Intersting read & poll

[lappinitup 629]

Sounds like another one man protest is looming....unless cusdp is joining him. [:|]

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[quote user="nutty nigel"]

Yes Baracouda. I don''t get why the posters on here continually put down the board. If it was rubbish they wouldn''t bother coming back. Either that or they have nothing whatsoever to do. And posters of all views are important otherwise it would become sterile and boring. But to post here you have to have a bit of a thick skin. Your opinion is going to be challenged. If you don''t like having your opinion challenged then it''s probably best to write a blog......

 

 

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That''s the thing nige. A lot of good posters don''t come back. It''s like an old boys club now.

Old shuck. Best poster by a mile on here, he''s gone. Fumble delia to name a couple.

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Actually nige, challenge the points that you don''t believe and I''ll happily discuss.

Yes it''s written with bias. 99% of post on here are. People''s opinions fill message boards.

Until we potentially go down or start next yr in the same way, some people will not change there views.

Up until this season I''ve always been positive. At present I''ve completely lost all faith in this regime.

[can u sit down please 0]

[quote user="lappinitup"]Sounds like another one man protest is looming....unless cusdp is joining him. [:|][/quote]

I thought you''d be on your sub forum? "He''ll never leave I tell ya. Never." [;)]

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[quote user="lappinitup"]Sounds like another one man protest is looming....unless cusdp is joining him. [:|][/quote]

I thought you''d be on your sub forum? "He''ll never leave I tell ya. Never." [;)]

[nutty nigel 7,534]

[quote user="can u sit down please"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

Yes Baracouda. I don''t get why the posters on here continually put down the board. If it was rubbish they wouldn''t bother coming back. Either that or they have nothing whatsoever to do. And posters of all views are important otherwise it would become sterile and boring. But to post here you have to have a bit of a thick skin. Your opinion is going to be challenged. If you don''t like having your opinion challenged then it''s probably best to write a blog......

 

 

[/quote] That''s the thing nige. A lot of good posters don''t come back. It''s like an old boys club now. Old shuck. Best poster by a mile on here, he''s gone. Fumble delia to name a couple.[/quote]

 

Well I''ll match you Shuck and Dumble With Purple and Zip and put forward Brownie and ICF. You see for every good poster who leaves a new one comes along. I would say this board is equally as good as anytime in the past. And in the days you''re talkin about you often had to wait hours to get a post moderated.

 

 

[nutty nigel 7,534]

I''m going to Diamond club buddy. My roast awaits. I''ll happily debate a thread which you start with your point of view. But not someone elses blog.

 

 

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[quote user="nutty nigel"]

I''m going to Diamond club buddy. My roast awaits. I''ll happily debate a thread which you start with your point of view. But not someone elses blog.

 

 

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I could just copy the blog to be fair and go with it. When I get time I will try and put it down.

I''ve never agreed with smudger before, only now.

Enjoy your roast old boy.

[Indy_Bones 441]

I''ve crossed swords with Smudger quite a lot over the years (and rarely agreed on anything), and whilst I also agree the article is pretty biased, I also agree with quite a lot of the points being made - but maybe not in the way they are being made (scary isn''t it?).Whether PL had stayed, Hughton came in or indeed another totally different manager had been appointed, every single one of them would have recognised the need to improve the squad and get adequate cover for the areas we were short (e.g. with Naughton returning to Spurs and Drury having gone to Leeds, we only had Tierney as a left back option hence why another player was needed and subsequently Garrido was brought in).To suggest that the side we had last season was a disaster waiting to happen with too little quality across the board, is doing a grave disservice to a large chunk of our squad and pretty wide of the mark IMHO.This season WAS going to be a challenge (again regardless of who was in charge), but instead of tweaking the existing setup to work more on defence whilst still keeping our strong attacking threat, Hughton made sweeping changes to how we play, went ultra-defensive and threw the baby out with the bathwater if you ask me.But I''ll not bang on any further about the article itself, I''ll simply say that I think there are a lot of very fair points hidden in there, that it''s certainly not cowardly to run a blog (I also run one but still post regularly here), and ask that the thread try to remain OT instead of getting into a slanging match between 1-2 posters...

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We have indeed lost a lot more than we have gained under Hughton Indy.

[can u sit down please 0]

[quote user="Indy_Bones"]To suggest that the side we had last season was a disaster waiting to happen with too little quality across the board, is doing a grave disservice to a large chunk of our squad and pretty wide of the mark IMHO.[/quote]Similar to the points that i made Indy, but they get swept under the carpet.[quote user="can u sit down please"][quote user="Grant Holts 3 year contract"]Ridiculously biased anti Hughton article.

Fails

to mention that we were always likely to struggle this year (Swansea is

an exception) and that the players are by and large not good enough for

the prem.[/quote]

All i keep reading is "we were

always likely to struggle this year". Why? based on what? I could say

with no foundation, that "we are always likely to struggle next year" as

its Hughtons 2nd season. Im worried more about next season than i was

thi sseason.We picked up 25 points after Xmas last year. Some

great away displays and solid victories. We did stutter at times and

with a young squad, could be put down to inexperience.[/quote]

[Mr Brownstone 0]

I find the whole "players aren''t good enough for this level" thing a curious argument.

When did you decide they weren''t good enough? Last year when they finished a comfortable 12th over 10 points clear of trouble? Or when they were in 7th in December after the squad was improved in the summer? Or was it sometime after?

I can''t for the life of me understand why some people have the opinion that the lads have reverted to Championship/League One standard. I still 100% believe in them and whilst most of them wouldn''t get a sniff at a top 6 club they''re more than good enough to compete at this level, with a few quality additions and the right tactics and management they can kick on next season.

I think Hughton''s constant talking up of the opposition has worked on some of you. Losing faith in the players is a far more damaging viewpoint than losing faith in the management.

[flying high up in the sky! 1]

I agree with the majority. Hughton has done the job asked of him this season ie keeping us in the prem. we will improve next season just give him a chance. He can''t help it that it doesn''t say paul lambert on his birth certificate.

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="can u sit down please"]Now i know this may not be popular but for those who havent read the article or voted in the poll, have a look here:http://smudgerncfc.com/I think he makes some great points and sums up some peoples feelings really well. For one thread, please put personal differences to the side and purely comment on the content of the article.Enjoy[/quote]Ludicrous.Absolutely ludicrous.Regurgitating football clichés does not provide any insight.  And as for the "don''t change a winning team" point - tell that to SAF, or Mancini, or Benitez, or Wenger, or AVB.... even Lambert regularly changed the starting XI following a victory.  It''s just a load of "wise after the event" cockbollocks that the author is notorious for.In terms of bias and objectivity, look at the poll options:

• Hughton out
• Hughton in - for 10 more games
• Unsure
• Other

Well, that''s fair and balanced.Tripe.

[A Gay Schoolboy 0]

[quote user="Mr Brownstone"]I find the whole "players aren''t good enough for this level" thing a curious argument.

When did you decide they weren''t good enough? Last year when they finished a comfortable 12th over 10 points clear of trouble? Or when they were in 7th in December after the squad was improved in the summer? Or was it sometime after?

I can''t for the life of me understand why some people have the opinion that the lads have reverted to Championship/League One standard. I still 100% believe in them and whilst most of them wouldn''t get a sniff at a top 6 club they''re more than good enough to compete at this level, with a few quality additions and the right tactics and management they can kick on next season.

I think Hughton''s constant talking up of the opposition has worked on some of you. Losing faith in the players is a far more damaging viewpoint than losing faith in the management.[/quote]Good post. Agreed on all counts.To add to it, I''d like to point out that it is curious that the same argument doesn''t seem to apply to managers and coaches as it does for players. We''ve got plenty of posters saying we should show zero sentimentality in getting rid of players who have proved themselves useful at this level for us, so we can ''move to the next level'', while simultaneously insisting that we must keep Hughton and his team to coach these next level players, despite them showing very little promise so far.Maybe it would be cheaper and more efficient to get a better coaching team to ''move to the next level''?

[Branston Pickle 3,657]

Quite true, Chops - I confess to not making it as far as the ''poll''. There were some reasonable points in there, but wrapped around a large smattering of garbage.

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37% want Hughton Out!

Not unsurprising !

[Branston Pickle 3,657]

37% of how many? Given the article, who it is by and who will have read as far as the poll, that is pretty low!

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Hard to say but 37% is probably enough to elect a UKIP government, gulp!

[paul moy 235]

[quote user="Vanwink"]Hard to say but 37% is probably enough to elect a UKIP government, gulp![/quote]

I''ll settle for a UKIP/Tory coalition  

[Mr Brownstone 0]

Thread derailment in 3, 2, 1...

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That sounds like old fashioned Tory to me

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Sorry Brownstone, substantial number wanting to see the back of Hughton

[paul moy 235]

I agree particulary with not changing a winning side, especially when wins are so hard to come by in the prem and I also agree strongly about the poor usage of Elliot Bennett. Winning breeds confidence and competition for places also breeds a winning mentality. Hughton appears to come from the socialist school mentality where everybody has to have ''prizes''.

 

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Well he certainly hung to the left!

[paul moy 235]

[quote user="Vanwink"]That sounds like old fashioned Tory to me[/quote]

Fashion goes in cycles and I''ve had enough of the unfettered legal/illegal immigration keeping our youngsters out of work and ''benefits for all'' fashion regardless of cost of the past 15 years.

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Can''t argue with that Paul

[Wings of a Sparrow 1,415]

Does Smudger still post on here do you know Vanwink?

[Herman 9,765]

The"paul moy"I agree particulary with not changing a winning side, especially when wins are so hard to come by in the prem and I also agree strongly about the poor usage of Elliot Bennett. Winning breeds confidence and competition for places also breeds a winning mentality. Hughton appears to come from the socialist school mentality where everybody has to have ''prizes''.

As has been mentioned, Deus Lambert (and many others) do exactly the same thing. Last season for example, Pilks would have a brilliant game and wouldn''t play next. It''s not a Hughton or a socialist thing. It''s a manager thing. But yes, it is frustrating.

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No idea wings, would it worry you if he did?