New Tory Leader

[Herman 9,864]

22 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

I agree entirely. I will add that the majority of our politicians today are all cut from the same cloth even if it is a slightly different hue. Most have no hinterland of life experience but trod the path of university, Spad, MP and wouldn't know how to change a lightbulb. Instead of public service they are in politics for what they can personally get out of it.  And this is true across all parties. Only difference is the Tories are taking us on one long drawn out slide into Hell, with Labour we'll be fkd within six months of coming to power. 

The two at the top of the Labour Party and quite a few of their front bench are not like that. Maybe you should check them out. 

[dylanisabaddog 5,062]

42 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

I agree entirely. I will add that the majority of our politicians today are all cut from the same cloth even if it is a slightly different hue. Most have no hinterland of life experience but trod the path of university, Spad, MP and wouldn't know how to change a lightbulb. Instead of public service they are in politics for what they can personally get out of it.  And this is true across all parties. Only difference is the Tories are taking us on one long drawn out slide into Hell, with Labour we'll be fkd within six months of coming to power. 

Try telling Angela Rayner that. 

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

1 hour ago, Rock The Boat said:

I agree entirely. I will add that the majority of our politicians today are all cut from the same cloth even if it is a slightly different hue. Most have no hinterland of life experience but trod the path of university, Spad, MP and wouldn't know how to change a lightbulb. Instead of public service they are in politics for what they can personally get out of it.  And this is true across all parties. Only difference is the Tories are taking us on one long drawn out slide into Hell, with Labour we'll be fkd within six months of coming to power. 

If Starmer gets in, its quite possible he will be in for two or three elections. Remember, he is not going to take us back into the EU. He would have done the same with HS2 (probably sooner). He can't help but continue borrowing. He will not renationalise. He will give tax cuts to the poorer

[Hook's-Walk-Canary 213]

1 hour ago, Rock The Boat said:

Lot of truth in that. People feel things are getting worse and want change. 

CON/LAB = The Uni-party..

[Herman 9,864]

You got a ukip government Jools and you're still not happy. The tories have made a colossal mistake trying to appeal to people like you. The absolute state of them. 

[dylanisabaddog 5,062]

1 hour ago, keelansgrandad said:

If Starmer gets in, its quite possible he will be in for two or three elections. Remember, he is not going to take us back into the EU. He would have done the same with HS2 (probably sooner). He can't help but continue borrowing. He will not renationalise. He will give tax cuts to the poorer

I think he'll stand aside at either 4 or 6 years. The country is absolutely stuffed and the only thing he can offer that is different to the current lot is honesty and integrity. 

There are 2 things he can do - 

Legislate to force big (and medium sized) companies to pay the correct amount of tax. 

Customs union

Together those things may provide the money needed to sort it out. But we'll all have to pay more for our Amazon stuff. 

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41 minutes ago, Herman said:

You got a ukip government Jools and you're still not happy. The tories have made a colossal mistake trying to appeal to people like you. The absolute state of them. 

As per you get everything a*** to front. Why and how do you think the conservatives have squandered a huge majority? I'll tell you because you're obviously slow on the uptake - The conservatives have failed to implement the policies in their manifesto - The biggy is mass immigration, they've totally failed on that and that's what the majority of people in this country want dealing with - That and to fully implement Brexit is what the conservatives promised in their manifesto - They haven't fully implemented Brexit - Also lower taxation, they've failed on that, in fact in their time in office they haven't done anything remotely conservative which is why they haven't tried at all to appeal to rightminded people like myself.

I've never witnessed such a socialist bunch of so-called conservatives in my lifetime. 

Edited October 20, 2023 by Hook's-Walk-Canary

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34 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

The country is absolutely stuffed and the only thing he can offer that is different to the current lot is honesty and integrity. 

😃

[king canary 7,705]

12 minutes ago, Hook's-Walk-Canary said:

I've never witnessed such a socialist bunch of so-called conservatives in my lifetime. 

You obviously won't agree but that fact you think this lot are remotely socialist says quite a bit about where your personal overton window sits.

But then you also think Covid was a hoax, Trump won the election and that you are 'rightminded' so I shouldn't be shocked. 

[TheGunnShow 6,104]

The tax burden in general might be relatively high, but one thing is a cert, it's certainly getting funnelled more towards government and their cronies instead of the NHS/the populace at large.

[Yellow Fever 3,852]

17 minutes ago, Hook's-Walk-Canary said:

As per you get everything a*** to front. Why and how do you think the conservatives have squandered a huge majority? I'll tell you because you're obviously slow on the uptake - The conservatives have failed to implement the policies in their manifesto - The biggy is mass immigration, they've totally failed on that and that's what the majority of people in this country want dealing with - That and to fully implement Brexit is what the conservatives promised in their manifesto - They haven't fully implemented Brexit - Also lower taxation, they've failed on that, in fact in their time in office they haven't done anything remotely conservative which is why they haven't tried at all to appeal to rightminded people like myself.

I've never witnessed such a socialist bunch of so-called conservatives in my lifetime. 

Didn't 'Reform' get just 5% at the by-election. Doesn't sound like a vote winner to me.

Edited October 20, 2023 by Yellow Fever

[king canary 7,705]

It is genuinely quite funny to see Tories arguing that Sunak needs to do more 'war on motorists' and 'small boats' type stuff while the vast majority of people would quite like to know about their mortgage/rental costs. energy bills, getting a GP appointment, not waiting 6 months for NHS services etc etc.

The Tories are having the same spiral Labour had where they are getting more an more insular in their arguments and talking almost solely to their base. Keep it up and they'll have a similar spell out of power.

[Hook's-Walk-Canary 213]

7 minutes ago, king canary said:

You obviously won't agree but that fact you think this lot are remotely socialist says quite a bit about where your personal overton window sits.

But then you also think Covid was a hoax, Trump won the election and that you are 'rightminded' so I shouldn't be shocked. 

You missed one, I also think manmade climate change is a scam.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

3 minutes ago, Hook's-Walk-Canary said:

You missed one, I also think manmade climate change is a scam.

Don't forget Bowie was your best mate. Right wing and lying go hand in hand.

[TheGunnShow 6,104]

3 minutes ago, king canary said:

It is genuinely quite funny to see Tories arguing that Sunak needs to do more 'war on motorists' and 'small boats' type stuff while the vast majority of people would quite like to know about their mortgage/rental costs. energy bills, getting a GP appointment, not waiting 6 months for NHS services etc etc.

The Tories are having the same spiral Labour had where they are getting more an more insular in their arguments and talking almost solely to their base. Keep it up and they'll have a similar spell out of power.

Actually, that bit in bold has me thinking - could this apply to ANY situation where a long-ruling party in a democracy, regardless of stripe and indeed location, comes to the end of its cycle?

It seems like a natural conclusion to practically all elected governments off gut instinct. Lose track of their core vote, hyper-focus on it without keeping a beady enough eye on what really matters at that point in time.

[king canary 7,705]

8 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

Didn't 'Reform' get just 5% at the by-election. Doesn't sound like a vote winner to me.

Yes.

As the newly reappeared Van Wink said most people aren't that fussed about politics, sit largely in the centre and do their politics off vibes rather than policies. This is tough for people who are very political and sit at either end of the spectrum to understand.

This means the vast majority of the country are no more desperate for the Patel family who run the local curry house to be summarily deported than they are for open borders. 

[Herman 9,864]

1 hour ago, Hook's-Walk-Canary said:

As per you get everything a*** to front. Why and how do you think the conservatives have squandered a huge majority? I'll tell you because you're obviously slow on the uptake - The conservatives have failed to implement the policies in their manifesto - The biggy is mass immigration, they've totally failed on that and that's what the majority of people in this country want dealing with - That and to fully implement Brexit is what the conservatives promised in their manifesto - They haven't fully implemented Brexit - Also lower taxation, they've failed on that, in fact in their time in office they haven't done anything remotely conservative which is why they haven't tried at all to appeal to rightminded people like myself.

I've never witnessed such a socialist bunch of so-called conservatives in my lifetime. 

Just because they're incompetent and full of false promises does not mean that they are any less of Ukip tribute act, (it probably  makes them more so). They are the furthest right of any conservative government including Thatcher's.

They've implemented brexit and it's **** like we warned you it would be. They can't lower taxes because they have to pay for the ****ty brexit (and covid to be fair).

Their immigration levels have been roughly the same all through their tenure. They've been playing you for a long time simply for your vote. Stop falling for it.

[Nuff Said 5,252]

31 minutes ago, king canary said:

Yes.

As the newly reappeared Van Wink said most people aren't that fussed about politics, sit largely in the centre and do their politics off vibes rather than policies. This is tough for people who are very political and sit at either end of the spectrum to understand.

This means the vast majority of the country are no more desperate for the Patel family who run the local curry house to be summarily deported than they are for open borders. 

What they are desperate for is proper staffing for care homes, the NHS and business. Also a thriving economy. You don’t get that by closing borders.

This is the sort of people we will be voting out at the next election. Most will be glad to see the back of their smug, entitled faces.
 

 

 

 

[PurpleCanary 5,606]

In their desperation to find something - anything - vaguely optimistic the Tory supposed put-down of Starmer is that "he is no Tony Blair." Actually I think they have half a point. If he becomes PM he will be more radical and more socialist🟥 than Blair...😍

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[Herman 9,864]

 

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1 hour ago, Hook's-Walk-Canary said:

As per you get everything a*** to front. Why and how do you think the conservatives have squandered a huge majority? I'll tell you because you're obviously slow on the uptake - The conservatives have failed to implement the policies in their manifesto - The biggy is mass immigration, they've totally failed on that and that's what the majority of people in this country want dealing with - That and to fully implement Brexit is what the conservatives promised in their manifesto - They haven't fully implemented Brexit - Also lower taxation, they've failed on that, in fact in their time in office they haven't done anything remotely conservative which is why they haven't tried at all to appeal to rightminded people like myself.

I've never witnessed such a socialist bunch of so-called conservatives in my lifetime. 

This Brexit?

 

[Hook's-Walk-Canary 213]

33 minutes ago, Herman said:

Just because they're incompetent and full of false promises does not mean that they are any less of Ukip tribute act, (it probably  makes them more so). They are the furthest right of any conservative government including Thatcher's.

So in your estimation the Conservative Party who won a landslide victory with a majority of 80 seats, a net gain of 48, on 43.6% of the popular vote, the highest percentage for any party since the 1979 UK GE is...(wait fot it)......... a UKIP tribute act 😂

If that's the case you'd have to admit the majority of people voted for conservatism/Populism in the last election and because the latter have failed to deliver on their conservative policies/promises they are now losing the aforementioned votes - Just like I stated in my previous post you utter twonk.

[Herman 9,864]

9 minutes ago, Hook's-Walk-Canary said:

So in your estimation the Conservative Party who won a landslide victory with a majority of 80 seats, a net gain of 48, on 43.6% of the popular vote, the highest percentage for any party since the 1979 UK GE is...(wait fot it)......... a UKIP tribute act 😂

If that's the case you'd have to admit the majority of people voted for conservatism/Populism in the last election and because the latter have failed to deliver on their conservative policies/promises they are now losing the aforementioned votes - Just like I stated in my previous post you utter twonk.

People have now seen this populist brand of conservatism/ukipism in action and a large chunk now realise it's a load of old bollox.

Populism: Big on promises. Small on delivery.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

39 minutes ago, Hook's-Walk-Canary said:

So in your estimation the Conservative Party who won a landslide victory with a majority of 80 seats, a net gain of 48, on 43.6% of the popular vote, the highest percentage for any party since the 1979 UK GE is...(wait fot it)......... a UKIP tribute act 😂

If that's the case you'd have to admit the majority of people voted for conservatism/Populism in the last election and because the latter have failed to deliver on their conservative policies/promises they are now losing the aforementioned votes - Just like I stated in my previous post you utter twonk.

Funny how since Brexit, the Tories have declined. So its in order to say they were a UKIP guided party. Its what Cameron panicked about in the first place.

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21 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

 in Tamworth the Labour Party got just 800 more votes than in the general election. And in mid Bedfordshire they got 200 less. This isn’t a swing, The conservative vote stayed at home.Still no desire for Labour even though that's who we'll get.  God help us. 

Magritte's lost artwork:

 

[horsefly 4,326]

17 hours ago, Hook's-Walk-Canary said:

As per you get everything a*** to front. Why and how do you think the conservatives have squandered a huge majority? I'll tell you because you're obviously slow on the uptake - The conservatives have failed to implement the policies in their manifesto - The biggy is mass immigration, they've totally failed on that and that's what the majority of people in this country want dealing with - That and to fully implement Brexit is what the conservatives promised in their manifesto - They haven't fully implemented Brexit - Also lower taxation, they've failed on that, in fact in their time in office they haven't done anything remotely conservative which is why they haven't tried at all to appeal to rightminded people like myself.

I've never witnessed such a socialist bunch of so-called conservatives in my lifetime. 

Oh Dear! According to you, voters are so angry that the Tories haven't delivered their promised far-right agenda of a hard-line Brexit, tax cuts, and zero immigration, they have all decided to vote for Labour instead (20 points ahead in the polls for over a year). Might I suggest you offer your services to Con HQ, it would be great to see Labour 30 points ahead in the polls. 

[dylanisabaddog 5,062]

17 hours ago, Hook's-Walk-Canary said:

As per you get everything a*** to front. Why and how do you think the conservatives have squandered a huge majority? I'll tell you because you're obviously slow on the uptake - The conservatives have failed to implement the policies in their manifesto - The biggy is mass immigration, they've totally failed on that and that's what the majority of people in this country want dealing with - That and to fully implement Brexit is what the conservatives promised in their manifesto - They haven't fully implemented Brexit - Also lower taxation, they've failed on that, in fact in their time in office they haven't done anything remotely conservative which is why they haven't tried at all to appeal to rightminded people like myself.

I've never witnessed such a socialist bunch of so-called conservatives in my lifetime. 

They're not socialists. They're simply incompetent. 

Unfortunately for the Conservative Party the brains of that organisation were remainers and were cast aside by Johnson. Not only did you lose the most intelligent, you lost years of experience at the same time. 

The bookies list of candidates to replace Sunak is a real eye opener. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. It's a party at its lowest ebb ever and it could be about to disappear altogether. Support among the under 40's stands at less than 14% and my generation, where they get 90% of their support, is starting to die. In 20 years most of us will be gone and the Conservative Party will be gone with them. 

One junior minister recently opened a speech in Westminster by saying that the Magna Carta was signed in June 2015. She couldn't understand why people were laughing. If it wasn't my country I'd be laughing too. We don't need to get rid of these people because they're right wing, left wing or moderate. We need to get rid of them because they're frighteningly stupid. 

I disliked Thatcher intensely but I would have been very careful about arguing with her. Like them or not, she also had a cabinet of highly intelligent people behind her. Even Major had a first class brain. Compare and contrast with this lot. 

 

Edited October 21, 2023 by dylanisabaddog

[Daz Sparks 1,205]

3 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

We need to get rid of them because they're frighteningly stupid. 

I am frightened by their stupidity, that's a fact.

[Daz Sparks 1,205]

I want a GE next spring, but I know this craven lot will want to cling on to power for as long as possible, wreaking more havoc as they go.

Sunak isn't up to the job, and he is surrounded by perennial underachievers, incompetents and wannabes, who seem to have more aspirations to be Z list celebrities than to actually make things better for the people they are supposed to serve.

Time for the Tories to step aside, demonstrably, they have failed the nation.

 

Edited October 21, 2023 by Daz Sparks