New Labour Leader

[canarydan23 4,060]

12 minutes ago, Van wink said:

 The morons that supported Corbyn wasted their golden opportunity

I see, it was the people who voted Boris who got it right was it? The families and friends of 218,000 who died of Covid whilst Boris partied might have something to say about that.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

45 minutes ago, Van wink said:

 The morons that supported Corbyn wasted their golden opportunity

I think that is harsh. Corbyn eventually became the moron himself but many genuine people, including me, supported so many of his policies.

[cambridgeshire canary 6,721]

14 hours ago, canarydan23 said:

I see, it was the people who voted Boris who got it right was it? The families and friends of 218,000 who died of Covid whilst Boris partied might have something to say about that.

It does not have to be one or the other.

The Boris V Corbyn election was one I did not vote in as I thought for both were and still are tossers for example.

[canarydan23 4,060]

19 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

It does not have to be one or the other.

The Boris V Corbyn election was one I did not vote in as I thought for both were and still are tossers for example.

Ed Miliband aside, I can't think of another election in my life time were both leaders of the main parties weren't tossers.

[cambridgeshire canary 6,721]

2 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

Ed Miliband aside, I can't think of another election in my life time were both leaders of the main parties weren't tossers.

I don't know Gordon Brown seemed like a decent bloke..

If you ignore the bigot comment (I mean to be fair he was not exactly wrong) and the whole selling of the gold part.

[canarydan23 4,060]

8 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

I don't know Gordon Brown seemed like a decent bloke..

If you ignore the bigot comment (I mean to be fair he was not exactly wrong) and the whole selling of the gold part.

And the raging tantrums, screaming at staff, foul-mouthed abuse and the allegations that he even got physical. Yeah, decent.

[cambridgeshire canary 6,721]

11 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

And the raging tantrums, screaming at staff, foul-mouthed abuse and the allegations that he even got physical. Yeah, decent.

Still a saint compared to May, Boris and Sunak mind 🤣

[canarydan23 4,060]

1 minute ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

Still a saint compared to May, Boris and Sunak mind 🤣

To be honest, I'd have him over Starmer in a heartbeat too.

[canarydan23 4,060]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-tories-starmer-sunak-poll-b2290995.html

Who was it who was saying Starmer is crap but only doing well because the Tories are crapper?

[sonyc 5,520]

1 minute ago, canarydan23 said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-tories-starmer-sunak-poll-b2290995.html

Who was it who was saying Starmer is crap but only doing well because the Tories are crapper?

Yeh, read that too with interest. 

This situation is what a populist government has led us to. Johnson and his cabal of sycophants have eroded trust through their constant lying and triumphal statements. The latter now being seen as empty. The damage has also affected Labour.

 

[Yellow Fever 3,788]

12 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-tories-starmer-sunak-poll-b2290995.html

Who was it who was saying Starmer is crap but only doing well because the Tories are crapper?

 

7 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Yeh, read that too with interest. 

This situation is what a populist government has led us to. Johnson and his cabal of sycophants have eroded trust through their constant lying and triumphal statements. The latter now being seen as empty. The damage has also affected Labour.

 

I put that in the 'Ask a silly question, Get a silly answer' box. Same as the referendum.

Any poll or Question' that can engender a negative catch-all response with a leading question(s) will always give this kind of response. It 's a bit like asking do you think you are paid enough - Answer  'No'.  You also see the same kind of thing on many 'Green' initiatives or even the NHS/Care - people say they want cheap public  transport (but then won't use it pay for it in their taxes).

There is no shortage of alternative parties but few vote for them under our present system.

[king canary 7,607]

12 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-tories-starmer-sunak-poll-b2290995.html

Who was it who was saying Starmer is crap but only doing well because the Tories are crapper?

I bet those 63% don't have much of an agreement about what they want from a new party though.

The only remotely successful attempt to create a new party in my lifetime was UKIP, a largely single issue right wing party. Once they dragged the Tories off in their preferred direction they fell away.

In theory the area most ripe for a new party is something in the political centre yet those never seem to work, largely because they always seem to be ran by uninspiring technocrats with no real connection to average people on either side of the aisle.

Based on polling data though you might do well by combining Corbyn esq economic policy with UKIP esq social policy. Interestingly the Lib Dems seem to choose the exact opposite path, hence their descent into obscurity. 

[canarydan23 4,060]

1 hour ago, Yellow Fever said:

but few vote for them under our present system

And the present system won't change under Starmer, because even he knows that he wouldn't get near Number 10 with PR. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas. If we had a majority in Parliament, or even a Labour/Tory leader, who cared about the country more than themselves and their parties, FPTP would have been consigned to the dustbin decades ago. Even Corbyn sniveled behind FPTP, despite the fact that had the 2017 election been contested under the Single Transferable Vote system (though still not my preference), he would have been Prime Minister.

[littleyellowbirdie 2,550]

On 28/02/2023 at 14:06, king canary said:

I bet those 63% don't have much of an agreement about what they want from a new party though.

The only remotely successful attempt to create a new party in my lifetime was UKIP, a largely single issue right wing party. Once they dragged the Tories off in their preferred direction they fell away.

In theory the area most ripe for a new party is something in the political centre yet those never seem to work, largely because they always seem to be ran by uninspiring technocrats with no real connection to average people on either side of the aisle.

Based on polling data though you might do well by combining Corbyn esq economic policy with UKIP esq social policy. Interestingly the Lib Dems seem to choose the exact opposite path, hence their descent into obscurity. 

Lib Dems are recovering well. They're back up to 11% from their low of 7%. There's a large number of Conservative seats where they're the second place party where they have a good chance of winning at the next election.

Their fall from grace in the first place was because they were seen as a Labour ally; going into coalition with the Conservatives alienated a lot of the 'stop the Tories' lib dem voters, which was the cause of them being devastated to the Conservatives benefit.

An upside of that experience is that the rebuild has been built more on people who have disdain for both the Conservatives and Labour for their respective records of deceit and betrayal in majority government.

As an aside, when comparing Blair and Johnson, Blair still wins for me as the biggest source of distrust in British politics. Johnson has basic character flaws that leave him caught out in fairly trivial lies; Blair is an otherwise first-class statesman whose lies and corruption of the civil service to embellish his lies, with the aid of Alistair Campbell, led to loss of trust in UK politics, loss of trust in the UK on the global stage as a champion of order and stability, and the undermining of the respect for international law itself as a mechanism to avoid military conflict.

Edited March 2, 2023 by littleyellowbirdie

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Deputy chairman of the Conservative Party Lee Anderson has said it is a "myth" that people on Universal Credit are in poverty.

Very difficult to believe that Lee Anderson was once a Labour Councillor

[A Load of Squit 5,167]

24 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Deputy chairman of the Conservative Party Lee Anderson has said it is a "myth" that people on Universal Credit are in poverty.

Very difficult to believe that Lee Anderson was once a Labour Councillor

 

He said that someone in his constituency uses a food bank but he's seen them in McDonalds 2 or 3 times a week.

He must spend a lot of his time in Maccy D's.

 

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

24 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

He said that someone in his constituency uses a food bank but he's seen them in McDonalds 2 or 3 times a week.

He must spend a lot of his time in Maccy D's.

 

And McDonalds is cheaper than buying food in a supermarket for some.

[Herman 9,768]

This "new" anti-boat migrant law is clearly a lump of red meat for the hard of thinking and a obvious trap for Labour. How do Labour approach this?

 

[TheGunnShow 5,940]

1 hour ago, Herman said:

This "new" anti-boat migrant law is clearly a lump of red meat for the hard of thinking and a obvious trap for Labour. How do Labour approach this?

 

Didn't the figures for such start radically increasing under this shower?

[Herman 9,768]

13 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said:

Didn't the figures for such start radically increasing under this shower?

Yep, entirely of their own making, their own policies and ripping up of agreements post brexit. But we're not supposed to know that...... 

[dylanisabaddog 4,930]

1 hour ago, Herman said:

This "new" anti-boat migrant law is clearly a lump of red meat for the hard of thinking and a obvious trap for Labour. How do Labour approach this?

 

It's an absolute nightmare. The Conservative Party has looked at the situation they find themselves in and have identified immigration as being the only issue that can save them from being annihilated at the next election. The difficulty for Labour is that it's an extremely complex problem which means the answer is likely to be complex and will involve compromise. How on earth they approach it I don't know because the Conservatives will convince a lot of people that their problems are caused by immigration and those people don't understand anything complex. If you give them answers they neither like or understand they get upset. 

The really sad fact is that when a country is in a mess it is very simple politics to blame it on minorities. It's been done before with disastrous consequences and we're now seeing the start of it happening again. 

I suppose we could create some form of European group of countries that decided how to help these people and how to fund a solution. And perhaps it might help if we stopped selling weapons to Saudi Arabia. 

One thing is for sure. The next election is not going to be for the faint hearted. One side is relying purely on hate to avoid losing. 

[littleyellowbirdie 2,550]

On 23/02/2023 at 19:21, canarydan23 said:

I see, it was the people who voted Boris who got it right was it? The families and friends of 218,000 who died of Covid whilst Boris partied might have something to say about that.

At the 2019 election, few had cottoned on to the threat of a pandemic. This was the choice as I see it at the 2019 general election for the English electorate.

Conservatives:

• Serial liar
• Liked tax and spend
• Bloody-minded approach to getting out of the EU.
• Penchant for gratuitous offense.

Labour

• Guy who failed to address internal and external complaints of antisemitism
• Guy who called a terrorist group friends
• Offered confirmatory referendum on EU membership once deal negotiated, confused by Labour leader being highly Eurosceptic and failed to oppose the government significantly on most key Brexit-related legislation; nobody really knew where Labour stood on Brexit
• Leader who spent his life campaigning to scrap Trident now saying he wouldn't do it (major trust and credibility issue) in an environment of growing global tensions.

Lib Dem

• Clear policy to cancel article 50 and stay in the EU in line with the party's long-standing position supportive of the EU.
• Leader had big teeth and wasn't servile enough as leader of a diminished party
• Party didn't deliver a manifesto policy 12 years ago as a minority party in a coalition, destroying their credibility in comparison to Labour and the Conservatives who have 'impeccable'  records on delivering manifesto commitments in majority government 🙃
• "wasted vote under FPTP" (because not many people were bothered enough about staying in the EU to just vote on principle over policy for once in their lives, even in the knowledge of 16.8m voters who expressed a desire not to leave the EU.

Edited March 7, 2023 by littleyellowbirdie

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

If Suzy Eddie is looking for a safe seat oop North, then his PR needs a bit of working on.

[dylanisabaddog 4,930]

On 07/03/2023 at 06:48, Herman said:

This "new" anti-boat migrant law is clearly a lump of red meat for the hard of thinking and a obvious trap for Labour. How do Labour approach this?

 

Switched on the radio this morning to hear a procession of Tories using the phrase "Stop The Boats". Are they still paying Dominic Cummings on the quiet? 

Whatever, they seem to have their new 3 word slogan to appeal to their public. 

[Herman 9,768]

8 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

Switched on the radio this morning to hear a procession of Tories using the phrase "Stop The Boats". Are they still paying Dominic Cummings on the quiet? 

Whatever, they seem to have their new 3 word slogan to appeal to their public. 

As previously noted, all they have left is vote rigging and racism. A scummy party really hitting the depths. 

[dylanisabaddog 4,930]

7 minutes ago, Herman said:

As previously noted, all they have left is vote rigging and racism. A scummy party really hitting the depths. 

Just listened to one moaning about Lineker. The reporter asked if it would be OK for Lineker to state his view if it was in support of the Government. Long silence..... 

[TheGunnShow 5,940]

7 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

Just listened to one moaning about Lineker. The reporter asked if it would be OK for Lineker to state his view if it was in support of the Government. Long silence..... 

In America, see "socialism", which basically means government support for something the person in question doesn't agree with. 😉

Edited March 8, 2023 by TheGunnShow

[canarydan23 4,060]

13 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

If Suzy Eddie is looking for a safe seat oop North, then his PR needs a bit of working on.

Watch out Little Mermaid...

[littleyellowbirdie 2,550]

23 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said:

In America, see "socialism", which basically means government support for something the person in question doesn't agree with. 😉

A friend of mine insists America has socialism, but only for the very rich!

[TheGunnShow 5,940]

6 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

A friend of mine insists America has socialism, but only for the very rich!

He's not wrong either. Any time you hear the "too big to fail" argument is generally its most obvious manifestation.

Edited March 8, 2023 by TheGunnShow