Fen Canary 1,456 Posted August 29 Apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but I was completely unaware they’re now seeding the clubs playing in Europe to keep them apart. Not only do they get a bye to the third round, they’re now given an easier game to reach the fourth by being unable to be drawn against each other. Every year I’m starting to hate football that little bit more, and the utter selfishness of the big clubs is largely the reason for it. Every rule change in the last 30 years has been to their benefit at the expense of everybody else. They scrapped the halving of gate receipts, got extra time scrapped in the league cup, have got replays scrapped in the FA cup, we now have hundreds of subs in a game which benefits those with larger squads, European competitions are forever expanding. They couldn’t even let the lower league clubs have the league trophy to themselves, they had to flood it with their under 21 teams. Utter greed! https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cd9de5kq7vlo 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walcombe canary 81 Posted August 29 And so many of these clubs got Home Ties Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Satriales 993 Posted August 29 3 minutes ago, Walcombe canary said: And so many of these clubs got Home Ties AFC Wimbledon v Newcastle is a cracking tie though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 7,797 Posted August 29 So you're saying the big clubs get an easy ride and the rules changed to suit them? Nooooo wayy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yobocop 1,442 Posted August 29 It also suits the smaller clubs by guaranteeing them a big pay pay Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GodlyOtsemobor 2,830 Posted August 29 (edited) There should be a third cup just for the EFL, no PL team involvement. Edited August 29 by GodlyOtsemobor I know there's the paint trophy, but that's just for L1 + L2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 4,614 Posted August 29 The EFL had little choice. The Champions League starts on the midweek of week commencing September 16, whereas the Europa League starts the week after. As a result, if a Champions League team drew a Europa League team, there would not have been a spare midweek slot to play the game. This was announced back in May and it was said at the time that they would only seed it to prevent a Champions League team facing a Europa League one, so two Champions League sides or two from the Europa League could, in theory, play each other. The BBC article in the OP suggests that teams playing in those two competitions were kept completely apart however, so maybe the plan was tweaked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Up and Away 96 Posted August 29 1 hour ago, Fen Canary said: Apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but I was completely unaware they’re now seeding the clubs playing in Europe to keep them apart. Not only do they get a bye to the third round, they’re now given an easier game to reach the fourth by being unable to be drawn against each other. Every year I’m starting to hate football that little bit more, and the utter selfishness of the big clubs is largely the reason for it. Every rule change in the last 30 years has been to their benefit at the expense of everybody else. They scrapped the halving of gate receipts, got extra time scrapped in the league cup, have got replays scrapped in the FA cup, we now have hundreds of subs in a game which benefits those with larger squads, European competitions are forever expanding. They couldn’t even let the lower league clubs have the league trophy to themselves, they had to flood it with their under 21 teams. Utter greed! https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cd9de5kq7vlo I can see the logic of keeping them apart. The teams in Europe have a CL/EL/EC fixture in either the second or third week of Sept, so keeping them apart avoids the scenario where they can not schedule the LC fixture in either week e.g. one has a Euro tie in second week, the other in the third. While it does give them an easier draw, it is also a competition that none of them want to be in.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bovril 264 Posted August 29 Just scrap the league cup, nobody wants it. Then make the FA Cup introduce all league teams, including Premier League teams, from Round 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Commonsense 802 Posted August 29 1 hour ago, GodlyOtsemobor said: There should be a third cup just for the EFL, no PL team involvement. That would really pull in the crowds! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Commonsense 802 Posted August 29 2 hours ago, Walcombe canary said: And so many of these clubs got Home Ties 4 out of 6, so not an even balance but not that unlikely in a random draw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonnyJonnyRowe 971 Posted August 29 3 hours ago, Bovril said: Then make the FA Cup introduce all league teams, including Premier League teams, from Round 1. I actually quite like this idea. Saves the big 6 from playing the U21s in the early League Cup rounds. They can try that in the FA Cup but we'll get some surprise knock outs and early exits. All the big clubs being in round 1 increases the chances of the minnows getting a big draw, so spreads a bit of money around the place to support the lower leagues. Roll the prize money up to make the FA Cup more lucrative as well, more money per round progressed. Unfortunately the Premier League more likely to replace the League Cup with a 'Premier Cup' with 20 teams in it, knowing them, and then try and play the game in Saudi Arabia in front of 500 people and a goat. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wr4sb 66 Posted August 29 Talking of draws, I wonder how fixed the new Champions League fixtures will be to the 'bigger clubs', with opposition teams supposedly being picked by computer behind the scenes... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 4,614 Posted August 29 32 minutes ago, JonnyJonnyRowe said: I actually quite like this idea. Saves the big 6 from playing the U21s in the early League Cup rounds. They can try that in the FA Cup but we'll get some surprise knock outs and early exits. All the big clubs being in round 1 increases the chances of the minnows getting a big draw, so spreads a bit of money around the place to support the lower leagues. Roll the prize money up to make the FA Cup more lucrative as well, more money per round progressed. Unfortunately the Premier League more likely to replace the League Cup with a 'Premier Cup' with 20 teams in it, knowing them, and then try and play the game in Saudi Arabia in front of 500 people and a goat. I like it too. The League Cup is probably past its sell by date. Even Championship clubs aren't really arsed nowadays, never mind the Premier League ones. Scrap the League Cup, and as a compromise to the League One/Two sides who might be disappointed to see their chances of playing a big team in a cup reduced, you can merge the EFL Cup with the EFL Trophy so that it's for Championship, League One and League Two sides. The smaller sides might get a game against a big Championship club and the Championship sides have the carrot of a Wembley final dangled. 6 minutes ago, wr4sb said: Talking of draws, I wonder how fixed the new Champions League fixtures will be to the 'bigger clubs', with opposition teams supposedly being picked by computer behind the scenes... With the new format, a live draw isn't feasible. And given that each team will play eight games, against two from each of the four pots, it will likely be fairer than the old format which always seemed to give Manchester City four of their six matches against two minnows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 5,246 Posted August 29 Carabao Cup third-round ties Liverpool v West Ham Manchester City v Watford Arsenal v Bolton Manchester United v Barnsley Wycombe v Aston Villa Coventry v Tottenham Walsall v Leicester Brentford v Leyton Orient Blackpool v Sheffield Wednesday Preston v Fulham Everton v Southampton QPR v Crystal Palace Stoke v Fleetwood Brighton v Wolves AFC Wimbledon v Newcastle Chelsea v Barrow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
