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BigFish

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  1. BigFish

    New Labour Leader

    Electing an American born Old Etonian doesn't really support the idea that the country wants humble beginnings and a trade union background, KG. That said if Rayner had stood I think she would have had a good chance of being leader. I would have thought it might have led to a too leftie approach for your tastes.
  2. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    What this says is that Swindon will inevitably be a poorer town in 2022. Meanwhile, the government is intent on concentrating investment on the Red Wall seats so it is a town very much on its own. There is no plan to help. There will certainly be many more towns facing similar challanges as the impact of the trade deal or lack of it bites next year.
  3. BigFish

    New Labour Leader

    I think we agree more than we disagree on this, particularly when it comes to values. The rest is just semantics.
  4. BigFish

    New Labour Leader

    Strong analogy there @Van wink. The point I was trying to make was that core support no longer exists as a cohort in the electorate, the practical values you refer to are out of date and obsolete and the soul of the party needs to change if the modern progressive party I believe is possible is to emerge. I don't really buy this ideological group idea, I think there are a number of groups trying to feel their way to it. I don't hold a candle for Corbyn, and unlike @keelansgrandad I didn't for the miners. Both I think were on the wrong side of history, fighting the wrong battles at the wrong time. With hindsight I think we are where we are because the Iraq war. Without it Brown would have won in 2010, David rather than Ed Miliband would have followed him, Cameroon would never have become PM, Corbyn/Abbott/McDonnell/Stop the War would be backbenchers only recognised by political nerds and we would be in very different territory now. Still they have had their chance and will now be consigned to political history. Johnson does not offer anything to wind sections of society (including the Red Wall seats) and this will become obvious next year. Things could change very quickly.
  5. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    See @SwindonCanary I was just asking you to check your sources because what you posted was completely untrue. Thank you @TCCANARY for the quote that proves this. We are in a phoney war stage where the Leave campigners/government are pushing out a lot of Leave propaganda without regards to the UK having left the EU. Why they are doing this we can only surmise, we can now judge them on the outcomes of their actions. They do not need to keep selling unicorns. However, nothing is happening now and we won't begin to see the impact until next year. I think they know it is likely to be bumpy.
  6. BigFish

    New Labour Leader

    The nature of work and work itself has changed. The heavy industries that formed a foundation for organised Labour have largely disppeared. In other industries automation has reduced the numbers required. Legislation has reduced the powers of the Unions and the result has been the creation of a precarious gig economy for many. The job for life has largely gone for the working classes making the idea of apprenticeships largely redundant. The Labour Party needs to reflect this, and adapt. The old thinking will no longer bring any chance of of either electoral success or sucessful government. It is difficult, but the problems are not represented by old ideas of workers and work.
  7. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    Provide a link to BMW & Nissan saying they will move production to the UK if we go to WTO rules @SwindonCanary?
  8. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    Provide a link @SwindonCanary
  9. BigFish

    Rupp and Duda

    Wouldn't argue with any of that, my point was that a poster was criticising him when he was doing his job well. As it stands the team needs a CDM and his the best we have, no one else in squad can match him for the job. Whether he is good enough for the Prem is another question but the role is an expensive one to fill and replacements won't be cheap.
  10. BigFish

    New Labour Leader

    Yep, if dozebLabour had managed to squeeze even a couple of more per cent onto their vote share they could have saved dozens of seats and possibly won a few Tory ones. Still would have lost, but it would be a very different political landscape. That they didn't was down to three factors: 1) floating voters in marginal constitiencies were repelled by the Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbott axis; 2) the manifesto was rubbish, no one understood what Labour's aims are or believed the retail offer could be delivered; 3) The Party organisation was chaotic, focus was on the wrong seats, hubris around Momentum's canvassing machine, poor messaging......the list is long. Boring as he is, Starmer is best placed to resolve this. He won't repell, he might not attract but will give confidence in his competence. Over Brexit he showed he was capable of reconciling opposing views. Nandy may be the mist charismatic of the three, but Northern towns arn't where Labour will win - that will be in the Cities, University towns and commuterland.
  11. BigFish

    New Labour Leader

    This rather proves your point, KC. That and the fact that constitiencies the Tories won tended to have smaller than average electorates, while Labout constituencies are now tending to be larger than average.
  12. BigFish

    Rupp and Duda

    That is almost 100% wrong, the last thing teams need at this level is a CDM running around like a headless chicken. That job is to hold position & protect the back four, you are effectively criticising Tettey for doing his job, doing it well and doing it better than anyone else at the club in all the squads of that period for his entire career.
  13. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    It perfectly encapsulates everything @SwindonCanary knows on the subject
  14. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    @SwindonCanary's best post
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    The Brexit Thread

    Trade deals are not completely beneficial then Swindo? Any UK/Japan trade deal would impact negatively on Nissan UK then, or a UK/EU trade deal would impact BMW UK. Or an Indian/UK deal impact Jaguar Land Rover. The UK car industry is really up against it now, and leaving the EU single market and customs union is a fundamenatal risk bringing significant cost. At the same time leaving offers no benefit for the industry, as the headbanger's favourite economist Minford openly admits. The question is what is Johnson going to do to prevent it going down the tubes. Or do we let it go the same way as mining, ship building and steel like the Brexiteers seem to want.
  16. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    @SwindonCanary is fairly typical of Leavers now and in the future. Having prevailed in the referendum and the subsequent democratic processing of the decision they fail to recognise and deny any consequencies. Honda issued various statements saying Brexit was a factor, as did BMW when explaining why they had postponed the next generation Mini. In fact only a fool would suggest that senior figures in the motor industry were not taking this into account in their planning. Afterall, they have been explaining this for nearly four years. Motor manufacturing has been a great success in the UK as a member of the EU over the last 30 years. A significant turn around based on foreign manufacturers and single market membership. Unless the government provide significant state aid the industry have real problems and could well close completely. This will provide a certain Schaudenfraude when considering those idiots in Sunderland but is not good for the UK.
  17. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    Interesting times, Herman, interesting times. It looks like they are going to give the magic money tree a good shake and I for one would have no problem with increased investment in the countries rather shabby social fabric paid for by tax rises and increased borrowing. It makes a lie of the last 10 years of Tory economic mismanagement and everything failed banker @paul moy believes about economics. It will upset our resident dry as a bone economic liberal @Jools so that is a bonus. Though of course this is what Johnson says he is going to do............
  18. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    Not necessarily so, as I understand Sunak was slated for promotion when the Johnson plan was to scrap some departments and reshape government. This then changed to a less ambitious reshuffle and Sunak was being positioned as Johnson's enforcer in the Treasury e.g. to make Javid do what Johnson wanted. From that we can assume Johnson expected Javid to suck it up and swallow his principles. Looks like he found a backbone much to everyone's surprise.
  19. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    I suspect you are right
  20. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    And Jacob Rees Mogg
  21. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    Wasn't so many years ago that @paul moy was right behind the "Leadsom for Leader" (and PM for that matter) campaign.
  22. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    And Villiers, all woman, but as they are hard Brexiteers glad to see the back of them.
  23. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    Let's ping them to see what they have to say for themselves....... @Van wink @Bagster @Iwan´s Left Foot @Barbe bleu
  24. BigFish

    The Brexit Thread

    I have been wondering what you thought of Johnson to date @Jools and I thought you wouldn't be 100% supportive of how it has been going. The small state, low tax Tory Party seems in full retreat, replaced by a big spending activist one. The budget in March will be decisive, expecting tax rises in areas where they haven't commited against them.
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    The Brexit Thread

    @Rock The Boat @ron obvious @wooster@SwindonCanary@ricardo@paul moy@Jools just for a start
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