The more I think about it...

[InLambertWeTrust! 0]

the more it is so obvious where Norwich City''s problems lie.The supporters.This isnt to say that the supporters have made the terrible decisions and that the supporters have wasted millions of pounds -7.5m for Dean Ashton anyone? The problem is we have too many middle class elderly supporters that are willing to support the board no matter what they do. Is it no surprise that the people on here and in the wider world that are most likely to support the board are women and elderly middle class types? At no other club would the mistake that our board have made been tolerated. Delia represents the people that adore the z-list celebrity and I suppose the middle class- nothing wrong with that. I just think its poisoned our club from the inside.  

We have posts and opinions that say ''oh we mustnt sign this player- hes not family friendly''. I hate that attitude.Look at our close ''friends'' down the road, they have gone totally against our philosophy and employed a manager that hasnt got the best of attitudes but has raised the profile of the club and players likely to attract. Marcus Evans has got the right idea, I fully expect them to do well, good luck to them. They are ruthless and want success. The money helps of course but a good mentality is vital.For too long now our club has been seen as a ''family club'' and has promoted ''football at affordable prices''. Maybe if the tickets had been slightly higher we''d be better off financially? The sort of people that are attracted through this scheme are likely to be Delia supporters, why wouldnt they? Delia is giving them football for cheaper prices, if Delia goes so does the affordable football. Pack up the picnic lads [Y]Delia has no reason to look for a buyer whilst she has a big army of supporters wanting her to stay. Her supporters stay, so does she.And no, im not Wizard in disguise I just entertain the same ideas as him.

[Evil Monkey 52]

I love CT.I love his innate ability to hit the big, red, self-destruct button...You''re trying to be all big and contra-vershal, yes we get it, well done.Dare you to start a thread that actually has something meaningful to say.... dare you.

[Captain Holt 580]

There''s Only One First Wiz...FIRST WIZ!

;) ;)

[InLambertWeTrust! 0]

[quote user="Evil Monkey"]I love CT.I love his innate ability to hit the big, red, self-destruct button...You''re trying to be all big and contra-vershal, yes we get it, well done.Dare you to start a thread that actually has something meaningful to say.... dare you.[/quote]I love EM.I love his innate ability to patronise anyone he sees fit.You''re trying to be in with the crowd that I dont and put me down on purpose, yes we get it, well done.Dare you start a thread that actually doesnt patronise anyone ....dare you.

[Joanna Grey 0]

CT in "Spouts Juvenile Crap" shocker.

[When Saturday Comes 0]

Shut up mate, you''re so dull.

[Captain Holt 580]

Lads FFS!

It''s his opinion! It seems as though whatever he says in any post everyone jumps down his throat, regardless of a successful point begin made or not. I bet some of you comment before you even read what he says.

[ACE 0]

Are you wizardAre you wizardAre you wizard in disguise?Are you wizard in disguise?!

[Evil Monkey 52]

[quote user="CT "]Dare you start a thread that actually doesnt patronise anyone ....dare you.[/quote]Aw, bless........

[Beauseant 0]

[quote user="CT "][quote user="Evil Monkey"]I love CT.

I love his innate ability to hit the big, red, self-destruct button...

You''re trying to be all big and contra-vershal, yes we get it, well done.

Dare you to start a thread that actually has something meaningful to say.... dare you.
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I love EM.

I love his innate ability to patronise anyone he sees fit.

You''re trying to be in with the crowd that I dont and put me down on purpose, yes we get it, well done.

Dare you start a thread that actually doesnt patronise anyone ....dare you.
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[InLambertWeTrust! 0]

[quote user="Spineless Fooks"]Lads FFS!

It''s his opinion! It seems as though whatever he says in any post everyone jumps down his throat, regardless of a successful point begin made or not. I bet some of you comment before you even read what he says.[/quote]Thanks mate.I bet if people had actually read they may have agreed with some points. I dont care what they think tbh its my opinion.I know for a fact that there are some people on here that are anti board, i bet the the people that disagree are the very same ones that will back them to the hilt...

[Joanna Grey 0]

[quote user="Spineless Fooks"]Lads FFS! It''s his opinion! It seems as though whatever he says in any post everyone jumps down his throat, regardless of a successful point begin made or not. I bet some of you comment before you even read what he says.[/quote]

Yep.

[LQ 0]

I''d told myself I was never going to bother replying to a CT thread but this one has got my goat.How bloody dare you!How old are you? 16? 17?I''ve been following this team through thick and thin since before you were born. How dare you suggest that "women" and "middle class types" have poisoned this club. Are you saying that neither women nor middle-class types should be allowed to support NCFC? That''s how it reads to me. And since when does anyone say we can''t sign so-and-so because he''s not ''family friendly''? I''ve never heard that (other than in relation to convicted criminals).Next up - who is actually a board supporter? I support the Club and I''ve never seen nor heard anyone say they would stop supporting if Delia & co left. That would be a board supporter.And your last point is just too ridiculous to be true. What do you pay for your season ticket? Would you still go if you had to pay full whack? Oh, and did you claim your rebate to get a bit of extra cash for yourself? If you''re saying that the ticket prices are too low (which I think they are for many) and that''s attracting the wrong sort who do you really think putting prices up will affect? Not me because I don''t get a concession - it''ll be you sunshine (or your mum and dad) who foots the bill.Christ I''m angry!

[InLambertWeTrust! 0]

[quote user="LQ"]I''d told myself I was never going to bother replying to a CT thread but this one has got my goat.How bloody dare you!How old are you? 16? 17?I''ve been following this team through thick and thin since before you were born. How dare you suggest that "women" and "middle class types" have poisoned this club. Are you saying that neither women nor middle-class types should be allowed to support NCFC? That''s how it reads to me. And since when does anyone say we can''t sign so-and-so because he''s not ''family friendly''? I''ve never heard that (other than in relation to convicted criminals).Next up - who is actually a board supporter? I support the Club and I''ve never seen nor heard anyone say they would stop supporting if Delia & co left. That would be a board supporter.And your last point is just too ridiculous to be true. What do you pay for your season ticket? Would you still go if you had to pay full whack? Oh, and did you claim your rebate to get a bit of extra cash for yourself? If you''re saying that the ticket prices are too low (which I think they are for many) and that''s attracting the wrong sort who do you really think putting prices up will affect? Not me because I don''t get a concession - it''ll be you sunshine (or your mum and dad) who foots the bill.Christ I''m angry!

[/quote]Find me the quote where I have actually said that? I havent. I suppose you have told yourself you wouldnt post to my threads because I wont support this board?

[Evil Monkey 52]

[quote user="LQ"]Are you saying that neither women nor middle-class types should be allowed to support NCFC? That''s how it reads to me.[/quote]No, LQ, what he''s saying is...LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME!!LOOK AT ME!!!!WAAH, WAAH, LOOK AT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!Followed by another two or three pages of replying to every response to ensure that his thread keeps going for a while........................

[LQ 0]

No CT, I told mself that I wouldn''t respond to your posts because of your totally ignorant and often insulting replies to mine.Evil, yes, you''re right. I shouldn''t have given it the time of day!

[Joanna Grey 0]

[quote user="Evil Monkey"][quote user="LQ"]Are you saying that neither women nor middle-class types should be allowed to support NCFC? That''s how it reads to me.[/quote]
No, LQ, what he''s saying is...

LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME!!

LOOK AT ME!!!!

WAAH, WAAH, LOOK AT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Followed by another two or three pages of replying to every response to ensure that his thread keeps going for a while........................

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He really is wiz''s apprentice despite what he says.

[PurpleCanary 6,391]

[quote user="CT "]The problem is we have too many middle class elderly supporters that are willing to support the board no matter what they do. Is it no surprise that the people on here and in the wider world that are most likely to support the board are women and elderly middle class types? For too long now our club has been seen as a ''family club'' and has promoted ''football at affordable prices''. Maybe if the tickets had been slightly higher we''d be better off financially? The sort of people that are attracted through this scheme are likely to be Delia supporters, why wouldnt they? Delia is giving them football for cheaper prices, if Delia goes so does the affordable football. Pack up the picnic lads [Y][/quote]My but that''s cunning of the witch! Take over a club with attendances around 16,000 and attract an extra 8,000/9,000 people in. but makes certain the newbies wouldn''t look out of place at a Conservative party beanfeast. Anyway, must dash. Need to get out the Volvo and pick up Torquil and Rosamunde from ballet class...

[Shyster 0]

LQ - [quote]Are you saying that neither women nor middle-class types should be allowed to support NCFC?[/quote]

They should only be allowed in the Main Stand, like the good ol'' days. Use to love it when the Barclay, South Stand & River End was pretty much all male and much more vocal.Of course in those days one could fart, drink, smoke and swear without having to worry about offending the blue rinses and PC indoctrinated parents with their pampered & witless minors.

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[quote user="Shyster"]LQ - [quote]Are you saying that neither women nor middle-class types should be allowed to support NCFC?[/quote]

They should only be allowed in the Main Stand, like the good ol'' days. Use to love it when the Barclay, South Stand & River End was pretty much all male and much more vocal.Of course in those days one could fart, drink, smoke and swear without having to worry about offending the blue rinses and PC indoctrinated parents with their pampered & witless minors.[/quote]Shyster, you missed out the lovely old blokes who used to urinate at the back of the stands.  Oh, and getting pushed about in the crowd in the busier matches.  Not to mention the threats of violence and for a while, endemic coin throwing in the Barclay.   Aaaaah, the good old days, eh.. [+o(]

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[quote user="Shyster"]LQ - [quote]Are you saying that neither women nor middle-class types should be allowed to support NCFC?[/quote]


They should only be allowed in the Main Stand, like the good ol'' days.

Use to love it when the Barclay, South Stand & River End was pretty much all male and much more vocal.

Of course in those days one could fart, drink, smoke and swear without having to worry about offending the blue rinses and PC indoctrinated parents with their pampered & witless minors.
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Go to Burnley... Preston....Sheffield....Doncaster etc etc and you can still do all of those things.....

Sadly NCFC has become a man in a dress.... and we all know who we have to thank for that.

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[quote user="Shyster"]LQ - [quote]Are you saying that neither women nor middle-class types should be allowed to support NCFC?[/quote]

They should only be allowed in the Main Stand, like the good ol'' days. Use to love it when the Barclay, South Stand & River End was pretty much all male and much more vocal.Of course in those days one could fart, drink, smoke and swear without having to worry about offending the blue rinses and PC indoctrinated parents with their pampered & witless minors.[/quote]

Go to Burnley... Preston....Sheffield....Doncaster etc etc and you can still do all of those things.....

Sadly NCFC has become a man in a dress.... and we all know who we have to thank for that.

[/quote]What first hand experience do you base this on, Cluck ?

[Shyster 0]

[quote user="blahblahblah"][quote user="Shyster"]LQ - [quote]Are you saying that neither women nor middle-class types should be allowed to support NCFC?[/quote]

They should only be allowed in the Main Stand, like the good ol'' days. Use to love it when the Barclay, South Stand & River End was pretty much all male and much more vocal.Of course in those days one could fart, drink, smoke and swear without having to worry about offending the blue rinses and PC indoctrinated parents with their pampered & witless minors.[/quote]Shyster, you missed out the lovely old blokes who used to urinate at the back of the stands.  Oh, and getting pushed about in the crowd in the busier matches.  Not to mention the threats of violence and for a while, endemic coin throwing in the Barclay.   Aaaaah, the good old days, eh.. [+o(][/quote]

Well, you''re talking to one of the original Barclay Boot Boys, so yeah - wonderful days indeed.

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[quote user="blahblahblah"][quote user="Cluck is God"]

[quote user="Shyster"]LQ - [quote]Are you saying that neither women nor middle-class types should be allowed to support NCFC?[/quote]


They should only be allowed in the Main Stand, like the good ol'' days.

Use to love it when the Barclay, South Stand & River End was pretty much all male and much more vocal.

Of course in those days one could fart, drink, smoke and swear without having to worry about offending the blue rinses and PC indoctrinated parents with their pampered & witless minors.
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Go to Burnley... Preston....Sheffield....Doncaster etc etc and you can still do all of those things.....

Sadly NCFC has become a man in a dress.... and we all know who we have to thank for that.

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What first hand experience do you base this on, Cluck ?
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A rather lame attempt to discredit opinion Blubs by trying the old "moral high ground standpoint" as usual.  Happily I don''t do the "my knobs bigger than yours" nonsense. I''m happy with mine and yours doesn''t hold any fascination for me I''m afraid. 

Given any thought to the Mother Fixation admission?

[pennywise 0]

great post mate [:D]

[Joanna Grey 0]

[quote user="Cluck is God"]

[quote user="Shyster"]LQ - [quote]Are you saying that neither women nor middle-class types should be allowed to support NCFC?[/quote]


They should only be allowed in the Main Stand, like the good ol'' days.

Use to love it when the Barclay, South Stand & River End was pretty much all male and much more vocal.

Of course in those days one could fart, drink, smoke and swear without having to worry about offending the blue rinses and PC indoctrinated parents with their pampered & witless minors.
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Go to Burnley... Preston....Sheffield....Doncaster etc etc and you can still do all of those things.....

Sadly NCFC has become a man in a dress.... and we all know who we have to thank for that.

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How do you know? Or are you just jumping to the "all northerners are neanderthals" conclusion?

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[quote user="Cluck is God"]

[quote user="Shyster"]LQ - [quote]Are you saying that neither women nor middle-class types should be allowed to support NCFC?[/quote]

They should only be allowed in the Main Stand, like the good ol'' days. Use to love it when the Barclay, South Stand & River End was pretty much all male and much more vocal.Of course in those days one could fart, drink, smoke and swear without having to worry about offending the blue rinses and PC indoctrinated parents with their pampered & witless minors.[/quote]

Go to Burnley... Preston....Sheffield....Doncaster etc etc and you can still do all of those things.....

Sadly NCFC has become a man in a dress.... and we all know who we have to thank for that.

[/quote]My guess is you can only fart and swear in those places now.  Drinking and possibly smoking would have been banned at all football grounds, wouldn''t it ?

[PurpleCanary 6,391]

[quote user="Cluck is God"]

Sadly NCFC has become a man in a dress.... and we all know who we have to thank for that.

[/quote]Er, Danny La Rue?

[The Walking Man 13]

[quote user="CT "]the more it is so obvious where Norwich City''s problems lie.

The supporters.

This isnt to say that the supporters have made the terrible decisions and that the supporters have wasted millions of pounds -7.5m for Dean Ashton anyone? The problem is we have too many middle class elderly supporters that are willing to support the board no matter what they do. Is it no surprise that the people on here and in the wider world that are most likely to support the board are women and elderly middle class types?

At no other club would the mistake that our board have made been tolerated. Delia represents the people that adore the z-list celebrity and I suppose the middle class- nothing wrong with that. I just think its poisoned our club from the inside.  


We have posts and opinions that say ''oh we mustnt sign this player- hes not family friendly''. I hate that attitude.
Look at our close ''friends'' down the road, they have gone totally against our philosophy and employed a manager that hasnt got the best of attitudes but has raised the profile of the club and players likely to attract. Marcus Evans has got the right idea, I fully expect them to do well, good luck to them. They are ruthless and want success. The money helps of course but a good mentality is vital.

For too long now our club has been seen as a ''family club'' and has promoted ''football at affordable prices''. Maybe if the tickets had been slightly higher we''d be better off financially? The sort of people that are attracted through this scheme are likely to be Delia supporters, why wouldnt they? Delia is giving them football for cheaper prices, if Delia goes so does the affordable football. Pack up the picnic lads [Y]

Delia has no reason to look for a buyer whilst she has a big army of supporters wanting her to stay. Her supporters stay, so does she.

And no, im not Wizard in disguise I just entertain the same ideas as him.

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1. Please enlighten us all as to what ''class'' has to do with it and how you define class. One thing worth bearing in mind 57% of people describe themselves as working class yet only 31% hold traditional blue collar jobs. Similarly what has age got to do with anything? As far as i''m aware Wiz is older than many people on here and he doesn''t exactly settle for what we''ve got does he? Also around where I have my season ticket the old boys shout and complain as though it''s still the 1950''s! This is also often the case when I travel to away games and talk with some of them.

2. See above

3. Reference? And just because he''s not a Ben Thatcher type thug does not make him a bad player. Would you rather us sign Lee Hughes?

4. Buy a footlball club, make a quick buck, sell it (and possibly the assets as well...)

5. That is what marketing people are employed for, they work out the maths as to whether it''s better selling many tickets cheaper or less tickets at more expensive prices. There are many factors that affect this, e.g. refreshemnts sold at half time obiviously increase the more people there are, club shop takings increase throughout the year. When I went to Blackpool I was talking to a Blackpool fan and he said many Blackpool fans were fed up and stopped going to home games because it cost them £30 each game! (It cost £28 for a ticket in a temporary uncovered stand, dreadful experience). This fan reckoned that they may only get 7k for a home game but tehy comfortably take 4-5k for an away game at Preston.

And finally,

6. Basically what you''re implying is that people watch Norwich because Delia, Queen of the Z listers is in charge? Deluded if you ask me. Delia has said time and again that she is willingly seeking new investment for the football club, I can''t tell you what she wants to do in private but then neithier can you.

 

 

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[quote user="CT "]

The problem is we have too many middle class elderly supporters that are willing to support the board no matter what they do. Is it no surprise that the people on here and in the wider world that are most likely to support the board are women and elderly middle class types?

At no other club would the mistake that our board have made been tolerated. Delia represents the people that adore the z-list celebrity and I suppose the middle class- nothing wrong with that. I just think its poisoned our club from the inside.  

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CT

I''ll make an attempt to play the ball rather than the man here and ask you a few questions regarding what I have quoted above. Do attempt to answer them honestly.

1. Do you think all middle class and/or elderly fans support the board?

2. What is ''middle class''?

3. Do you consider yourself ''middle class''? How many lads of your age could afford a football season ticket and a commute from Cambridge for each home game?

4. Canary Cherub, gazzathegreat and City Angel are all female yet none are board supporters. Why do you think this is? I have no idea what class they would describe themselves as.

5. "Delia represents the people that adore the z-list celebrity". What does this mean?

6. In what way do you think the demographic of the average British football crowd has changed over the past twenty or so years? Do you think the crowds at Norwich mirror that new demographic or are we somehow different?

Cheers. Shack.