Herman 9,764 Posted June 14, 2020 What the **** are you on about? It's got nothing to do with the medical profession. It is a slogan currently used to denigrate the BLM movement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,164 Posted June 14, 2020 (edited)  Then why did you fail to capitalise it as such? (Your spelling needs attention too, along with your  foul language.)  Edited June 14, 2020 by BroadstairsR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,764 Posted June 14, 2020 Can't be arsed with you. You've proved beyond any doubt you're just a wind up ****. Blocked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,164 Posted June 14, 2020 (edited) So fragile. Oh well. Can't win them all. Edited June 14, 2020 by BroadstairsR 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kick it off 1,952 Posted June 14, 2020 3 hours ago, City fan said: Well said and you are correct regarding shirts not being able to show any polical leaning. If it said all lives maters it might just get away with it.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,162 Posted June 14, 2020 5 hours ago, Too Bad said: You left out the other 8, and several of the ones mentioned are feel good nonsense at best. Perhaps you could tell us what they are and why you object to them?  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,164 Posted June 14, 2020 (edited) It's all got out of hand. There's me naively thinking that black lives matter was an ad hoc reaction to the awful killing of George Floyd and carrying on concentrating on obeying the rules of lockdown in the hope that we might contain and eventually defeat this dangerous pandemic. Later I found out that BLM is actually a fully fledged organisation that "happily self-identifies as a neo-Marxist movement with various far left objectives, including defunding the police, to dismantling capitalism and the patriarchal system, disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure, seeking reparations from slavery to redistribute wealth and via various offshoot appeals, to raise money to bail black prisoners awaiting trial." (Torygraph.) Now it seems that the universally accepted all lives matter sentiment has become a slogan in response to the above and we now have an ALL movement following the usual course of events whereby extremes lead to extremes. It all originated in the US where such matters have traditionally  been more inflamed than here, there or anywhere. Oh that it could have stayed there.Yesterday was an awful day for our country and included violence, police intimidation, so-called peaceful protesters walking around with self-made placards inscribed with the the most obscene language and louts peeing on the memorial of a hero. The overwhelming majority of citizens looked on in horror especially as it looks highly likely that this will carry on throughout the Summer and that the dreaded second wave of CV 19 will get closer by the week and any attempt to minimise loss of life will become increasingly futile. "Social transformation to breakdown racism, not riots" was one of the many level headed things that the Bishop of Dover (the highly admirable Rose Hudson-Wilkin) said in her televised interview this morning.I would rather support her approach than anything connected with either the BLM or the ALL movements. I certainly wouldn't condone any slogans of any sort on the shirts of football players. At the very least it would inflame things even more.  Edited June 14, 2020 by BroadstairsR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kick it off 1,952 Posted June 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, BroadstairsR said: Oh that it could have stayed there.Yesterday was an awful day for our country and included violence, police intimidation, so-called peaceful protesters walking around with self-made placards inscribed with the the most obscene language and louts peeing on the memorial of a hero. The overwhelming majority of citizens looked on in horror especially as it looks highly likely that this will carry on throughout the Summer and that the dreaded second wave of CV 19 will get closer by the week and any attempt to minimise loss of life will become increasingly futile. "Social transformation to breakdown racism, not riots" was one of the many level headed things that the Bishop of Dover (the highly admirable Rose Hudson-Wilkin) said in her televised interview this morning.I would rather support her approach than anything connected with either the BLM or the ALL movements.  Hang on, Am I misunderstanding here or are you trying to blame BLM protests for inciting the N-azi's into their behaviour yesterday? BLM werne't even there yesterday, and they have no responsibility for the actions of the far-right. Apologies if I have misinterpreted what you've said, it's just the way it came across from reading it - Not accusing you of anything, just trying to understand if I read it correctly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,164 Posted June 14, 2020 (edited) No. I am not apportioning blame. Neither has this been the first week-end of demonstrations and violence and previously it was by supporters of BLM. Some of them were actually there there yesterday, although true that many kept away as instructed. It has built up to this and the BNP have reacted in the only way they know how. I would also prefer to believe that most of the demonstrators at Bristol or wherever of recent weeks knowing what we all know now about the BLM movement would rather align themselves with the sentiment than the politic. Edited June 14, 2020 by BroadstairsR 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenwayFrank 2,459 Posted June 14, 2020  George Floyds death is the tip of the iceberg, as wrong as it was there’s a far bigger problem is the US  https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/6/8/21281998/chicago-deadliest-day-violence-murder-history-police-crime Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted June 14, 2020 1 hour ago, BroadstairsR said: No. I am not apportioning blame. Neither has this been the first week-end of demonstrations and violence and previously it was by supporters of BLM. Some of them were actually there there yesterday, although true that many kept away as instructed. It has built up to this and the BNP have reacted in the only way they know how. I would also prefer to believe that most of the demonstrators at Bristol or wherever of recent weeks knowing what we all know now about the BLM movement would rather align themselves with the sentiment than the politic. The rigtwingers were 'called out' ie given their instructions. On the certain knowledge that this would be how they behave - reasoned thought and debate being very low of their weaponry, or wish. The idea, that has a long history, is that a plague on both houses, would see all protest stopped. This line has been trotted out here - probably unwittingly, but still helps to fuel the flames none the less. the 'defence of the statues' has no more credibility than the Germans claiming that Poles attacked a frontier post in 1939 - or the historical Jewish blood libel. It allows those intent on 'no good' to hide behind a charade of moral righteousness. As I have stated I would suggest most of those thugs have no idea of history other than what they have seen in about a half dozen black and whit war films and what the older ones read in the Victor or Hotspur. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daly 501 Posted June 14, 2020 Could not agree more that Black lives and White lives matter Incredible then that in The States and U.K. by far the majority of Blacks being killed are by fellow Blacks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromage Frais 10 Posted June 14, 2020 1 hour ago, kick it off said: Hang on, Am I misunderstanding here or are you trying to blame BLM protests for inciting the N-azi's into their behaviour yesterday? BLM werne't even there yesterday, and they have no responsibility for the actions of the far-right. Apologies if I have misinterpreted what you've said, it's just the way it came across from reading it - Not accusing you of anything, just trying to understand if I read it correctly Sadly its delusion to think that someone painting BLM on a statue of a revered figure would not be a feast for racists seeking to recruit. You must know how it works in a protest you have about 80/90 percent decent folk then x% who are either hardcore supporters or people out for a ruck for the day. The objective is to start something and then magnify it out to co opt the others either in violence or to visually make it look that the bad behaviour is larger than it was. As soon as a fool tried to burn the flag and the statute was tagged the nasty pieces of work thought excellent we can now use this to try and build up support and increase our power. You now have the festering situation that needs to be addressed of BLM and left wing agitators supported by the well meaning middle class/students on one side and the poor white section of the country (uneducated white boys are actually the worst off in UK with only 5% seeking further education) being worked on by the far right. If one takes 2 minutes to visit the BLM website and read it you clearly see their wish to defund the police and is comrade this and comrade that. It clearly has a political agenda it is indisputable far beyond the simple and universally decent messuage of rights and love between races.   We may look back on this period and think actually this made things worse.   2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,162 Posted June 14, 2020 41 minutes ago, Fromage Frais said: If one takes 2 minutes to visit the BLM website and read it you clearly see their wish to defund the police and is comrade this and comrade that. It clearly has a political agenda it is indisputable far beyond the simple and universally decent messuage of rights and love between races.     https://blacklivesmatter.com/?s=comrade I may be not very good at doing searches and I did take more than 2 minutes but I tried and couldn't find any references to 'comrade'.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crafty Canary 495 Posted June 14, 2020 6 hours ago, Herman said: Because all lives matter is a slogan of the far right and any sensible City fan would not want it anywhere near our shirt. Just like the flag of England being usurped by the hard right. That makes more reason to fly the flag and adopt the All Lives Matter slogan otherwise you meekly concede to the nutters. The slogan is patently right and the flag is our national emblem ad a constituent country of the UK and one I have pride in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kick it off 1,952 Posted June 14, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, daly said: Could not agree more that Black lives and White lives matter Incredible then that in The States and U.K. by far the majority of Blacks being killed are by fellow Blacks Thats a poverty problem, not a race problem. Why are so many black people in poverty? That'll be the structural racism of society. Dumb argument propagated by idiots. Go to any poor area in any city, in any country and you'll find a higher murder rate. If you have lots of poor people of a single race then of course the murder rate amongst them will be high, that's common sense. Akala speaks sense on this strawman argument  Edited June 14, 2020 by kick it off Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kick it off 1,952 Posted June 14, 2020 Well consider me convinced, this guy makes a compelling argument. Â 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromage Frais 10 Posted June 14, 2020 3 hours ago, A Load of Squit said: https://blacklivesmatter.com/?s=comrade I may be not very good at doing searches and I did take more than 2 minutes but I tried and couldn't find any references to 'comrade'.  Ok https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/ Para 7 and Para 17 Gary McFarlane the gentleman next to John Boyega https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/12/make-no-mistake-blm-radical-neo-marxist-political-movement/ and if thats to brexity right wing for you https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hard-left-hijacks-black-lives-matter-movement-lpmfn3f2jhttps://www.marxist.com/international-reports-from-the-black-lives-matter-movement.htm I support their right to freedom of speech and their own personal life journey. However to hand over money to BLM and publicity without knowing or denying the objectives is silly, they themselves are clear about it and upfront.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,162 Posted June 14, 2020 I was searching for 'comrade'. Those two paragraphs seem to be promoting 'the simple and universally decent messuage of rights and love between races.' Para 7. Every day, we recommit to healing ourselves and each other, and to co-creating alongside comrades, allies, and family a culture where each person feels seen, heard, and supported. Para 17. We practice empathy. We engage comrades with the intent to learn about and connect with their contexts. The other stuff isn't from the BLM website. Â Â Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted June 14, 2020 It's the neo-marxst bit I like It's hard not to laugh at these righties China is communist and North Korea is democratic Just as putting a sign 'honest John' above a back street car dealers, makes him honest 😉 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromage Frais 10 Posted June 14, 2020 2 hours ago, A Load of Squit said: I was searching for 'comrade'. Those two paragraphs seem to be promoting 'the simple and universally decent messuage of rights and love between races.' Para 7. Every day, we recommit to healing ourselves and each other, and to co-creating alongside comrades, allies, and family a culture where each person feels seen, heard, and supported. Para 17. We practice empathy. We engage comrades with the intent to learn about and connect with their contexts. The other stuff isn't from the BLM website.   Good so you confirm its there and this time you actually read it. Yes the other stuff is from national newspapers the Times is usually considered a quality paper and did not support brexit etc.  1 hour ago, Bill said: It's the neo-marxst bit I like It's hard not to laugh at these righties China is communist and North Korea is democratic Just as putting a sign 'honest John' above a back street car dealers, makes him honest 😉 How do you know they are righties? Maybe they went to donate money to BLM UK and read the go fund me page... which kudos to them has raised over 850,000£https://uk.gofundme.com/f/ukblm-fund YESTERDAY by UKBLM Fund, Organiser "We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately and systematically harm Black people in Britain and around the world." I am not saying thats right or wrong power to them etc etc. But considering that we rightly or wrongly live in a capitalist society that requires political change and thus the organisation is not simply one of morals. And if the capitalism is "dismantled" what will replace it..... My point with references and proof is not that BLM is right or wrong but it is a self defined movement with political aims. So football teams should seek long and hard before aligning themselves with it. To be honest if they keep raking in money at this rate they may remove the socialist/defund police stuff to keep the gravy train rolling.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,162 Posted June 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, Fromage Frais said: Good so you confirm its there and this time you actually read it. Yes the other stuff is from national newspapers the Times is usually considered a quality paper and did not support brexit etc. Â Â But you originally questioned what was on the web site and you didn't represent what they put fairly. Â Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jerzy Krukowski 5 Posted June 14, 2020 14 hours ago, Jonncfc said: The sentiment of the statement black lives matter is clearly laudable and there should be equality of opportunity in all respects, regardless of race or ethnicity, so in that respect all lives matter. However, black lives matter and Black Lives Matter (BLM) are two very different things. BLM is an extreme far-left group with links to the SWP. Where is your evidence that BLM have any links to SWP? A newspaper article claiming that an SWP member attended a rally doesn;t count by the way, as I expect there will have also been a Scientologist or two there too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jerzy Krukowski 5 Posted June 14, 2020 8 hours ago, Crafty Canary said: Just like the flag of England being usurped by the hard right. That makes more reason to fly the flag and adopt the All Lives Matter slogan otherwise you meekly concede to the nutters. The slogan is patently right and the flag is our national emblem ad a constituent country of the UK and one I have pride in. All Lives Matter is a right wing movement attempting to counter Black Lives Matter. Everyone knows all lives matter, the point is that in many, if not all, countries where black people are a minority, their lives do not seem to count for as much. People may not like to accept it but the wealth and status of Britain is built on the slave labour of millions of people. The industrial revolution and modern state was fuelled by a machine the UK invented and exported round the world. The sad thing is that the very same cretins who are upset that a statue of Colson was pulled down or wandering around London abusing women picnicing in Hyde park are the descendants of the same who were also exploited by the rich in factories, mines, mills and trenches. The reality is that those who benefited most from slavery and the industrial revolution were the bankers, politicians and landed gentry. They're still taking the **** out the ordinary people now, and half of you still can't see it. They've been laughing at you for a thousand years from their shooting and fishing estates.      1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wazzock 902 Posted June 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jerzy Krukowski said: All Lives Matter is a right wing movement attempting to counter Black Lives Matter. Everyone knows all lives matter, the point is that in many, if not all, countries where black people are a minority, their lives do not seem to count for as much. People may not like to accept it but the wealth and status of Britain is built on the slave labour of millions of people. The industrial revolution and modern state was fuelled by a machine the UK invented and exported round the world. The sad thing is that the very same cretins who are upset that a statue of Colson was pulled down or wandering around London abusing women picnicing in Hyde park are the descendants of the same who were also exploited by the rich in factories, mines, mills and trenches. The reality is that those who benefited most from slavery and the industrial revolution were the bankers, politicians and landed gentry. They're still taking the **** out the ordinary people now, and half of you still can't see it. They've been laughing at you for a thousand years from their shooting and fishing estates.      You forgot to mention royalty, when that finally comes up the brown stuff will really hit the fan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites