In a Nutshell

[tea total 83]

It's obvious that we are in a conundrum and something may have to give. Apparently according to some on here Farke was the problem (imo opinion getting rid of him was one of the biggest mistakes the club has ever made and I'm still annoyed) but Smith has the same issues as Farke had...the players aren't good enough to compete in the Premiership...Simple! All those saying about Webber recruiting crap players well with the money he has at his disposal there is little scope for him to get it wrong. Other clubs can afford to make a 20 million dud signing...we can't! And I know that of you asked Webber he'd be disappointed with how some of the signings are taking their time to bed in and adapt. Tzolis is a prime example. He's a young player that came here to work under Farke but Farke is no longer here. How does that affect that player??? Young Tzolis didn't put the price tag on himself but the fans think he's just another player. They are actually human. So going back to Webber his hands are tied...quality or quantity? So then we move up to Delia and Co. Do they sell to someone with loads of money and possibly rip the heart out of the club for financial gain? Yes we might be able to compete but at what cost. Delia could sell but she has the best interests of the club at heart. Investment yes but selling up could be a big mistake. Blame Sky and the Premier league. 💰💰💰 Just my opinion

[cambridgeshire canary 7,797]

Tzolis is here to develop and sell for a profit. Thats all there is too.

[yellowrider120 917]

You infer that it's lack of money, would that be right by saying 'Webber's hand are tied'. However, I seem to recall that Emanuel Dennis was signed by Watford for an extraordinary £3.6M, had a better goal scoring record than our European recruits and has scored more goals this season for said club. With Sargent and Tzolis, Webber messed up, That plus his appalling failure to not properly replace Skipp. 

[cambridgeshire canary 7,797]

4 minutes ago, yellowrider120 said:

You infer that it's lack of money, would that be right by saying 'Webber's hand are tied'. However, I seem to recall that Emanuel Dennis was signed by Watford for an extraordinary £3.6M, had a better goal scoring record than our European recruits and has scored more goals this season for said club. With Sargent and Tzolis, Webber messed up, That plus his appalling failure to not properly replace Skipp. 

As I said Tzolis and Sargent were brought here for us to develop and sell for a profit, they were not brought here for instant impact.

[Capt. Pants 5,008]

6 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

As I said Tzolis and Sargent were brought here for us to develop and sell for a profit, they were not brought here for instant impact.

I think both were brought here with the prospect of making a positive contribution this season with a view to survival in the EPL. As it stands Sargent has been broadly useful, but as per many others in our squad, doesn't get in any other club's first XI. Tzolis at this point in time looks like a complete waste of money, that which could have been used to replace Skipp. 

Had Deano managed to do something with them then we could have all blamed Farke and say he was rightly sacked. Unfortunately that's not the case, so if Farke was held accountable, then so should Webber. And if you feel Deano isn't good enough, then Webber should be accountable for that as well.

I think he's guilty of an alarming lack of judgement this season.

 

 

[hertfordyellow 462]

28 minutes ago, yellowrider120 said:

You infer that it's lack of money, would that be right by saying 'Webber's hand are tied'. However, I seem to recall that Emanuel Dennis was signed by Watford for an extraordinary £3.6M, had a better goal scoring record than our European recruits and has scored more goals this season for said club. With Sargent and Tzolis, Webber messed up, That plus his appalling failure to not properly replace Skipp. 

And I could show signings that were 20 million and failed, loaned out and eventually sold at a massive loss. Focussing on individual players like this is pointless IMO. The point is correct, we fish in waters where failure and success is on a knife edge.

With all due respect, Skipp is now playing regularly for Spurs, replacing him is exceedingly hard.

[tea total 83]

26 minutes ago, yellowrider120 said:

You infer that it's lack of money, would that be right by saying 'Webber's hand are tied'. However, I seem to recall that Emanuel Dennis was signed by Watford for an extraordinary £3.6M, had a better goal scoring record than our European recruits and has scored more goals this season for said club. With Sargent and Tzolis, Webber messed up, That plus his appalling failure to not properly replace Skipp. 

Yes! Webber`s hands are tied and whether you like it or not Webber isn`t going to get every player he goes for. He may have gone in for Dennis but didn`t get him? Sargent isn`t a goal scorer so to compare him with Dennis is a non starter imo. The appalling failure to replace someone of the calibre of Skipp would probably cost loads of 💰 that we don`t have. Norman could do a role in that position so he did try to replace him. I don`t for one minute say that Webber hasn`t had a 100% success rate with every player he`s signed but whether you like it or not Webber is paddling against the tide...with very small oars!

[yellowrider120 917]

18 minutes ago, tea total said:

Yes! Webber`s hands are tied and whether you like it or not Webber isn`t going to get every player he goes for. He may have gone in for Dennis but didn`t get him? Sargent isn`t a goal scorer so to compare him with Dennis is a non starter imo. The appalling failure to replace someone of the calibre of Skipp would probably cost loads of 💰 that we don`t have. Norman could do a role in that position so he did try to replace him. I don`t for one minute say that Webber hasn`t had a 100% success rate with every player he`s signed but whether you like it or not Webber is paddling against the tide...with very small oars!

No - he WAS signed as a striker, not as a 'wide man who can basically hustle and bustle'.

[Ulfotto 798]

The bottom line is that everything had to go in our favour to stay up and literally everything has been against us.

COVID cancelled pre season, fixture list from hell, VAR calls going against vs Leicester and Arsenal. Then the injuries hit. Then Cantwell decided it was time for change. Then COVID hit again and then Idah out injured and we were VAR’d against Brentford. Recruitment gambles also have not paid off.

[Petriix 3,219]

Farke's Championship champions were already over achieving: a well oiled machine, greater than the sum of its parts, four years in the making, where everyone understood their role and how it fitted into the overall team.

Slicing a £60m hole in that and attempting to patch it up with unknowns was always going to be difficult. Slamming a diminutive number 8 shaped spanner in the works was the biggest mistake of them all. Then we've got the inexplicable decline of Cantwell... 

Let's be honest. The squad is weaker now than at any point in the last three seasons. The summer recruitment was abject, and the failure to even attempt to fix it in January was a sad capitulation, like yesterday's game.

 

[tea total 83]

1 hour ago, yellowrider120 said:

No - he WAS signed as a striker, not as a 'wide man who can basically hustle and bustle'.

Not just a striker would be a more accurate comment! Yes Farke and Webber wanted goals from him but it WASN`T only going to be about goals for Sargent.

[keelansgrandad 6,680]

3 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

As I said Tzolis and Sargent were brought here for us to develop and sell for a profit, they were not brought here for instant impact.

I doubt that. He told us he had given DF the weapons this time. 

[Mr Angry 2,017]

5 hours ago, yellowrider120 said:

You infer that it's lack of money, would that be right by saying 'Webber's hand are tied'. However, I seem to recall that Emanuel Dennis was signed by Watford for an extraordinary £3.6M, had a better goal scoring record than our European recruits and has scored more goals this season for said club. With Sargent and Tzolis, Webber messed up, That plus his appalling failure to not properly replace Skipp. 

Dennis didn’t score any league goals last season 🤣

[Ken Hairy 4,272]

5 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

As I said Tzolis and Sargent were brought here for us to develop and sell for a profit, they were not brought here for instant impact.

Do you think either is likely to happen? 

[Heading South 24]

5 hours ago, Ulfotto said:

The bottom line is that everything had to go in our favour to stay up and literally everything has been against us.

COVID cancelled pre season, fixture list from hell, VAR calls going against vs Leicester and Arsenal. Then the injuries hit. Then Cantwell decided it was time for change. Then COVID hit again and then Idah out injured and we were VAR’d against Brentford. Recruitment gambles also have not paid off.

What a load of drivel , are we the only club to suffer from all your ridiculous theories…….. No , we are simply not good enough , with this squad in this league …. End of .

wake up and smell the coffee my friend.

[Ulfotto 798]

7 hours ago, Heading South said:

What a load of drivel , are we the only club to suffer from all your ridiculous theories…….. No , we are simply not good enough , with this squad in this league …. End of .

wake up and smell the coffee my friend.

This is my exact point we are not good enough the vast majority of teams promoted are not.

Therefore to stay up you need everything to go in your favour which this season it clearly hasn’t or do you think we have been lucky this year? When you lack quality which we do you need things to go in your way they haven’t gone for us this year.

Leeds have had an awful time with injuries this year last season they didn’t. 

[canarybubbles 2,199]

3 minutes ago, Ulfotto said:

This is my exact point we are not good enough the vast majority of teams promoted are not.

Therefore to stay up you need everything to go in your favour which this season it clearly hasn’t or do you think we have been lucky this year? When you lack quality which we do you need things to go in your way they haven’t gone for us this year.

Leeds have had an awful time with injuries this year last season they didn’t. 

Sheffield United are another example of where everything went in their favour in their first season and the luck ran out in the second.