Message to all the fickle fans

[BedsCanary 0]

I wonder if all these people calling for Worthy''s head are the "new Premiership" fans who bought season tickets towards the end of last season...

The liklihood is that West Brom and Palace are going to be the other two sides relegated with us this season. West Brom have spent double what we''ve spent; Palace have probably the best new manager in the country and neither of them will stay up.

Fact is, the gap is just too big to bridge.

That''s right; it''s not our coaching staff. It''s not our poor organisational skills at the back. It''s not our inability to score goals... Norwich City Football Club simply doesn''t have the finances or abilities to maintain Premiership survival at the first time of asking.

The sooner you fickle "sack the coaching staff" or "drop xxx and play xxx instead" morons get that into you''re head the better.

You lot can whinge, whine and moan all you like but Worthington is going nowhere. He will still be here at the start of next season and the real fans will be right behind him.

And I can''t wait to see the threads and posts on this board next season when we''re thumping teams every week and looking forward to our second crack at the Premeirship with a better squad and better finances. I''m sure all you fair weather supporters will be singing a different tune.

 

Don''t like Worthy? Don''t like losing? Then go and support ManUre

[We need a Manager 0]

Message to all Worthington supporters , you probably have not been fans long enough to know just how bad this manager really is and will follow him blindfolded to mid table mediocrity next season .For the good of the club SACK HIM NOW.

[nottingham nick 0]

Totally agree Beds Canary, I would rather be Canary fan at the moment than support Forest.

Forest look like the new Sheff Wed.

I have visited Carrow Road on average 5-6 times a year for about 8 years, Worthington is the best Norwich manager I have seen during in that time, so if the worst happens and we are relegated sacking the manager is the worst option.

Every year I saw a different manager at Carrow Road bringing new tactics that never got any success.

We all new it would be hard this year but virtually ever match is played with much spirit and determination. I can fully understand why Worthy will still back and praise his players after losing, this is the toughest league in the World, it has been a joy to watch Norwich in it.

It is quite heartening to now see West Brom and Palace all with us in the relegation zone.

Don''t forget that a few years ago Sunderland were promoted as Div 1 Champions and got relegated with approx. 15 points.

Nick

[Robbo007 0]

I totally disagree with those supporters calling for Worthys head, and being a realist 20th position is where we realistically should have finished.

However, Most fans, alike myself have been disapointed to the second half of the season, where we have too easily been turned over in many games. We lack structure, and our defence has been a shambles. Earlier in the season it seemed a striker would solve all our problems, this unfortunately hasn''t turned out to be the case.

How come, when WBA play a team down to 10 men, they end up tearing them apart. When we do, we let the smallest man on the pitch grab a equaliser

[silver fox 0]

[quote]I wonder if all these people calling for Worthy''s head are the "new Premiership" fans who bought season tickets towards the end of last season... The liklihood is that West Brom and Palace are going...[/quote]

Firstly Beds Canary I have been a season ticket holder for 20 years and I am one of those so called MORONS you refer to.  I''m sorry but you do need to take a reality check if you think our dilemma hasn''t got anything to do with our coaching staff and the manager.

They consistently stick with under performing players, their substitutions border on the farcical, and they are unable to change our style of play when things start going wrong.  Even if they had top players at the club, they probably wouldn''t get a game.

Shackell has been a revelation since he came into the side and is putting players like Fleming and Edworthy to shame.  Why has it taken this long for our manager to put him in the first team?

Charlton and Safri have shown far more skill and commitment to the cause when they are given the chance, but our manager sticks with Fleming, Holt, and Stuart.

Jarvis, Henderson and Crow are all young, talented and are hungry to play, but an outing once in a blue moon is all you will see of them.  In my opinion you need to play these players who will at least show some pride and cause problems for their opponents.

If the Bolton game is anything to go by then you are kidding yourself if you think we will handing out thumpings next season.  I will still go and watch Norwich come what may next season, but if this management and coaching team start off with the likes of Fleming, Holt, Edworthy, Stuart and Jonson next season we will not be heading back to the Premiership.

 

[Rasputin was a C... 0]

You might have a point but after such a poor performance yesterday, I wouldn''t blame any City fan to question whether the manager is doing the best job possible. I''ve always supported the manager, although sometimes his decision do seem a little strange. I would question his post match interviews though. I can understand he doesn''t want to disturb the good atmoshere, whether that still exists or not, but I think he should be more critical in public as it might just give certain players the needed kick up the bum. I''m still very confident about our chances next season and I honestly can''t wait for this season to finish. I don''t think I''ve ever felt so low after so many matches in succession.

Take the rough with the smooth I suppose. Hopefully the rough is going to stop soon.

[DumbleDelia is Magic 0]

Beds- My nomination for post of the season.  Very well said indeed.  It does astound me how people can be so fickle.  I experienced the greatest high I ever have felt as a Norwich fan last season.  I''m not going to forget that quickly.  And I know why I felt that:  Nigel Worthington.  One man, one factor.  The man has been the greatest thing that has happened to this club in previous years (apart from Delia of course!).  He is the right man for the job and will keep his job, as the sensible one''s amongst see the work that he has done to this football club. 

People look at West Brom and Southampton and say "Oh look at them, they changed their manager and now look at them"  Bulls**t.  West Brom spent over £20M in the summer.  Players like Earnshaw, Gera, Greening etc are fantastic acquisitions.  If we had spent that much and only just got off the bottom, I''d be pretty p***ed off.  I guarantee West Brom fans won''t see Robson as their "saviour" when they go down with unbelievable debts because their gamble went tits up.  As for Southampton, how many people really think they would go down?  Right through their team they have quality. 

The fact is that, as Beds said, the gap between Premiership and 1st Division is the biggest gap in any sporting league in the entire world.  ONE season, ONE, is not going to bridge this gap for us.  It takes time and for gods sake it takes patience.  Rome wasn''t built in a day and Norwich City will not become an established Premiership club in a season.  To think so would be arragant.

I have lost count of how many times I have said this in recent weeks but this club needs STABILITY.  It''s something which has steadied our ship in recent years and got us to where we are now.  That stability has been in the board room and in the dug out and so long as this stability continues this club will reach bigger and better things.

Rant over!

[The Great Drinkell 51]

Well said Beds, if a few more fans could remember where we were when worthy took over and the days we were getting beaten at home to Swindon on a wet and cold mid week, then maybe they wouldn''t be so keen to demand his neck. These guys will be the ones who sit around me in the N & P and constantly moan. one guy even looked p***ed off when we equalised again the Boro'' coz he had nothing to moan about. It''s nice to see others are getting fed up with the we''re not winning so let''s critise everybody brigade.

[YankeeCanary 0]

Let me give you a message BedsCanary. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, including you. What you demonstrate in expressing your opinion, however, is a poor use of the little grey cells you were supplied with at birth. You are quick to call others morons while demonstrating your own skills in that area. You do not employ enough facts as a base for your point of view. Allow me to give you examples:

You say, "I wonder if all these people calling for Worthy''s head are the "new Premiership" fans who bought season tickets towards the end of last season...". Well, don''t wonder about such things. All the evidence is on the history of this message board. Many of these "morons" you refer to have been faithfully supporting this team for decades and, in some cases, up to a half century. If I can read it, so can you. Digest more so that you don''t have to wonder aloud foolishly.

You say, " it''s not our coaching staff. It''s not our poor organisational skills at the back". The fact is, please read that again, THE FACT IS, our team hangs back toward our own goal more than any other team in the Premiership that we have seen this season. They continue to do that even when the ball has been played into the opponents half. This results in the ball immediately coming back into our half with the opponents almost always in onside positions. This results in excessive and unnecessary pressure in almost every game played. Which explains why we have conceded as many soft goals as we have. These are not school kids or college players we are speaking of. They are professional footballers that, at the moment, are playing in the lofty heights of the English Premiership. Avoiding this kind of play is basic and something that coaches of teenage teams try to instill.

You say, "Fact is, the gap is just too big to bridge". That''s not a fact, that''s a matter of opinion. I''ve seen a lot of poor quality Premiership games this season and there have been games that clearly were there for the taking. In any event, most people are not complaining about whether we can bridge the gap. What people are struggling with is why Norwich City is playing decidedly poorer football than what Norwich City demonstrated it was capable of earlier this season. That gap is not between us and other teams. It''s the gap between what we were and what we are now. Our level of intensity has definitely dropped markedly in the second half of this season, and people are disappointed that we are not "giving it a go" to the best of our ability. That''s why we have conceded almost 40% more goals in the last 15 games than we did in the first 15. That''s what a fact is BedsCanary. Not your opinion of what a fact is.  Further, most people are complaining because almost all sensible observers of what''s taking place on the pitch realise that players like Fleming and Holt should not be starting games now.

Finally, I like being critical too but, at the very least, try to be intelligent and constructive in your criticism before engaging in the process of calling others morons.

 

[Marty 0]

premier1, why mid table obscurity? isn''t this the manager who got us promoted in impressive style last year? why would things be any different.  Maybe the premier league is a step too far for him though.

[Bird Table 0]

[quote]I wonder if all these people calling for Worthy''s head are the "new Premiership" fans who bought season tickets towards the end of last season... The liklihood is that West Brom and Palace are going...[/quote]

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[Jim Smith 2,654]

Beds I suspect the truth is actually the opposite of what you say and in reality those currently criticising the manager (and not the word criticising not calling for him to go) are those that have been following Norwich for long enough and know enough about the game to see that some of our team selections and tactics have been seriously flawed this season.

I don''t think many are seriously calling for Worthy to be sacked but I for one get annoyed by the attitude taken by many fans this season that Worthy is beyond criticism because we won the league last season which gave us our best season for years.

Yes that was fantastic and yes in genaral Worthy has done a good job. I can handle being relegated and I can handle losing when I feel we''ve given it a go. The problem this season is that we have not done ourselves justice and many of Worthy''s decisions have contributed to that. That is what is so frustrating for many of us.

I have been going to Carrow Road for 20 years and had a season ticket now for at least 15 of them. I will be there again next season whatever division we are in and whateever happens in the summenr but I reserve the right to express my opinion when I see such obvious problems not being addressed!

 

[BedsCanary 0]

Hey, don''t get me wrong - I agree that Worthy has made some shockingly bad tactical choices this season and his post-match analysis of the Bolton game was nothing short of disgusting.

My post was aimed at all those who keep starting new threads over and over again about how he should be sacked, when realistically sacking Worthy would be suicide.

No manager is instantly great. No manager instantly knows all the answers. No manager instantly has the right tactics or coaching skills. It''s about learning and working hard to improve. It took Worthy three seasons to get Norwich promoted to the Premiership - a mammoth task in itself but establishing Norwich as a Premiership team is even harder, so why do people expect that to happen in one season? People are asking too much of a football club our size in the most difficult football league in the world.

[We need a Manager 0]

Why mid table obscurity ? Look at how the team is performing , would you put money on them beating anybody from the Championship right now ? we played our first team against Bristol Rovers and scrapped a 1-0 win , lost at West Ham who are having their worst season for years. We got promoted because we signed Huckerby not because Worthington is a great young manager , he is not . Forest almost went up when they had Huckerby on loan , look at them now.Last season we were not as fantastic as a lot of people made out , even though we got results some of the performances were average at best and we got lucky quite a few times. Worthingtons mindset seems to be hang on to the 0-0 you start with and anything else is a bonus. If he stays Fleming will be playing centre back Holt will still be in midfield and Edworthy right back.  I do admit any Championship side with Huckerby and Ashton in it should be in contention for promotion , even with the ultra defensive Worthington at the helm . The Bolton match was a must win game , the team selection was abysmal  the tactics worse , and the performace worse still , in fact one of the most embarassing ever given the importance of the match .

[Canarychick 0]

We are all entitled to our opinions.  We all have our ideas.  Where I sit at Carrow Road, everyone round me has a different opinion and different favorite players.

The only thing I would say about Worthy is he doesn''t make substitutions enough.  On Saturday he should have thrown 3 on.  It couldn''t have made things worse, it maybe could have made things better.

[Jim Smith 2,654]

Whilst I agree that Worthy is a manager still learning his trade I think that the serious concern so far as I am concerned is how long it seems to take him to learn. Often the fans are aware of the problems with the side long before Worthy seems to be.

I keep jearing him go on about how we wre learning all the time and the premiership is a learning curve but frankly I dodn''t buy it. All I have learnt is that if you make mistakes you get punished and that you need to keep the ball at this level. That much was apparent after 2 or 3 games and to be honest is common sense. It doesn''t take you a whole season to learn that if you give the ball away and don''t mark players then they will score against you. Or to learn that certain players clearly aren''t up to the job! 

[rich 0]

sorry was going to respond but you know changed my again. you know how it is for us fickle people.

[Saint Canary 0]

I am of the opinion that Worthington is not above criticism, he won the League last year but that does not make him the messiah nor does it mean he is right all the time.  If I feel he makes bad selections in tactics and players then I will come on here and discuss it. 

Personally I do not want to see him sacked or leave but I do agree with the comments that he has failed to learn anything.  My biggest problem with Worthy is that he appears unable to make difficult decisions like dropping regularly inconsistent players like Fleming, Holt and Edworthy. 

I don''t know whether he is unable to make these tough choices or whether he just doesn''t want too but he wields the axe over other players for much less.  Would Worthy have tolerated the same low level of performances that Fleming has put in from someone like Charlton or the Doc.  The answer is simple because neither are in the team and both have performed better than Flem!  

As a final point, not everybody who wants to discuss Worthy''s player selection and tactics want him sacked and I do take exception that if you wish to question him you are a "Moron" or a "New" supporter.

[Saint Canary 0]

I must say Beds that while I am sure that you didn''t quite mean this post as it comes across, I hate all these "This is my opinion and everyone who has disagrees is not a real fan" posts.  Almost as bad as "Well if you don''t like the fact we have conceeded more goals than anyone else, go support Chelsea!"

[BedsCanary 0]

Like I said, it was aimed at the posters who keep starting Worthy-out threads after every match