Fuglestad

[quote user="grantroederdisaster"]Being serious now, messrs Bowket and Mcnally said they had looked at the possibility of moving and said its not viable and rightly so!   Carrow Road could be expanded to over 40,000 if need be and is in the best place - walking distance from the City centre, not far from train station and not far from A47. Moving to a souless bowl on the A47 would kill the great atmosphere the club has at Carrow Road and logistically would cause more problems, particularly bussing fans from the train station and City centre!   Norwich City FC is a great club with a ground in the traditional heartland , lets not spoil that! [/quote]Quite right.

[quote user="singing canary"]well said . lost us a few points in the championship last time . he is too hot headed when players from other teams who get the better of him . do we want players who do not want to put on the yellow shirt ..? the is more consistent decent mid-field players out there . im not sad too see him go ,a decent first division player at best .[/quote]Well he didn''t want to be at Norwich last season did he? He wanted to leave and only stayed because either Norwich wouldn''t accept a bid, or more likely because he soon realised, he could get a bigger contract for himself if he hung around until he could leave on a bosman.

[quote user="morty"]Fugelstad, football has changed, and will continue to change. If you don''t like it, don''t watch it.Or keep watching and whine a lot, your call.[:)][/quote]I have more options that that thanks, and resent you giving me ultimatums! I will continue to watch the football I enjoy watching, I won''t watch the football I don''t. I want change in football. Massive, colossal, starting from scratch, kind of change, but for the better not to maximise profits. I''m not whining just fed up of being told that things are better, when for me the only changes seem to be to take the fun and character out of everything. I am not old and stuck in my ways, I am 26 and embrace change for the better, but not re-branding and sanitising. I resent being told what to think and you seem to be quoting marketing baloney as fact. Football has changed, in a few ways for the better, but it has lost a lot of what made it special. I don''t like the assumption that all change is better just because it is newer, shinier and more expensive.

[quote user="morty"][quote user="ncfcrooferman"][quote user="morty"][quote user="ncfcrooferman"]no the past is not coming back but the facts never lie .....sky has destroyed football the rich get richer the rest get crumbs i know what i would rather have 3pm ko on a Saturday for everybody and a fair playing field !!!!! :D[/quote]Its just as well you''re not making a massive drama out of this lol. Jesus, if we''re not on the telly, people moan, if we are, they moan.Oh, and they are only facts in your opinion. I''m guessing you have some kind of romantic notion of old football, and am guessing that you''re advanced in years. Football in England was on its arse before Sky started pumping money in. [/quote] I am 41 been going to Carrow Rd since 1975 so not that old and yes in my honest opinion football in the late 70`s and early 80`s is light years away from the dross we call football theses day and yes that is partly down to sky flooding the game with blood money to tempt mercenary footballs from abroad to play for mega bucks leaving nothing in exchange.Football was on its ass before sky how do we work that one out ? no clubs going out of business because of reliance on tv monies we where just getting back to winning things in Europe after uefa banned us.In 1990 we had just come the closest for 24 years to winning the world cup stadiums had started to be rebuilt all this long before sky turned up !!!!! How old are you Morty out of intrest ?[/quote]Older than you.I think you are looking back on good memories with rose tinted glasses. Seriously mate, a majority of football was tripe, and its just as well more of it wasn''t on the telly as it really wasn''t worth watching on the whole.Do you think we would have the world supertars that grace our Premier league, the fantastic stadiums and worldwide interest in the Premiership? I suspect that had the Sky money not been there, there would have been far more clubs gone to the wall before now. The game has been elevated into a global entertainment media that catches peoples interest. When I first started going to Carrow road there were crowds of 11 or 12 thousand, and maybe 15k for the derby, would you rather go back to that?[/quote]You really have been watching too much Sky. Fantastic Stadiums! Horrid, dull, out of town, life-less, soundless, shells which all look the bloody same. ARRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHH

[quote user="morty"][quote user="ncfcrooferman"]no the past is not coming back but the facts never lie .....sky has destroyed football the rich get richer the rest get crumbs i know what i would rather have 3pm ko on a Saturday for everybody and a fair playing field !!!!! :D[/quote]Its just as well you''re not making a massive drama out of this lol. Jesus, if we''re not on the telly, people moan, if we are, they moan.Oh, and they are only facts in your opinion. I''m guessing you have some kind of romantic notion of old football, and am guessing that you''re advanced in years. Football in England was on its arse before Sky started pumping money in. [/quote]It wasn''t on it''s arse, it just wasn''t widely popular. Things are not neccesarily better just because they get a lot of people to be mildly interested in it, and things are not neccesarily better if they make more money. Do you think supporters of other sports look at football and think "I wish my sport was more like that"? The moneymen maybe, and the casuals, but not many supporters.

[quote user="City1st"]"at people not actually seeing what Sky MONEY has actually done for the standards of English football"Yep, about 90% of clubs horrendously in debt. The game in this country virtually at bankruptcy and fans made to dance to the tune of some TV company.Perhaps some see the ''English game'' as a bit more than the top half a dozen clubs in the Premiership. [/quote]Sky has runined the game for me, I''m just clinging on in futile hope of the armchair fans getting bored and going away. I imagine the people who think the game is better now than it was, have watched quite a lot of Sky, and have been brainwashed by Sky''s persistant banging on about how great everything is. I don''t watch much post-match analysis, but the BBC after the England-Slovenia game was hilarious and dishonest blatant promotion of the "product", and from what I have seen Sky ups the ante on that.The real knife in the back will be when video replays are brought in to help referees. I enjoy Sky''s balanced arguments when they broadcast on the subject, anyone would think they have some hidden agenda. Who would be "creating" these images for the referee to view? Who would choose the camera angle? The way Sky has "helped" English football is by bringing in enough money to employ a few technically superior overseas players. In my view the damage caused by the financial gap, the general disrespect to supporters who actually go to games, and the gradual sanitisation and adaptation of the rules and many other things, is not compensated adequately by seeing some arse like Drogba score a few wondergoals. You brainwashed twits!

I look forward to all your grown up and reasonable responses when some bigger club poaches Lambert from us. If say West Ham for example were to poach him after two games of the coming season how would you feel? I expect you would all say that it is quite reasonable for him to leave to go to a bigger club.

[quote user="Graham Humphrey"][quote user="First Wazzock"]He''s too slow and has a tendancy to hoof it.[/quote]To be fair Mackay was the same.[/quote]Let''s just get this straight. Nelson is a poor man''s Doc, and Doc is a poor man''s Malky.

[quote user="Adam NCFC"]Really does depend on the service, we desperatley need a tricky quick skillful winger to give good service.. I don''t think McNamee is this... When Crofty and Hucks were at their best, it was quality, as the service was excellent and we always looked a threat, we need this again [y][/quote]Cough Cough. "Crofty''s" service was never ever ever excellent, in fact it fell way short of being decent. He could not cross at all. Hucks on the other hand...

[quote user="LotharMatthaus"]Why don''t we hold a local band showcase or something? There''s a few relatively big bands that are from Norwich, get them all together and have an all day concert. The Kabeedies, The Brownies, Violet Violet, Tin Man, The Barlights, We Can''t Dance, Apollo 101 just to name a few...[/quote] Because those bands, despite being pretty good to varying degrees, would struggle to sell out the UEA.

[quote user="nutty nigel"]No it''s not "Exactly Fugelstad". I have already said that I don''t condone what happened to you or to Fuglestad but I don''t agree that 2000 fans should have been held back for half an hour because of the actions of the few. Those few should be punished in the same way as as similar offenders would be punished for their actions. What they did was not acceptable but it shouldn''t be treated  any different because it was before and after a football match. Branding all fans as hooligans is not the way forward in my book. But we can agree to differ about holding fans back without me being classed as lippy surely. And why it''s not "exactly Fuglestad" is because holding away fans back for a while after the game is not part and parcel of travelling away to watch football. In fact the opposite is true in most cases where the stewards and police like to get you out and on your way as soon as possible. Football has moved on and over the last 10 years, in probably 150 away games I have attended, I have only been held back at ipswich. Last night I got home at 3:30am. I wouldn''t have got home ''til 4am if we''d been held back half an hour. I wouldn''t have been too happy if that happened because a few people couldn''t behave themselves.   [/quote]Whether or not you or I agree with the policy, apparently keeping fans back for a short time is police policy for games where there might be trouble. Usually with Norwich City it is only Ipswich who are likely to cause major problems. Most matches there are no worries whatsoever. All I am saying is, if this is the policy then it should have been applied for a "six pointer" against a club like Leeds. It was obvious to anyone with any experience of football or Leeds fans that there would be problems. Norwich fans, on the whole do not act, and do not have a history of acting as Leeds fans did last week. Leeds United should be judged on their collective conduct and if some peace-loving fans have to be kept behind for twenty minutes, then that is the price they pay for following such a hideous club. If we play them again, I think they should be held back, with last weeks madness as justification. Twenty minutes inconvenience to avoid mass violence seems reasonable to me, assuming you have evidence to suggest that there is potential for violence. Which in the case of Leeds away from home, you do.If Leeds United''s peace-loving, non-violent fans are so horrendously inconvenienced by being held back after games, perhaps they should work towards ousting violent people from their club. They could identify culprits to the police, lobby the people who run the club to make a greater effort to control their travelling support, the fans association or whatever they have could appologise and condemn the actions of the minority of their fans last week. I think if people are happy to ignore the violence of a group they are part of they are in a way responsible and while I wouldn''t want them to be punished, inconvenience is reasonable, given that we do not live in a perfect world and certainly do not follow a perfect game.

[quote user="nutty nigel"]Smudger, holding fans in after the game wouldn''t have made any difference to what happened to you. Herding fans to and from the game only works for those who come by train or bus anyway. I didn''t go to Millwall this season but I have been to the New Den three times previously. When I went on the bus it virtually took us into the away stand and is right outside after the game to take you out. You don''t even see a Millwall fan because the segregation is so good. But another time I went in the car and we parked on the industrial estate and managed to get ourselves in and out of the ground without any bother. One local was a bit surprised to see us walking the streets showing colours but I never felt threatened. I would imagine there were a lot more City fans this season which is why the police thought there was a bigger potential for trouble. And I''m sure you and Mello are right that you felt safer because of it and it didn''t really cause you a problem. Norwich and Leeds to have something in common though. We are both clubs with huge support from all over the country. We both have supporters groups all over the country and most away games are home games for many fans. We can have 1,000 fans at a place like Southampton with only a couple of hundred travelling from Norwich. Leeds are the same. This is probably why there were so many small groups of Leeds fans all over the city on Saturday. I don''t know the answer to this but I don''t think it''s going back and treating away fans the way we were treated in the 70''s & 80''s. That just builds up frustration. If the Norwich fans had been asked to stay behind while the Leeds fans left in safety there would have been a lot more complaints on here.   [/quote]I was attacked outside the train station within fifteen minutes of the final whistle. Keeping fans locked in, has to at least limit the amount of attacks, especially on people who don''t want to be involved. I didn''t want a fight, so thought I''d get off home sharpish, before the Leeds fans were let out. I was amazed they weren''t kept in, as people keep pointing out, it is not out of the ordinary to keep fans in for a while after the game, and is in fact part and parcel of travelling away to watch football.

[quote user="Lambert is King"][quote user="Smudger"][quote user="Fuglestad"]On returning to work today, I discovered a disabled child was attacked on Saturday. He was with his family and Leeds fans got out of a car to attack them. This is all rather grim, but I think anyone who has bothered to post on this thread should be writing/emailing/phoning the police. I made a complaint yesterday to Norfolk Constabulary, and forwarded this to NCFC, LUFC and Archant. So far Leeds have replied informing me they have passed my message onto the Safety Officer and Chief Executive. My handwritten, grovelling apology from Ken Bates himself may be some way off. But, I genuinely feel better having acted. I urge anyone who got into even the slightest bother on Saturday to do the same. We Only Hate Leeds and Ipswich, Hate Leeds and Ipswich, We Only Hate Leeds and Ipswich....[/quote]I will be popping in to Bethel Street nick tomorrow to follow up about pressing charges on the muppet who twonked me one.If you want to give me the email addresses of those you contacted then feel free and I shall do my best to put a few lines together.[/quote]   Yes Fugle I would like you to print those email addresses to. This was different to anything I had seen before. I know how to avoid trouble, however with my young son with me I never usually have any problems home or away. There were so many instances of kids, ladies, disabled and vunlerable being targeted that you can only assume this was a planned target to try and provoke a major incident. The last thing our club or football in general needs is the kids to stop coming to games put off by scum like this  [/quote]Ok, well I went to www.norfolk.police.uk and filled in one of their complaints forms on the "Contact us" bit. They emailed me back today asking for my phone number so they could call me to discuss it. I also sent the same words to lorna@leedsunited.com who had forwarded my email to their Chief Executive and Safety Officer.I sent one to the club, just to the general email from the official site, and Richard Gough replied. Archant are yet to respond...but I just sent it to reception, so you''re probably better off just picking somebody random, as I did with Leeds, and sending it to them to pass onto whoever it concerns. I am looking forward to my call from Norfolk Constabulary. I am waiting to hear what they have to say before contacting either club. The main issues for me are:Surely unprovoked attacks on families should be an arrestable offence, even if nobody is seriously hurt. Who decided to let the Leeds fans out at full time?There were plenty of Police in the train station, enough to watch every inch of the site. Why were they standing around looking the other way and chatting? I think assurances from the club and police that if we ever play Leeds again they will definitely be held back for half an hour, would be an acceptable response. I think that is realistic, and will hassle the club, police and ARCHANT until this happens. Archant really need to report on this.

[quote user="Row D Seat 7"]Rioch and Roeder could be brothers.[/quote]Yes, Rioch being the sensible, polite and courteous brother continually embarrassed and ashamed of his sibling''s rude, obnoxious character and pitiful judgement. Just a few reminders in case there any any Roeder apologists lurking.He sold Joe Lewis and Chris Brown and used the money to buy Matty Pattison. Where are they now?He released Darren Huckerby.Also, I may well have missed somebody really obvious but is Hoolahan the only Roeder signing left? If so that''s quite impressive considering he''s only been gone 15 months. Oh and Gunny looks like an absolute tit in his glasses. I''m a big fan of the man, but the first time I saw him in the glasses, I knew he was doomed. For some reason those glasses make it about a hundred times harder to take him seriously.

On returning to work today, I discovered a disabled child was attacked on Saturday. He was with his family and Leeds fans got out of a car to attack them. This is all rather grim, but I think anyone who has bothered to post on this thread should be writing/emailing/phoning the police. I made a complaint yesterday to Norfolk Constabulary, and forwarded this to NCFC, LUFC and Archant. So far Leeds have replied informing me they have passed my message onto the Safety Officer and Chief Executive. My handwritten, grovelling apology from Ken Bates himself may be some way off. But, I genuinely feel better having acted. I urge anyone who got into even the slightest bother on Saturday to do the same. We Only Hate Leeds and Ipswich, Hate Leeds and Ipswich, We Only Hate Leeds and Ipswich....