jaemae2 0 Posted May 18, 2014 Here''s a simple math question that I''m sure all you very very smart people can handle.Who is a better player?: Player A: Team concedes 50 goals in 30 games of soccer being on the fieldPlayer B: Team concedes 39 goals in 21 games of soccer when on the field...I''m sure it''s really difficult... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wimbledoncanary 8 Posted May 18, 2014 whats the difference of being on the field and when on the field? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaemae2 0 Posted May 18, 2014 [quote user="Wimbledoncanary"]whats the difference of being on the field and when on the field?[/quote]Wow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
judderman 0 Posted May 18, 2014 The maths questions is actually: did the team have a better defensive record when player A or player B was on the pitch?The answer being Player A, by a small distance.As for the other question (which is more about football than maths), I have no idea I''m afraid, those stats don''t even begin to suggest anything. Have you got any names? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HazzaJet 252 Posted May 18, 2014 When Player A is on the field: 1.6 goals conceded per gameWhen Player B is on the field: 1.8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chesney Hawkes 0 Posted May 18, 2014 I fear your question is too simplistic though having observed your previous posts I am not surprised by this.I''m not sure players are equally culpable for goals conceded.Is the player a goalkeeper or striker?And by "better" player, how many goals did the team score when player A and B were on the field? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaemae2 0 Posted May 18, 2014 [quote user="HazzaJet"]When Player A is on the field: 1.6 goals conceded per gameWhen Player B is on the field: 1.8[/quote]Ding ding ding....BTW: Player A: Bassong Player B: Turner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaemae2 0 Posted May 18, 2014 [quote user="The Tao of Chase"]I fear your question is too simplistic though having observed your previous posts I am not surprised by this.I''m not sure players are equally culpable for goals conceded.Is the player a goalkeeper or striker?And by "better" player, how many goals did the team score when player A and B were on the field?[/quote]They are CBs. Also the amount of games Bassong didn''t play with Turner alongside him is so small it''s not worth doing the comparision, but it''s less GPG than when Turner is on the field with him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,765 Posted May 18, 2014 I''d rather keep Turner than Bassong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
River End Canary 0 Posted May 18, 2014 I genuinely believe that a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phillip J Fry 0 Posted May 18, 2014 Wow, you can''t honestly be suggesting that Bassong is better that Turner based on such a simple comparison. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Molly Windley 76 Posted May 18, 2014 Your question is malformed.There is a punchline begging to be typed but I will desist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaemae2 0 Posted May 18, 2014 [quote user="Phillip J Fry"]Wow, you can''t honestly be suggesting that Bassong is better that Turner based on such a simple comparison. [/quote]No, I''m basing it on the fact the defense performs better when Turner isn''t on the field and Bassong is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phillip J Fry 0 Posted May 18, 2014 [quote user="jaemae2"][quote user="Phillip J Fry"]Wow, you can''t honestly be suggesting that Bassong is better that Turner based on such a simple comparison. [/quote]No, I''m basing it on the fact the defense performs better when Turner isn''t on the field and Bassong is.[/quote]You''re still missing out on several relevant factors that could also explain the difference in performance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaemae2 0 Posted May 18, 2014 You want more? OK.Bassong with someone that isn''t Turner next to him: 18 goals conceded in 12.Turner with someone that isn''t Bassong next to him: 10 goals conceded in 5 games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phillip J Fry 0 Posted May 18, 2014 [quote user="jaemae2"]You want more? OK.Bassong with someone that isn''t Turner next to him: 18 goals conceded in 12.Turner with someone that isn''t Bassong next to him: 10 goals conceded in 5 games.[/quote]You''re still missing several relevant factors beyond that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sussexyellow 55 Posted May 18, 2014 What coefficient are you using to factor in the quality of the oppositions attack? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaemae2 0 Posted May 18, 2014 Actually 23 conceded in 14 of Bassong without Turner... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaemae2 0 Posted May 18, 2014 No matter how many "relevant factors" the team is defensively better when Turner isn''t on the field and Bassong is, than when Turner is on the field and Bassong isn''t. It''s pretty simple. I can definitely recall the majority of the goals that were conceded when both are on the field most of them are the fault of Turner and not Bassong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaemae2 0 Posted May 18, 2014 If you want I''ll do even more. When the pairing is Bassong/Yobo the teams defense was incontrovertibly better. When it was BAssong and Bennett/Martin it was incontrovertibly better than when it was Turner and Martin/Bennett. There was no Turner/Yobo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,765 Posted May 18, 2014 What teams were we playing? What formation were we playing? Who else were in our team etc etc etc? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
breadman 0 Posted May 18, 2014 Too simplistic, even Football Manager isn''t that bad. How about tackles made, clearances, or even passion played with. Bassong would have a zero rating for the latter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Highland Canary 76 Posted May 18, 2014 I think a Yobo Turner combination would be most satisfactory in the second tier; unfortunately, we may only be left with Whittaker, Martin and Bennett in a few weeks time with Rudd behind - possibly adequate for our new status but hardly inspirational. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaemae2 0 Posted May 18, 2014 [quote user="breadman"]Too simplistic, even Football Manager isn''t that bad. How about tackles made, clearances, or even passion played with. Bassong would have a zero rating for the latter.[/quote]And still the team managed to play better when he was on the field than in any combination when he was off. And even better than that when Turner was off the field...You people can''t be this stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sussexyellow 55 Posted May 18, 2014 Still taking those positive thinking classes, Highland? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phillip J Fry 0 Posted May 18, 2014 [quote user="Herman "]What teams were we playing? What formation were we playing? Who else were in our team etc etc etc?[/quote]I feel this is beyond his comprehension... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaemae2 0 Posted May 18, 2014 [quote user="Phillip J Fry"][quote user="Herman "]What teams were we playing? What formation were we playing? Who else were in our team etc etc etc?[/quote]I feel this is beyond his comprehension...[/quote]You might not want to talk about intelligence. You aren''t too swift. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,765 Posted May 18, 2014 It''s another Wiz, Phillip. A younger, unimproved version. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites