Loans signings can only ever be short term fixers!

[First Wizard 0]

Regardless of whether or not a player is good or bad, loan signings can only ever be a temporary fix at best!

Take young Evans for example. He was brought on and improved by us, but it seems someone else will reap the benefits! Hucks only worked out because we went out and signed him permantly.

And of course, at the end of every season, the squad is disrupted and has to be rebuilt all over again, and in our case that could mean anything between 5 to 6 players!.

Oh no doubt, some bright spark will single out Reading as an example to support the loanee scheme, however, they conviently leave out the relevent fact they already had a strong squad to start with, whereas we don''t!.

I also believe that the only people who make anything out of these loan deals are the parent club ie, they get their player put in the shop window for free, the player himself and his agent.........we seem to get little in return

Or have I read this all wrong?

[spudgfsh 0]

Take stoke last season... they had an average squad and a manager that made all of the wrong decisions (according to the fans) but managed to get them second in the league with mainly loan players...

[First Jedi 0]

" but it seems someone else will reap the benefits!"Surely not being relegated is a benefit?Loans are a fact of modern footballing life. Get over it Grandad (by the way - we''ve gone decimal) [;)]

[InLambertWeTrust! 0]

Agree with Wiz. We have a v. poor squad and a few loans wont help .

[Iwan is God 0]

[quote user="1st Wizard"]

Regardless of whether or not a player is good or bad, loan signings can only ever be a temporary fix at best!

Take young Evans for example. He was brought on and improved by us, but it seems someone else will reap the benefits! Hucks only worked out because we went out and signed him permantly.

And of course, at the end of every season, the squad is disrupted and has to be rebuilt all over again, and in our case that could mean anything between 5 to 6 players!.

Oh no doubt, some bright spark will single out Reading as an example to support the loanee scheme, however, they conviently leave out the relevent fact they already had a strong squad to start with, whereas we don''t!.

I also believe that the only people who make anything out of these loan deals are the parent club ie, they get their player put in the shop window for free, the player himself and his agent.........we seem to get little in return

Or have I read this all wrong?

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Even though you are wrong about Eastwood ''sun beam'' & I notice you didn''t reply after Indy Bones pointed out he only scored 11 in the Championship for Southend... You are right here! We need permanent signings to give us a little stability & if we improve a player who is destined for greater things it would be nice if we made the money & not someone else.

However, beggars can''t be choosers!!!

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="ob1"]"  Get over it Grandad (by the way - we''ve gone decimal) [;)]
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Was that called for?

[Stevee Wonder 0]

Loans are a good way to bulk up your squad and get cover for positions. At the moment we only have Bertrand. And are linked with Kadar and Omazusi.

Last year loans were needed to save the squad, but thts year I think it''ll be more of a "bulk up" of the squad.

And the think is, it''s a small outlay and helps competetion etc. Agreed, it would be good to have a team without loans, but we need so many players this year we need a few.

[tribes 0]

[quote user="1st Wizard"]

[quote user="ob1"]"  Get over it Grandad (by the way - we''ve gone decimal) [;)]
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Was that called for?

[/quote]Just one of the nasty lot, Mr Wizard.

[Robert N. LiM 6,442]

I think you''re half-right. I think the long-term loan system should be abolished. It transparently favours the big clubs in the way that you have described. I still can''t believe that we have to pay Chelsea for the privilege of giving Ryan Bertrand first-team games. If the system didn''t exist, Bertrand might not have joined Chelsea from Gillingham, since he would have known that there was no way he''d be getting past Cole and Bridge. Instead, he might have joined a Championship club, hoping to make it to the Prem in a few years'' time.However, if the system exists, then we have to make the most of it. And Evans, Bertrand and Taylor and to a lesser extent Pearce and Camara helped keep us up. One of Roeder''s chief assets as our manager is that he can get top players in on loan - I''d be delighted if Evans returned later this season, for instance.

[Duffman 0]

Ok, lets take Ched Evans as an example here.He''s too good for us, to have permanently, and Man City knew this all along.   He will be a class player in the next few years.  Persoanlly, I would rather have Ched Evans on loan then not have him at all.   Where would we have been without him last season?  The trouble with people like you Wiz is you''re never satisfied and you''ll always find something to moan about.   If we had signed Ched Evans permanently last season and spent 500k or a Million pounds on him then you would be one of the first people to question why we are spending so much money on an unknown 18 year old and you''d want it spent on someone who is less of a gamble and more well known.Loan are a short term fix, but because they are loans it enables clubs like us to attract a better quality of player who could potentially gain us promotion.

[Lurd 0]

"loans can only ever be short term fixers"

 

Well done Wizardman for stating the absolute obvious!

[Canary_on_the Trent 0]

I understand what you''re saying but take Bertrand and Evans for example, we would stand absolutely no chance of signing players with that much talent and ability, as somebody said above its better to have and lost than to not ever had them

[The Walking Man 13]

You''re right that loans can only be short term fixes, but when Roeder took over in October, I think most fans weren''t looking for long term solutions to get them out of the mess. They were looking for any means possible to avoid relegation, and no-one can say that the lons we has last season didn''t help us survive...

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="Larry David"]

"loans can only ever be short term fixers"

 

Well done Wizardman for stating the absolute obvious!

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Okay, so would ''Loans can only be expensive, short term fixers'' suit you better Larryman?[:|]

[Inch High aka Inchy.. 420]

[quote user="1st Wizard"]

[quote user="ob1"]"  Get over it Grandad (by the way - we''ve gone decimal) [;)]
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Was that called for?

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Whilst I don''t condone what ob1 said and think it was a bit stupid I do feel you bring it on yourself.

Yesterday you said, and I quote "I''ve ignored arseholes like you for the last 5 years now.............". Are you the only one allowed to partake in name calling then?

 

As for loans I agree with you a certain part of the way, the loan system whether we like it or not is now part of football. Yes we had too many here last season and like you I''m hoping we bulk up the squad this coming season with permanent deals and then use a few loans to fill gaps left by injuries etc. We''ll find out soon enough which way we are going because as of yet we have only taken one on.

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="IncH HigH"][quote user="1st Wizard"]

[quote user="ob1"]"  Get over it Grandad (by the way - we''ve gone decimal) [;)]
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Was that called for?

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Whilst I don''t condone what ob1 said and think it was a bit stupid I do feel you bring it on yourself.

Yesterday you said, and I quote "I''ve ignored arseholes like you for the last 5 years now.............". Are you the only one allowed to partake in name calling then?

 

As for loans I agree with you a certain part of the way, the loan system whether we like it or not is now part of football. Yes we had too many here last season and like you I''m hoping we bulk up the squad this coming season with permanent deals and then use a few loans to fill gaps left by injuries etc. We''ll find out soon enough which way we are going because as of yet we have only taken one on.

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If someone has a pop at me, then most of the time I''ll hit back at them.........if they don''t, and reply sensibly, then I''m a pussycat inch high!

I''m open minded to a couple of loan deals, but like you said, they must be backed up with good permanent deals like Hoolihan.

[we8wba 0]

i agree with wiz to be fair, when all these loanees head back like last season norwich city will be in the same situation as they are this summer

someone mentioned stoke, well fair enough but majority of their signings in early months of season were view to sign them on perm deals i.e shawcross, cort, griffin

[Match Day Pie 0]

[quote user="1st Wizard"]

Regardless of whether or not a player is good or bad, loan signings can only ever be a temporary fix at best!

Take young Evans for example. He was brought on and improved by us, but it seems someone else will reap the benefits! Hucks only worked out because we went out and signed him permantly.

And of course, at the end of every season, the squad is disrupted and has to be rebuilt all over again, and in our case that could mean anything between 5 to 6 players!.

Oh no doubt, some bright spark will single out Reading as an example to support the loanee scheme, however, they conviently leave out the relevent fact they already had a strong squad to start with, whereas we don''t!.

I also believe that the only people who make anything out of these loan deals are the parent club ie, they get their player put in the shop window for free, the player himself and his agent.........we seem to get little in return

Or have I read this all wrong?

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It''s refreshing to see you write something sensible for once.

It seems loans are a part of the modern world we need to get used to. Without them, there would be a lot more clubs in trouble. The transfer window has destroyed any chance of Championship clubs competing properly and Sky''s money has put a lot of players from the Premier League out of our reach as they seem happy to earn £35k a week for playing the odd cup game.

Used in the right way, it can be beneficial.

[we8wba 0]

if its just one or two loanees then thats fine

its just if you do what you did in january is when you have to question your loans