This is a good example of ”disconnect”

[Capt. Pants 4,237]

1 hour ago, Google Bot said:

I disagree as 4 supporters in the home end aren't going to cause much trouble beyond getting their faces kicked in if it kicked off.  They'd be pulled out by stewards in the opening minutes anyway.

However, people acting like **** in the dining and lounge areas where business and sponsors gather is a different matter.  That can reflect very bad on the club.  You can just be a rude **** in those areas and offend a lot of people without actually being kicked out, and after the match anything goes really.

Not so sure about that. It was a very small number of Wolves fans in the WBA end that caused that total over-reaction there.

Sorry but I can't get upset about a few corporates being offended by people being 'rude'.

The problem with the Ipswich game will be fans travelling with no intention of going to the game. They aren't going to blag their way into a corporate box and start throwing sandwiches around. I expect there will be more trouble outside the ground than in it.

 

[essex canary 496]

Another question is why couldn't they run their raffle for people with a NCFC supporter number only which the Club could have verified. If already ST holders it would free up some seats.

[Google Bot 3,278]

33 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Sorry but I can't get upset about a few corporates being offended by people being 'rude'.

No, but if you were responsible for controlling those areas you would be within your rights to be upset with a third party who are giving away tickets pre-assigned to individuals in those areas into unknown hands - hence breach of the T&Cs i'd imagine.

The charity element is what reflects badly on the club, and they should really have dealt with this better from a PR perspective, but when you're responsible for the safety of each and every supporter in that ground no matter who they support.   

The question you need to ask yourself is whether you would take an annual salary for such decisions, and be prepared to turn a blind eye?   I'd say that'd look worse on you if you were in that role.  Once reported this becomes a formal matter.

Edited February 6 by Google Bot

[Greavsy 2,415]

22 minutes ago, essex canary said:

Another question is why couldn't they run their raffle for people with a NCFC supporter number only which the Club could have verified. If already ST holders it would free up some seats.

Not a fan of GDPR are you?

Also why would they want to reduce their target audience. 

Do.you think things through before you post?

[Branston Pickle 3,661]

1 hour ago, canarydan23 said:

I think one of the traits of a club that's "connected" to its community is one that supports initiatives by local businesses that support local charities. So by that metric, yes, this is an example of disconnect.

And naivety? In a thread where people, in their absolute desperation to defend the club regardless of what it does, are positing that;

Ipswich fans are going to flood a raffle by a local, Norwich-based business to try and get tickets

AND

Those Ipswich fans might win the raffle

AND

Those Ipswich fans are going to cause significant trouble inside of a corporate box

That is naivety.

And had the club done what you said and said "Sorry guys, we can't let you use the box for that purpose because of the T&Cs and concerns over the volatile nature of the derby but here is a contribution to NARS to make up for it", it would never have made the news, would it? And the reason it made the news is because it's a surprising story, as in not many people will read it and think that it was a pleasant way for the club to behave.

Interestingly, I wonder what thought-process went through the Own the Pitch competition at the end of last year that offered two season tickets for the rest of the year. OHMYGOD! For only £12 Ipswich fans can enter and might win the tickets AND THEY WOULDN'T EVEN BE BEHIND GLASS!!! Where is the due diligence?!?!

Ironically, entering that competition also led to a boost in the number of AEDs in Norfolk. Do you know what saves more lives than AEDs? Norfolk Accident Rescue Service.

So guys, particularly the intellectual giant that is @Branston Pickle, make it make sense.

Are the club correct in shutting down something that could lead to Ipswich fans watching the derby behind a box in the home end and therefore incorrect at running their own competition that could lead to two Ipswich fans sitting in the ground for the derby?

Or were they correct in running the Own the Pitch competition that could lead to two Ipswich fans sitting among fans in the actual seats for the derby and therefore incorrect at shutting down the raffle that would benefit NARS?

Or have we established that it doesn't matter what the club does in your eyes and I'm actually right about what I thought was a tongue-in-cheek reference to seal clubbing?

At least this contains one piece of truth 🙂.  I confess I didn’t read the rest as it’s probably rubbish. 

Edited February 6 by Branston Pickle

[canarydan23 4,060]

1 minute ago, Branston Pickle said:

At least this contains one piece of truth 🙂.  I confess I didn’t read the rest as it’s probably rubbish. 

Probably a good job; there were words with more than three syllables as well as evidence that would have meant you'd have to admit you were wrong. And you're incapable of dealing with both.

[Branston Pickle 3,661]

25 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

Probably a good job; there were words with more than three syllables as well as evidence that would have meant you'd have to admit you were wrong. And you're incapable of dealing with both.

You clearly don’t understand the meaning of the word ‘evidence’, do you?  It isn’t just “stuff made up to fit an argument”.

[essex canary 496]

1 hour ago, Greavsy said:

Not a fan of GDPR are you?

Also why would they want to reduce their target audience. 

Do.you think things through before you post?

There are 4 seats need filling. Quite straight forward. Any winning season ticket holder could give away their seats under the charity initiative. Would be good if next to Delia to enhance her socialist credentials.

Edited February 6 by essex canary

[Greavsy 2,415]

5 minutes ago, essex canary said:

There are 4 seats need filling. Quite straight forward. Any winning season ticket holder could give away their seats under the charity initiative. Would be good if next to Delia to enhance her socialist credentials.

Did you read my post? 

[essex canary 496]

42 minutes ago, Greavsy said:

Did you read my post? 

The donator wouldn't need to collect the customer number just to get the customer to verify they have one and could produce it for NCFC upon request.

[Greavsy 2,415]

2 minutes ago, essex canary said:

The donator wouldn't need to collect the customer number just to get the customer to verify they have one and could produce it for NCFC upon request.

But that isnt what you said. As quoted below.

2 hours ago, essex canary said:

Another question is why couldn't they run their raffle for people with a NCFC supporter number only which the Club could have verified. If already ST holders it would free up some seats.

 

[RobJames 881]

19 hours ago, Jim Smith said:

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/24098318.norwich-city-stop-raffle-ipswich-tickets-nars-charity/

Or actually more a case of whiners desperate to slag off the club about. Without ploughing through 3 pages I am certain others have pointed out the whys and wherefores of this.  Because something is a 'charidee' it does not mean all sense and regulation has to go out of the window. However,it is a mark of your desperation, that you have to clutch at something like this.

 

[canarydan23 4,060]

2 hours ago, Branston Pickle said:

You clearly don’t understand the meaning of the word ‘evidence’, do you?  It isn’t just “stuff made up to fit an argument”.

So you did read it? Or you didn't read it? And the PSE Live raffle could lead to Ipswich fans in home seats but the club's Own The Pitch competition couldn't? You're tying yourself in knots in this thread, to be honest.

[hogesar 9,676]

4 hours ago, canarydan23 said:

Are the club correct in shutting down something that could lead to Ipswich fans watching the derby behind a box in the home end and therefore incorrect at running their own competition that could lead to two Ipswich fans sitting in the ground for the derby?

Or were they correct in running the Own the Pitch competition that could lead to two Ipswich fans sitting among fans in the actual seats for the derby and therefore incorrect at shutting down the raffle that would benefit NARS?

Or have we established that it doesn't matter what the club does in your eyes and I'm actually right about what I thought was a tongue-in-cheek reference to seal clubbing?

You're an intelligent poster, so i'll only assume you're purposefully pretending not to know the differences here, for whatever reason.

I would assume that as Own The Pitch are a partnership the club would have access to competition data and would be able to "reasonably assume" based on the winner and their details / even being involved in the winning hand-over process, the risk of them being Ipswich fans, which of course is naturally minimised anyway, because it isn't specifically for the Ipswich match.

When a competition is ran for the specific fixture we're talking about where the away end and home end will 100% sell out, and with Ipswich being local rivals, it's of course more likely to attract interest from those down the road. Of course it might not do, but the club have a duty of care and certainly in there eyes a reputation with their biggest sponsors and partners to keep. Having a couple Ipswich fans hilariously win the raffle, cause a scene all without the club being aware of who these people are until it's invariably too late would be embarrassing. 

From what I can see this isn't a case of your "club can do no wrong" as I'm not really seeing many people agree with you. 

[nutty nigel 7,537]

To be this far up the pole (again) Dan and Jimbo must’ve bought raffle tickets…

[C.I.D 302]

Gosh...............and there I was thinking that the word 'disconnect' was only really attributed to such actions as the cutting off of fuel supplies for miscreant debtors 😮

[The Real Buh 3,432]

I really think we need to start planning the Delia leaving party now guys. Can’t wait to see the bitty merchants outsides with bedsheets protesting the party.

[nutty nigel 7,537]

Anyone else used to get torches that would shine green, red or white light?

They’d look good on a protest. Maybe the Watford game just after the mass booing of the subs.

[canarydan23 4,060]

34 minutes ago, hogesar said:

You're an intelligent poster, so i'll only assume you're purposefully pretending not to know the differences here, for whatever reason.

I would assume that as Own The Pitch are a partnership the club would have access to competition data and would be able to "reasonably assume" based on the winner and their details / even being involved in the winning hand-over process, the risk of them being Ipswich fans, which of course is naturally minimised anyway, because it isn't specifically for the Ipswich match.

When a competition is ran for the specific fixture we're talking about where the away end and home end will 100% sell out, and with Ipswich being local rivals, it's of course more likely to attract interest from those down the road. Of course it might not do, but the club have a duty of care and certainly in there eyes a reputation with their biggest sponsors and partners to keep. Having a couple Ipswich fans hilariously win the raffle, cause a scene all without the club being aware of who these people are until it's invariably too late would be embarrassing. 

From what I can see this isn't a case of your "club can do no wrong" as I'm not really seeing many people agree with you. 

Are you trying to convince me? Or yourself?

NARS also said that the competition would be for home fans only, and would have access to similar data to "reasonably assume" the fans were not Ipswich fans.

It's just a **** move. As weirdly obsessed as @nutty nigel is to make out that I'm one of these anti-club weirdos, my posting history will attest to the fact that I'm not. If they do something I think is ****, I'll call it out. This is an example of it. It's not my fault that there's been a lot to call out in the last couple of years.

I'm more than happy to have that described as being up the pole (I had to look that up, I'm of Irish stock so to me that means something entirely different and biologically impossible) if it keeps those with a peculiar and pathological need to deflect all and any criticism on the club as irrational happy. It is weird though.

Again, why do you think the EDP thought it newsworthy?

Delia won't come at you with an egg whisk if you turn around and say, "I love you Norwich, but you've dropped a **** there".

[nutty nigel 7,537]

23 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

Are you trying to convince me? Or yourself?

NARS also said that the competition would be for home fans only, and would have access to similar data to "reasonably assume" the fans were not Ipswich fans.

It's just a **** move. As weirdly obsessed as @nutty nigel is to make out that I'm one of these anti-club weirdos, my posting history will attest to the fact that I'm not. If they do something I think is ****, I'll call it out. This is an example of it. It's not my fault that there's been a lot to call out in the last couple of years.

I'm more than happy to have that described as being up the pole (I had to look that up, I'm of Irish stock so to me that means something entirely different and biologically impossible) if it keeps those with a peculiar and pathological need to deflect all and any criticism on the club as irrational happy. It is weird though.

Again, why do you think the EDP thought it newsworthy?

Delia won't come at you with an egg whisk if you turn around and say, "I love you Norwich, but you've dropped a **** there".

I think Newsquest thought it newsworthy because it would generate lots of lovely clicks. If you follow them you'd find plenty to go up the pole about. So if you don't it's probably best for your BP that you don't consider doing so.

Edited February 6 by nutty nigel

[Branston Pickle 3,661]

1 hour ago, canarydan23 said:

So you did read it? Or you didn't read it? And the PSE Live raffle could lead to Ipswich fans in home seats but the club's Own The Pitch competition couldn't? You're tying yourself in knots in this thread, to be honest.

I’m doing no such thing, you do seem to be getting extremely vexed about it, though.

Hoggy seems to think you’re intelligent so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt - maybe this is just an aberration (oh look, a word with ‘3 or more syllables’….).

Edited February 6 by Branston Pickle

[canarydan23 4,060]

59 minutes ago, nutty nigel said:

I think Newsquest thought it newsworthy because it would generate lots of lovely clicks. If you follow them you'd find plenty to go up the pole about. So if you don't it's probably best for your BP that you don't consider doing so.

You're so close to getting it with that first sentence. Just follow that thought a little further and you'll get there. Unless the blind rage caused by someone having the temerity to criticise an action by the football club is holding you back.

Are you guys aware that you're the opposite end of the spectrum to the uber-critic lobby you detest? The way you look at those fundamentalist miserablists, people look at you. You're two sides of the same the coin, your judgement is just clouded by an opposite bias. It's quite amusing to witness.

Did you just learn the up the pole thing, by the way? Nothing up with that, I didn't know what it meant until today either, I just thought it might explain why you keep erroneously shoehorning it in.

[TIL 1010 4,748]

10 hours ago, essex canary said:

 

Where does this 5 year purchase history for the Ipswich Home Match come from ?

 

I would imagine with the Scum being in a different division for 4 years it is in an effort to prevent any Binners gaining entry to our ticketing system.

Edited February 6 by TIL 1010

[nutty nigel 7,537]

11 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

You're so close to getting it with that first sentence. Just follow that thought a little further and you'll get there. Unless the blind rage caused by someone having the temerity to criticise an action by the football club is holding you back.

Are you guys aware that you're the opposite end of the spectrum to the uber-critic lobby you detest? The way you look at those fundamentalist miserablists, people look at you. You're two sides of the same the coin, your judgement is just clouded by an opposite bias. It's quite amusing to witness.

Did you just learn the up the pole thing, by the way? Nothing up with that, I didn't know what it meant until today either, I just thought it might explain why you keep erroneously shoehorning it in.

My judgement is as that this thread was a godsend for those who have nothing to say when we win. It attracted them like bees round a honeypot. Then you turn up and go straight up the pole about clubbing seals. Haven’t seen you this agitated since the wicked club didn’t move a fixture so that you could watch something else on TV. 
What is your opinion on this nonsense being an example of a disconnect? 
 

[canarydan23 4,060]

18 minutes ago, nutty nigel said:

My judgement is as that this thread was a godsend for those who have nothing to say when we win. It attracted them like bees round a honeypot. Then you turn up and go straight up the pole about clubbing seals. Haven’t seen you this agitated since the wicked club didn’t move a fixture so that you could watch something else on TV. 
What is your opinion on this nonsense being an example of a disconnect? 
 

I addressed that earlier in the thread. Maybe you missed it in your rage?

Do you keep a little journal of when strangers on the Internet criticise the club? Should I be worried? Times like these I'm grateful for our country's gun laws. Surely I'm nowhere near the top of your list?

[nutty nigel 7,537]

19 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

I addressed that earlier in the thread. Maybe you missed it in your rage?

Do you keep a little journal of when strangers on the Internet criticise the club? Should I be worried? Times like these I'm grateful for our country's gun laws. Surely I'm nowhere near the top of your list?

Clubbing seals and gun laws, you’re  rum un Dan. 
So you think this is an example of a disconnect between you and our club. Like when they wouldn’t move a game because you wanted to watch something else on tv. Or when they wouldn’t sack Farke. Or when they did sack Farke.

Do you ever feel connected?

Edited February 6 by nutty nigel

[canarydan23 4,060]

12 minutes ago, nutty nigel said:

Clubbing seals and gun laws, you’re  rum un Dan. 
So you think this is an example of a disconnect between you and our club. Like when they wouldn’t move a game because you wanted to watch something else on tv. Or when they wouldn’t sack Farke. Or when they did sack Farke.

Do you ever feel connected?

I think you ought to get back to your journal old boy, plenty of content for it in this thread. At least only police detectives, the CPS and a jury will ever be subjected to having to read it. Will the EDP journalist be added to it, or is it just PinkUn posters that get your knickers in a twist?

You really should find something more worthy to irk you. Like, maybe an organisation with a turnover of tens of millions of pounds denying a lifesaving charity the opportunity to earn a few hundred quid?

[essex canary 496]

1 hour ago, TIL 1010 said:

I would imagine with the Scum being in a different division for 4 years it is in an effort to prevent any Binners gaining entry to our ticketing system.

Could be a mechanism to prevent our ex-staff making a return visit?

[nutty nigel 7,537]

16 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

I think you ought to get back to your journal old boy, plenty of content for it in this thread. At least only police detectives, the CPS and a jury will ever be subjected to having to read it. Will the EDP journalist be added to it, or is it just PinkUn posters that get your knickers in a twist?

You really should find something more worthy to irk you. Like, maybe an organisation with a turnover of tens of millions of pounds denying a lifesaving charity the opportunity to earn a few hundred quid?

What a nonsense post!

But then so was seal clubbing and gun laws.

I doubt you bought a ticket. Did you. Just felt disconnected on behalf of someone who did.

 

 

[canarydan23 4,060]

8 minutes ago, nutty nigel said:

What a nonsense post!

But then so was seal clubbing and gun laws.

I doubt you bought a ticket. Did you. Just felt disconnected on behalf of someone who did.

It's patently clear empathy is a pretty alien concept to you.

I'll leave it there though, he's busted out an exclamation mark, BP must be up. Best get yourself a horlicks and your journal and get jotting. That way you can use some of this stuff months and years in the future.

At least I hope its how you remember these things. It'd probably be a bit sadder if it actually leaves that much of an impression on you that it's seared into your memory. I couldn't remember what you were talking about initially with the match being moved/watch on TV comment and I was the one who was grumbling about it. Let it go, good for the old BP.