GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,824 Posted September 9, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, shefcanary said: Sorry but no! RL is like a game of draughts. First my go, then your go, then my go until one team makes a mistake. And the team that gains from that mistake generally cruises to victory (I say generally, yes sometimes there is the odd comeback but the teams with a clever captain are very rarely troubled once they get their heads in front, it becomes a procession). Whereas RU, at least their is a bit more randomness about it. I tend to fall asleep during RL, RU I find more exciting. RU and RL....either ends of the same length of turd... Edited September 9, 2023 by GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,755 Posted September 9, 2023 (edited) What a daft game - clear accidental clash of heads.  Not sure quite how that was avoidable, so why on earth is either punished?  The game is far too stop-start and is being ruined from what it once was. Edit - now a red card- that’s ridiculous. Yes, you need to stop bad tackles, but a red card for accidental clash of heads is just rubbish. It quite probably unfairly decides the game within the first 5 minutes. Edited September 9, 2023 by Branston Pickle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ken Hairy 3,815 Posted September 9, 2023 Well that challenge is much worse than the England one 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ken Hairy 3,815 Posted September 9, 2023 OK then proper rugby fans, how is an accidental clash of heads a sending off? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,824 Posted September 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, Branston Pickle said: What a daft game - clear accidental clash of heads.  Not sure quite how that was avoidable, so why on earth is either punished?  The game is far too stop-start and is being ruined from what it once was. Edit - now a red card- that’s ridiculous. Yes, you need to stop bad tackles, but a red card for accidental clash of heads is just rubbish. Thought these egg chasers were supposed to be tough Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ken Hairy 3,815 Posted September 9, 2023 It seems the game is far more stop/start than it used to be, getting as dull as Yank hand egg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ken Hairy 3,815 Posted September 9, 2023 And I thought some of the rules in football were stupid, Rugby rules seem to be just baffling.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,824 Posted September 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, Ken Hairy said: It seems the game is far more stop/start than it used to be, getting as dull as Yank hand egg ..and yet someone at the top.of this thread proclaimed rugby to be 'the best sport to watch' . .. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,348 Posted September 9, 2023 17 minutes ago, Branston Pickle said: What a daft game - clear accidental clash of heads.  Not sure quite how that was avoidable, so why on earth is either punished?  The game is far too stop-start and is being ruined from what it once was. Edit - now a red card- that’s ridiculous. Yes, you need to stop bad tackles, but a red card for accidental clash of heads is just rubbish. It quite probably unfairly decides the game within the first 5 minutes. Looked far more dangerous from the Argie. Ridiculous decision. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ken Hairy 3,815 Posted September 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary said: ..and yet someone at the top.of this thread proclaimed rugby to be 'the best sport to watch' . .. Wasn't me Not sure this is going to persuade me to watch anymore of this tournament Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,348 Posted September 9, 2023 Great stuff. England will have to scrap for every point now. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobJames 909 Posted September 9, 2023 It is said that a game that was about evasion, is now a game of collision Brawn surpassing brain 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,348 Posted September 9, 2023 Superb stuff. Can England hang on? Argentina can't be that bad in the 2nd half. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ken Hairy 3,815 Posted September 9, 2023 Well, its a sport with nonsensical rules, but always nice to bash the Argies, especially under these circumstances Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daz 72 Posted September 9, 2023 Best bit of defending in a long time!! Ncfc take note 😂.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,348 Posted September 9, 2023 Yes really good and as said always great to beat the Argies whatever the event 😉 In the context of the overall World Cup for England this probably doesn't change anything but as a battle of wills and territory that was a great watch. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwearyCanary 1,179 Posted September 9, 2023 Galvanising performance and the like that can bring about belief. We have individuals that can change games and if our forwards are like this throughout then we will be very hard to beat. Argentina were poor, but this England side is littered with outstanding players. A favourable route and we can go deep in this tournament. Still think South Africa have it though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted September 10, 2023 14 hours ago, Ken Hairy said: OK then proper rugby fans, how is an accidental clash of heads a sending off? Rugby fans and players will tell you it shouldn't have been a sending off. The game isn't played in slow motion and there was clearly no intent from Curry. But because of so much litigation about injuries from Rugby, John Inverdale took a bloke to court because he pnched him during a game, the powers that be want to take tackling out of the game. Tualagi's crunching tackle was one of the best moments of the game. Yet they are trialling tackling below the waste only. Yeah that is going to work. It is a stupid, stupid decision. There was nothing wrong with the Agentinian tackle either. Its a clash between two people going for the ball. One is bound to get there first. There was never any intent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,241 Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) Today's finely honed thoroughbreds that constitute the top-level professional footballer wouldn't last five minutes in a game of Rugby. They'd either pull something, twist something or go off with one strain or the other after no time at all. Different animals I suppose. Edited September 10, 2023 by BroadstairsR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trevor Hockey's Beard 531 Posted September 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said: Rugby fans and players will tell you it shouldn't have been a sending off. The game isn't played in slow motion and there was clearly no intent from Curry. But because of so much litigation about injuries from Rugby, John Inverdale took a bloke to court because he pnched him during a game, the powers that be want to take tackling out of the game. Tualagi's crunching tackle was one of the best moments of the game. Yet they are trialling tackling below the waste only. Yeah that is going to work. It is a stupid, stupid decision. There was nothing wrong with the Agentinian tackle either. Its a clash between two people going for the ball. One is bound to get there first. There was never any intent. Tackling below the waste really doesn't leave much of a target, does it - it's legs only. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Bristol Nest 528 Posted September 10, 2023 It was a yellow as he made no attempt to get into a low tackling position. It became a red when the off field official found no mitigation. My concern is three reds in a row for dangerous high tackles is a serious technical issue for England. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,572 Posted September 10, 2023 I must be very sad. I don't like rugby. But then I don't like cricket, I don't watch athletics, I think cycling for sport should be done on tracks and not main roads, I don't like the Premier League, I definitely don't like international football and don't rate ladies football. I don't like boxing and other violent "sports" and golf and snooker are far better taking part in than watching. Having said all that, at least rugby still has a better refereeing system than football and cricket uses technology way more sensibly than football. The way football is governed is so pathetic, the way money has pervaded the game is bad for it, but it still has something more to it than those other sports I mentioned. Not sure what that is, but it still grabs me in a way no other sport does. Of all those sports though, rugby is near the bottom of that list. My dad used to watch Rugby League with Eddie Waring on Grandstand every Saturday afternoon in the sixties and I didn't understand it then and I don't now and have never had any desire to understand it. Also, I've worked in many schools and I've seen so many pupils with bad injuries through playing rugby, sometimes life changing injuries, so is clearly not something that would pass any sensible health and safety regime. Kids are not allowed to play on playgrounds when they're wet, yet they're encouraged to play rugby......doesn't make any sense to me, but what do I know..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,572 Posted September 10, 2023 I must be very sad. I don't like rugby. But then I don't like cricket, I don't watch athletics, I think cycling for sport should be done on tracks and not main roads, I don't like the Premier League, I definitely don't like international football and don't rate ladies football. I don't like boxing and other violent "sports" and golf and snooker are far better taking part in than watching. Having said all that, at least rugby still has a better refereeing system than football and cricket uses technology way more sensibly than football. The way football is governed is so pathetic, the way money has pervaded the game is bad for it, but it still has something more to it than those other sports I mentioned. Not sure what that is, but it still grabs me in a way no other sport does. Of all those sports though, rugby is near the bottom of that list. My dad used to watch Rugby League with Eddie Waring on Grandstand every Saturday afternoon in the sixties and I didn't understand it then and I don't now and have never had any desire to understand it. Also, I've worked in many schools and I've seen so many pupils with bad injuries through playing rugby, sometimes life changing injuries, so is clearly not something that would pass any sensible health and safety regime. Kids are not allowed to play on playgrounds when they're wet, yet they're encouraged to play rugby......doesn't make any sense to me, but what do I know..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted September 10, 2023 51 minutes ago, Trevor Hockey's Beard said: Tackling below the waste really doesn't leave much of a target, does it - it's legs only. But if you tackle the legs from the wrong side you could end up with a serious injury. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Bristol Nest 528 Posted September 10, 2023 13 hours ago, SwearyCanary said: Galvanising performance and the like that can bring about belief. We have individuals that can change games and if our forwards are like this throughout then we will be very hard to beat. Argentina were poor, but this England side is littered with outstanding players. A favourable route and we can go deep in this tournament. Still think South Africa have it though. Agreed. What a turn up for the books. Can't see past France, Ireland or South Africa though. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,824 Posted September 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, lake district canary said: I must be very sad. I don't like rugby. But then I don't like cricket, I don't watch athletics, I think cycling for sport should be done on tracks and not main roads, I don't like the Premier League, I definitely don't like international football and don't rate ladies football. I don't like boxing and other violent "sports" and golf and snooker are far better taking part in than watching. Having said all that, at least rugby still has a better refereeing system than football and cricket uses technology way more sensibly than football. The way football is governed is so pathetic, the way money has pervaded the game is bad for it, but it still has something more to it than those other sports I mentioned. Not sure what that is, but it still grabs me in a way no other sport does. Of all those sports though, rugby is near the bottom of that list. My dad used to watch Rugby League with Eddie Waring on Grandstand every Saturday afternoon in the sixties and I didn't understand it then and I don't now and have never had any desire to understand it. Also, I've worked in many schools and I've seen so many pupils with bad injuries through playing rugby, sometimes life changing injuries, so is clearly not something that would pass any sensible health and safety regime. Kids are not allowed to play on playgrounds when they're wet, yet they're encouraged to play rugby......doesn't make any sense to me, but what do I know..... There's little doubt that if rugby didnt exist nobody in their right mind would invent such an abhoration now... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Bristol Nest 528 Posted September 10, 2023 A bit like motorbikes! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwearyCanary 1,179 Posted September 10, 2023 26 minutes ago, GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary said: There's little doubt that if rugby didnt exist nobody in their right mind would invent such an abhoration now... Knowing what we know, the fact that the players still want to play tells you all you need to know about why humans do things. I expect you’re t-total, never use plastic, never fly anywhere on holiday, don’t eat meat, etc and never will. A sport potentially physically damaging is no different to a practice globally damaging. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cornish sam 968 Posted September 10, 2023 24 minutes ago, SwearyCanary said: Knowing what we know, the fact that the players still want to play tells you all you need to know about why humans do things. I expect you’re t-total, never use plastic, never fly anywhere on holiday, don’t eat meat, etc and never will. A sport potentially physically damaging is no different to a practice globally damaging. A sport that is potentially physically damaging is far different to a practice globally damaging. One only impacts those that choose to take part (and their family), the other has ramifications for everyone and future generations... Though saying that, my kids both play mini rugby and I am not sure about it, I played and don't appear to have any long term damage from it and nor do any of the many people I know who played, but all it takes is one freak incident... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,348 Posted September 10, 2023 It can't be as bad as boxing though. Constant and continual hits to head and the odd haymaker to smash the brain around in the skull. Football is really tame in comparison where it seems all physical contact will eventually be ruled out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites