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[keelansgrandad 6,679]

14 minutes ago, Indy said:

😷 not really hard to please but had enough of the bull****e BBS, like the 750 million spent on a world beating track and trace, system which never happened, the millions wasted on PPE never used as it wasn’t fit for purpose or the 200,000 a day + testing by end of April which never happened.....and so on. Now like WBB we’ve been ahead of the press on here thanks to knowing people involved in the vaccine process, but our government just appear to be behind all the time, lockdown had we stopped all those on Boxing Day from travelling out of london we wouldn’t have the levels of this new Covid variant so prevalent.......lockdown should have happened 8 am Boxing Day!

The only defence they have about the Oxford vaccine is that the scientists behind it want to see if there are any side effects from it. One of them said that several people did go into shock initially with the Pfizer vaccine. Anaphylactic shock is one concern they wish to avoid especially with the vulnerable.

Apart from that, the vaccine is here in enough amounts to accelerate the program.

[kick it off 1,952]

5 minutes ago, sonyc said:

I read that too. And I thought about you - you're the education  expert here (it's always useful to hear about the experience of someone on the frontline rather than others who sometimes have a theory or a view that lacks an evidence base). From the outside it feels very messy in what's happening with schools. And I'm sure answers are not ready-made.

It's a depressing article. One can only wonder if it's about Johnson having people in the cabinet that are worse than him! He is not convincing at all. We cringe when he is on TV.

Nobody thought they would ever live to see an education secretary that was less popular with teachers than Gove. As a whole, the profession despised Gove and the damage he did to the sector. Williamson is worse and it's not even close. Never thought I'd see the day where I witnessed staffroom conversations about things being better under Gove.

[paul moy 235]

4 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

The only defence they have about the Oxford vaccine is that the scientists behind it want to see if there are any side effects from it. One of them said that several people did go into shock initially with the Pfizer vaccine. Anaphylactic shock is one concern they wish to avoid especially with the vulnerable.

Apart from that, the vaccine is here in enough amounts to accelerate the program.

 Vaccines are only tested on healthy people so they go slowly first on rollout because of potential side-effects such as allergies that did not appear in the testing phase.  That is commonsense and normal procedure for new vaccines.

[paul moy 235]

2 minutes ago, kick it off said:

Nobody thought they would ever live to see an education secretary that was less popular with teachers than Gove. As a whole, the profession despised Gove and the damage he did to the sector. Williamson is worse and it's not even close. Never thought I'd see the day where I witnessed staffroom conversations about things being better under Gove.

Basically socialists don't like Tories.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

4 minutes ago, paul moy said:

 Vaccines are only tested on healthy people so they go slowly first on rollout because of potential side-effects such as allergies that did not appear in the testing phase.  That is commonsense and normal procedure for new vaccines.

They also test over a longer period. For all the assurances that normal protocols have followed, that is a deception.

I am prepared to ignore that and have it.

[kick it off 1,952]

5 minutes ago, paul moy said:

Basically socialists don't like Tories.

I certainly don't like incompetent ones who are literally damaging the sector, no. I wouldn't like an incompetent Labour one who was damaging children's education either. Are you giving him a pass on being incompetent because he's a Tory or are you grown up enough to judge him by his actions (or lack of action) regardless of political persuasion?

If you think he's doing a good job then I'd love to know why? Alternatively maybe pipe down with silly comments that don't have any sense behind them.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Did you go to a State school Moyo?

[Indy 3,301]

6 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

They also test over a longer period. For all the assurances that normal protocols have followed, that is a deception.

I am prepared to ignore that and have it.

 

21 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

The only defence they have about the Oxford vaccine is that the scientists behind it want to see if there are any side effects from it. One of them said that several people did go into shock initially with the Pfizer vaccine. Anaphylactic shock is one concern they wish to avoid especially with the vulnerable.

Apart from that, the vaccine is here in enough amounts to accelerate the program.

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-11-19-oxford-coronavirus-vaccine-produces-strong-immune-response-older-adults
 

It has already had testing on all age groups so as usual Paul is not being totally accurate.
 

 

Edited January 5, 2021 by Indy

[Well b back 3,227]

12 minutes ago, paul moy said:

 Vaccines are only tested on healthy people so they go slowly first on rollout because of potential side-effects such as allergies that did not appear in the testing phase.  That is commonsense and normal procedure for new vaccines.

What an absolute and utter load of s***. 
All of those that follow a different thread will know what you have just put, is untruthful, misleading and would encourage people not to take the vaccine
 

[Well b back 3,227]

4 minutes ago, Indy said:

 

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-11-19-oxford-coronavirus-vaccine-produces-strong-immune-response-older-adults
 

It has already had testing on all age groups so as usual Paul is not being totally truthful. 
 

 

We learnt well lol

It makes me wonder, as a 60 year old diabetic who was considered not old enough or had enough underlying conditions to go on the trial, if I should ever have volunteered for the trials to benefit people like that.

 

[Well b back 3,227]

21 minutes ago, paul moy said:

Basically socialists don't like Tories.

I vote Tory, I have always voted Tory, if Johnson or his mates have nothing to do with it I may well vote Tory again. My problem is Johnson, he is a clown, nobody respects him, only a few trust him. Not a leader for a Pandemic, not his fault, I accept that’s one thing he couldn’t have realised was about to happen.
 

[Well b back 3,227]

13 hours ago, paul moy said:

The situation is changing all the time, people are ignoring the rules, so no wonder cases have risen.  Too many people saying that lockdowns don't work, masks don't work etc.

It is easy to blame Boris but people don't need to look around too much to see clear breaches by some moronic people, as I have.     The best news as far as I'm concerned is that students must stay at home.......... but will they ??????

Did you mean t**** like this breaking the rules ? Maybe the rules weren’t made clear enough ?

Theres always one that makes you look stupid.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/jacob-rees-mogg-under-fire-for-crossing-tiers-to-attend-latin-mass-in-glastonbury/ar-BB1cuIn6?ocid=msedgntp

[Surfer 1,547]

The only requirement for someone to inject vaccine into another person's body is appropriate medical training. 

So that also rules out 99% or more of the armed forces. 

I support Kick It Off's comments about getting back to using common sense and using people qualified to do a job, do that job.

Everything else is just posturing.

[paul moy 235]

12 hours ago, Well b back said:

What war ?

I thought Johnson signed up to Covax and we are all in this together are you now saying he shouldn’t have done that ?

 

You love trolling 🤣

[paul moy 235]

11 hours ago, Well b back said:

Did you mean t**** like this breaking the rules ? Maybe the rules weren’t made clear enough ?

Theres always one that makes you look stupid.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/jacob-rees-mogg-under-fire-for-crossing-tiers-to-attend-latin-mass-in-glastonbury/ar-BB1cuIn6?ocid=msedgntp

The sanitising of hands,  wearing of masks and social distancing are clear, and they are absolutely key to containing the virus but of course people like you cannot understand simple rules.    

[paul moy 235]

11 hours ago, Well b back said:

What an absolute and utter load of s***. 
All of those that follow a different thread will know what you have just put, is untruthful, misleading and would encourage people not to take the vaccine
 

You do not like the truth.  This was explained by an eminent virologist  on Five Live a few weeks ago.  I repeat.  Vaccines are only knowingly tested on healthy people during the testing phase.  It is only on rollout that some other side-effects can be found as in the case of some people that were found to have allergies.  😎

The fact that you do not like the answer does not make it untrue.  In the case of the Pfizer vaccine some people were found to have allergies to the vaccine on rollout and fortunately had immediate access to their epipens to counteract the allergic reaction.

The professor explained that this scenario was not unusual as testing on vulnerable people is avoided when developing vaccines for obvious reasons.

Perhaps he was lying ?????  🤣

[Indy 3,301]

8 hours ago, Surfer said:

The only requirement for someone to inject vaccine into another person's body is appropriate medical training. 

So that also rules out 99% or more of the armed forces. 

I support Kick It Off's comments about getting back to using common sense and using people qualified to do a job, do that job.

Everything else is just posturing.

That’s not strictly true, I was an advanced first aider when offshore as such I was trained to administer certain treatments in crises or emergency response that included how to inject correctly.

Each armed forces has a medic core with better trained staff  than we had offshore so I’m not sure of the numbers which could be utilised to administer the shot. That aside the logistical requirements for distribution and control the armed forces are trained for this type of work and are best suited to work alongside the NHS. This government are under the spotlight after making a pigs ear of virtually everything else during this crises.

Edited January 6, 2021 by Indy

[Well b back 3,227]

17 minutes ago, paul moy said:

The sanitising of hands,  wearing of masks and social distancing are clear, and they are absolutely key to containing the virus but of course people like you cannot understand simple rules.    

So let me get this right if I break the rules I am an idiot, when Mogg breaks the rules, that’s fine ?? Do you think he should carry on in his position ?

You really are a prize t***. See my posts about the rules ??? When the likes of Jools have said you shouldn’t wear masks I have posted against that. As you say people cannot understand simple rules Mogg broke the rules, why is he not being fined ? 

[Indy 3,301]

3 minutes ago, Well b back said:

PSo let me get this right if I break the rules I am an idiot, when Mogg breaks the rules, that’s fine ?? Do you think he should carry on in his position ?

You really are a prize t***. See my posts about the rules ??? When the likes of Jools have said you shouldn’t wear masks I have posted against that. As you say people cannot understand simple rules Mogg broke the rules, why is he not being fined ? 

I really don’t know why you don’t just block him WBB, I did last month, talks ****e! Must be related to Swindon.

Edited January 6, 2021 by Indy

[Well b back 3,227]

16 minutes ago, paul moy said:

You do not like the truth.  This was explained by an eminent virologist  on Five Live a few weeks ago.  I repeat.  Vaccines are only knowingly tested on healthy people during the testing phase.  It is only on rollout that some other side-effects can be found as in the case of some people that were found to have allergies.  😎

The fact that you do not like the answer does not make it untrue.  In the case of the Pfizer vaccine some people were found to have allergies to the vaccine on rollout and fortunately had immediate access to their epipens to counteract the allergic reaction.

The professor explained that this scenario was not unusual as testing on vulnerable people is avoided when developing vaccines for obvious reasons.

Perhaps he was lying ?????  🤣

You are telling me I don’t understand the vaccine, some on here will find that really funny

What you put was anti vaxing s***. There isn’t much I don’t know about the vaccines. How about the Oxford vaccine was developed 4 1/2 years before March, so had done its safety checks, do you understand the rhesus monkey test and the findings, anyone on here that does knows with the Oxford vaccine and COVID that test needs to be understood.

What you put was misleading and now even more so, the government do not have to roll the vaccine out slowly, the MHRA gave it emergency authorisation and declared it safe. The vaccine was tested on over 80’s with underlying conditions.

 

[Bill 1,788]

7 minutes ago, Indy said:

I really don’t know why you don’t just block him WBB, I did last month, talks ****e! Must be related to Swindon.

Moy and Jools are the same person, not as thick as Swindo

but just as dishonest and full of lies

best avoided

[sonyc 5,535]

Really disappointed to read that pharmacies (11400 of them in the UK) have been snubbed by the government in administering the vaccine. They were desperate to do the Oxford vaccine and could have provided over a million a week (already they do millions of flu jabs a year of course). You might think pharmacies would have just the local reputation that is important. Presumably a logistics issue? Or own goal?

[Well b back 3,227]

9 minutes ago, Indy said:

I really don’t know why you don’t just block him WBB, I did last month, talks ****e! Must be related to Swindon.

I would Indy, but you know my thoughts on the anti vaxers giving misleading information they have to be stopped. Till his last post ( his reply ) didn’t even realise he meant a slow roll out by the government, thought he meant the trials. What that actually does is say our government got it wrong with emergency use approval and the likes of the EU have it right going for full approval. Ties himself in knots.

Defending Mogg for breaking the rules ? Probably defended Cummins as well, these are the reasons people break the rules ?

[Well b back 3,227]

3 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Really disappointed to read that pharmacies (11400 of them in the UK) have been snubbed by the government in administering the vaccine. They were desperate to do the Oxford vaccine and could have provided over a million a week (already they do millions of flu jabs a year of course). You might think pharmacies would have just the local reputation that is important. Presumably a logistics issue? Or own goal?

We will see Sonyc

shouldnt be logistic with Oxford. 
 

 

[sonyc 5,535]

Just now, Well b back said:

We will see Sonyc

shouldnt be logistic with Oxford. 
 

 

I meant getting the vaccine to so many sites rather than a supply issue WBB. Presumably the government wants fewer vaccination hubs? Only guessing.

[paul moy 235]

24 minutes ago, Well b back said:

So let me get this right if I break the rules I am an idiot, when Mogg breaks the rules, that’s fine ?? Do you think he should carry on in his position ?

You really are a prize t***. See my posts about the rules ??? When the likes of Jools have said you shouldn’t wear masks I have posted against that. As you say people cannot understand simple rules Mogg broke the rules, why is he not being fined ? 

Clearly you are just trolling.  Have a good day.......  😎

[Yellowfuture 71]

There is a risk that everyone is jumping on little snippets of news which may not prove to be correct. 
Zahawi ( the pimpernel ) said this morning that they (pharmacies) would be involved.

Edited January 6, 2021 by Yellowfuture
Added pharmacies

[Barbe bleu 829]

4 minutes ago, sonyc said:

I meant getting the vaccine to so many sites rather than a supply issue WBB. Presumably the government wants fewer vaccination hubs? Only guessing.

Getting it to the hubs in the first place, and organising the appointments and records too.

Perhaps more moving parts will be added as the programme matures. 

I am firmly in the 'the earlier and the quicker, the better' camp on this but i see sense in the roll out plan as it has been presented.

Edited January 6, 2021 by Barbe bleu

[sonyc 5,535]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vaccine-covid-lockdown-easing-plan-b1783068.html

At least the vaccine Minister has spoken this morning. First we have heard from him? He is non-committal

[ricardo 7,395]

Wow!

Germany yesterday  1198 fatalities.