stripped for pace.He''s what he is, a good honest player who works his sock off for the cause. [/quote]I''ve been told that the Doc is one of our fastest players over 30 yards but one of the slowest over 10 yards. Is quite quick but can''t accelerate.

I don''t think it works really. If people want to get pissed up and fight they''ll just do it after the game. It also kills any atmosphere at the game, not that there''s much to kill.

I had often wondered why a player get''s booked for taking his shirt off. Somebody told me recently that it is an effort by the powers that be to make English football more marketable to certain areas of the world who deem a topless male to be offensive. Anyone know anything about this? or any other possible reasons?

[quote user="Arturo Whittoli"][quote user="The Walking Man"][quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="1st Wizard"] Or indeed, footy in general? Financially, I do what I can to support City these days, which compared to most of you on here is no doubt a pittance!. What with the credit squeeze, massive public utilities charges, food, morgage/rent petrol etc, can you justify watching footy these days? And supporting a team in the Premiership is even harder on your money I understand. This isn''t just a Norwich problem, its a footy problem in general. If our game carries on in this fashion of sky high prices, can it survive in its present format, I''m doubtful it can! [/quote] In the time I''ve been watching football (since the late 60s) the demographic has changed out of all recognition and there is no doubt that a lot of supporters have been priced out of the game and replaced by Roy Keane''s "prawn sandwich brigade".Having said that,the corollary is that going to football is a less edgy experience in some ways (less crushes outside grounds, terrace violence largely eradicated) ,but with an inevitable loss of passion.Its now rather sanitised,in my view, and not as enjoyable. The amount of money in the game goes up and up,both as a result of Sky and foreign investors looking for a toy,and ticket prices rise as clubs try (unsucessfully) to balance the books.That can''t go on for ever,and the bubble (like all bubbles) has to burst.When that happens,and we now have perfect economic conditions for it,the fallout could be dramatic.For example,what would happen to Chelsea if Abramovich reacted to the huge drop in his personal fortune by calling in his interest free loans (yes,there not just a D&M phenomenon)? In answer to your question,Wiz,ticket prices are already excluding some fans and will inevitably exclude more as the recession really sets in.What is more,there is another section of people who go to games(usually in corporate boxes) because its fashionable to do so,not because of love for the game. A lot of companies will be looking very hard at whether to renew their boxes next season because of the financial crisis,and if clubs suddenly find themselves with empty corporate boxes it spells a very significant drop in income.As you say,this is not a Norwich problem,its a football problem.   [/quote]     There was the argument in the first place to say that the initial reason for a hike in ticket prices was to exclude the hooligans who were so prominent in the 70''s and 80''s, and you''ve got to say it has worked on the whole. But like I said I think players wages will drop and therefore ticket prices before we see premer league games played infront of 3-4000 people (Wigan excluded) [/quote] Utter crap and an absoloute myth! Is this the old stereotype that all hooligans are unemployed skinheads who wear Doc Martins? Look, my son to my shame has been involved in some naughty goings on with Norwich and England, culmanating in him being arrested and deported from an England match and being disowned by me. Now he has sorted his life out, but still sees and occasionaly goes to a match with his old mates, not causing trouble anymore I might add. Now let me point this out to you, anyone who is foolish enough to believe The Tabloids crap about hooligans being thick unemployed turnips is living with there heads in the sand. Football violence didnt die a death because of ticket prices, these people have well paid jobs and probably earn more than me and you, and wear top range clothes. Football hooligans simply moved things to the streets and city centres as its harder to arrest someone for football hooliganism when they are not near the ground. Im ashamed to say, through my son that I unfortunatly know what im talking about, but hes grown up now, behaves himself, and we love him.   [/quote]This is all true Arturo. Hooliganism has just moved out of the grounds. I know of a few guys who used to be fighting at Carrow Road on a regular basis, mostly run their own businesses. They still go but don''t fight mostly because they''re now pushing fifty and have kids. Still wouldn''t argue with them though. I suggest to anyone who think that "hooliganism" has gone away to take a casual stroll whilst sober down Prince of Wales road at one in the morning. All that''s happened is they''ve taken the football out but it never had much to do with football in the first place.

[quote user="BlyBlyBabes"][quote user="Willmeister"]I go to University in Bath so getting to Norwich can cost upto £80 on the train plus there is the ticket itself and all the rest that goes with football and I just can''t afford to do it.[/quote] Hitchhike. I used to - from as far as Cardiff, at one time. Often quicker too! Take a book & some notes with you. OTBC   [/quote]It''s a shame Bly but it is nigh on impossible to hitchhike in England these days. Nobody picks up. I am currently living in a part of the world where you see hitchhikers a lot and they are picked up within minutes. It''s very refreshing but you''ve got no chance in England.

[quote user="crafty canary"]Tony Cottee on SSN said it was a definite penalty and Dejan was lucky not to get a red card. We are giving aweay a worrying number of penalties this season.[/quote] The fact that you listen to Tony Cottee''s opinion says it all. He''s an annoying little git, who''s had it in for us since he joined us and realised he was old and crap.

[quote user="barclay_troy"][quote user="Fuglestad"]I still think a winger should be able to cross. Croft reminds me of Rivers charge down the line all you like, but the best we ever get out of it is a corner. Still he seems to be scoring this season so let''s hope he can continue to improve his game. [/quote]But we train them like that, fox was just the same.[/quote] There may be something in that but Fox was certainly a better crosser than Rivers or Croft. Also we can hardly be responsible for "training" Rivers, Dario Gradi made him and that guy trains players to pass.

I still think a winger should be able to cross. Croft reminds me of Rivers charge down the line all you like, but the best we ever get out of it is a corner. Still he seems to be scoring this season so let''s hope he can continue to improve his game.

[quote user="Bobert"]Fuddrs take no notice or these cracks about your spelling. They are being very impolite. Its communication that is important and not spelling. The dictionary was not invented until the 1820''s and I venture to suggest that we would all be a lot further on in life if it had not been for small minded English teachers striking out words in red pencil because they were mis-spelled according to the Oxford English.[/quote]Yes it is communication that is important rather than spelling but if your spelling and grammar is so bad you cannot communicate then it is probably time to brush up, or in this Chris''s case go to school rather than starting inane threads on here. I had to read the original post twice to make any sense of it. I read books and am used to reading coherent sentences. Presumably if all you read is text messages then it is easy to understand this nonsense. Personally I think this message board should not allow anyone to start a thread unless they have passed a spelling and grammar test and also posted at least ten times, without being outed as a scummer.

To be fair Ronaldo et al have players like Scholes, Giggs and Carrick to give a quick pass to, who will then in turn play a defense splitting pass to set up a goal. Even in our best side Hucks had Holty or Francis to pass to. If I was Hucks I''d have bloody ran with it. Even so all players at this level must be limited in some way. We didn''t want Malky to try 50 yard pin point passes, we didn''t want Holt to shoot. Hucks was playing to his strengths and he did it bloody well. I still think if he was here he''d be our biggest attacking threat, and I don''t think we have any players in the squad who are as good as he is. Sorry.

[quote user="a1canary"]This guy will make himself a fortune through fat payoffs! First Charlton, then Coventry, now QPR. Who''s the next team he''ll manage for 5 minutes before taking their money![/quote]Hope to christ it''s not us. Though he would seem a plausible appointment if he''s out of work at the end of the season and Roeder moves on. Sorry really shouldn''t even think of it, a horrible manager. I''m still annoyed he got in the dictionary for "bounce-backability" hardly a new word if you just lump three together. grrr.