Van wink 2,994 Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) Windies dropping like flies Edited June 14, 2019 by Van wink Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,168 Posted June 14, 2019 Too easy now with Root and Bairstow comfortable. Could be famous last words, but England could do with a convincing win to establish themselves as favourites ..... there was a hint of the complacent against the Pakis and that team will always have a knack of exposing any weakness on the day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Angry 1,561 Posted June 14, 2019 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paki_(slur) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted June 14, 2019 Just asking, but the county is called Pakistan. The land of the Pak(s) i.e. the pure. Like Afghanistan is the land of the Afghans. And Tajikistan is the land of the Tajiks. There is some discussion here : so like many things it's the intent behind the word that counts. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Talk:Paki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,168 Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) Well that didn't take long ...a matter of minutes Actually it's not a 'slur' when used as a shortened version of Pakistani and refers directly to people from Pakistan. Even young Pakistanis use it in reference to their group. They probably invented it. It is a 'slur'when used in the wider sense for all Asians, Bangladeshi, Indians etc. or even people with a dark skin. However, you never know in these sensitive times. Some snowflake will get upset whatever is said or used. It's the intent that matters in any case. Edited June 14, 2019 by BroadstairsR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,607 Posted June 14, 2019 It isn't that hard to write 'Pakistani' is it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fuzzar 1,702 Posted June 14, 2019 1 minute ago, king canary said: It isn't that hard to write 'Pakistani' is it? Especially when the rest of your posts are usually so generously worded Broadstairs... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,168 Posted June 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, king canary said: It isn't that hard to write 'Pakistani' is it? How silly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,607 Posted June 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, BroadstairsR said: How silly. Yes, you are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bethnal Yellow and Green 1,558 Posted June 14, 2019 21 minutes ago, BroadstairsR said: Well that didn't take long ...a matter of minutes Actually it's not a 'slur' when used as a shortened version of Pakistani and refers directly to people from Pakistan. Even young Pakistanis use it in reference to their group. They probably invented it. It is a 'slur'when used in the wider sense for all Asians, Bangladeshi, Indians etc. or even people with a dark skin. However, you never know in these sensitive times. Some snowflake will get upset whatever is said or used. It's the intent that matters in any case. ‘Paki’ has never been used as a non-offensive term for people from Pakistan. The word ‘Paki’ was created by far right groups in England as a derogatory term. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,607 Posted June 14, 2019 Lets be honest with what has happened here. It's a racial slur, closely associated with racist violence. Broadstairs know this. He's posted knowing this and knowing the reaction it would get so he can get his jollies by calling people snowflakes. Whatever works for him I guess... 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,168 Posted June 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, king canary said: Yes, you are. You excelled yourself there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feedthewolf 4,846 Posted June 14, 2019 A little concerned about the injuries to Roy and Morgan, but other than that it's been an excellent day's work. Archer is simply a revelation - we need to find a place for him in the Test squad this summer, however we do it. And you really can't say P*ki. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cornish sam 953 Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) I bet Broadstairs agrees with Alan partridge about **** not being racist because it's both a race of people and a type of food... Edit: interesting that that one is in the filter but not the under discussion... Edited June 14, 2019 by cornish sam Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted June 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said: A little concerned about the injuries to Roy and Morgan, but other than that it's been an excellent day's work. Archer is simply a revelation - we need to find a place for him in the Test squad this summer, however we do it. And you really can't say P*ki. It’s amazing how Archer gets so much pace without even looking to try. He’s a big guy but his action must be spot on for delivering pace. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,607 Posted June 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said: And you really can't say P*ki. He can say it. He just have to deal with people telling him saying it makes him a bit of a racist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,607 Posted June 14, 2019 Just now, Van wink said: It’s amazing how Archer gets so much pace without even looking to try. He’s a big guy but his action must be spot on for delivering pace. He's quite a player isn't he? I remember watching Chris Jordan who seemed to generate 90% of his pace from his shoulders which always made me wince. Archer doesn't seem to have that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,168 Posted June 14, 2019 1 minute ago, king canary said: Lets be honest with what has happened here. It's a racial slur, closely associated with racist violence. Broadstairs know this. He's posted knowing this and knowing the reaction it would get so he can get his jollies by calling people snowflakes. Whatever works for him I guess... I actually posted the term without a thought in the world and fully aware that "My Paki brother," is an oft used term that people from that country use frequently when referring to each other, as I know from personal experience x a lot. The fact that some skinhead in 1964 decided to use the term in a derogatory fashion about all people from that area is no reason whatsoever why I should need to think twice about the terminology I use, when discussing a cricket match, and which will never have any offensive intent in any case. Your rather ridiculous interpretation of my intentions just serves to confirm my own view that you seem to have nothing better to do than lurk continuously on this forum looking for conflict. That you are not very good at it doesn't seem to deter you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,168 Posted June 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, king canary said: He can say it. He just have to deal with people telling him saying it makes him a bit of a racist. This is beyond belief. Who the **** do you think you are calling a me "a bit of a rascist." You haven't got a clue have you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,607 Posted June 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, BroadstairsR said: This is beyond belief. Who the **** do you think you are calling a me "a bit of a rascist." You haven't got a clue have you? Snowflake. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,168 Posted June 14, 2019 1 minute ago, king canary said: Snowflake. Got it in one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bethnal Yellow and Green 1,558 Posted June 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, BroadstairsR said: The fact that some skinhead in 1964 decided to use the term in a derogatory fashion about all people from that area is no reason whatsoever why I should need to think twice about the terminology I use, when discussing a cricket match, and which will never have any offensive intent in any case. It wasn’t that a skin head in 1964 (nice googling) decided to use it in a racist way - the word literally didn’t exist until racists started using it in a derogatory way. The word was invented for racism, it is racist of birth. Even if you don’t believe it to be a racist slur (which is obviously is), it is hard to argue that it isn’t at least a disrespectful term. If you have so much experience of South Asian using the word to describe themselves, I suggest you should ask them if they would find it fine for you to describe them that way. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Angry 1,561 Posted June 14, 2019 I grew up in Watford in the 1970s-we had a large Asian population consisting of mainly Pakistanis, Indians and Bangladeshis. “Paki” was only ever used as a derogatory term-I never heard a white Caucasian using the term in a positive way. You point out that fellow Asians use the term “My Paki brother” but then you’re not Asian are you? That’s a bit like saying it’s ok to call black people N***** because they call each other that. And people who were offended by the term in the 1970s weren’t snowflakes then and they aren’t snowflakes now. I have no idea what your intent was, but if it was brevity, then might I point out that typing “against the Pakis” uses one more character than typing “against Pakistan”. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,168 Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) "If you have so much experience of South Asian using the word to describe themselves, I suggest you should ask them if they would find it fine for you to describe them that way." In the correct company I suggest that they would take no more offence than I would if an Australian called me a pom (something to do with prisoners of his/her majesty.) Or from the disgruntled, middle-aged American lady who, when I reprimanded her for her rudeness to bar staff in Singapore who told me that "BRITS" were "too clever by half." Offence will always be there if you look for it. Perhaps you actually know differently, or alternatively you can use your googling skills which seem as seem well honed as mine. Edited June 14, 2019 by BroadstairsR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted June 14, 2019 With Afghanistan and Sri Lanka to come. weather permitting, we might have enough before the big three come at us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,168 Posted June 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said: With Afghanistan and Sri Lanka to come. weather permitting, we might have enough before the big three come at us. The Aussies (sorry Australians) look ominous so far.Their fielding was superb the other day and won the match for them against the Pakistanis (nb.) I'm one of those who think that the blatant cheats (Warner and Smith)have been allowed back into the International fold too soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,767 Posted June 14, 2019 Aussies is fine as it isn't derogatory or racist. Hope that helps👍 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,168 Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) Here we go again. Yet another one freely bandying about second hand terminology at the slightest hint of something to take offence at, and in this case the use of a term on a football forum that in certain company was once, and perhaps still is, used in a derogatory manner. Oblivious to the fact that such a reaction does nothing but dilute the very cause they would appear to stand for by constant overuse of words that, in the real world, should only be used to condemn the real menace of "racism" both at home and worldwide. Perhaps those who only seem capable of using such hackneyed expressions in such a loose manner should take more time to consult their history books, and I do not just mean those starting at the Holocaust. Real ugly, evil racialism goes back centuries to the extent that that any terminology meant without offence does not even constitute the thin end of the wedge. Real Racism is indeed hordes of skinheads marching through sensitive areas with intent to violence. 'Intent' being the operative word in the same way that the forces in Myanmar intended to wipe out the Rohingya population. That's rascism. To call upon the racist label to react against a casual term is trite, simplistic and undermines the cause of people who have need to face up to genuine prejudice in their lives. It might well be the easy route to take, as getting on one's high horse with copycat, comfort zone, self-indulgence usually is, but it hardly addresses the real issues. Edited June 14, 2019 by BroadstairsR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,607 Posted June 14, 2019 1 hour ago, BroadstairsR said: To call upon the racist label to react against a casual term is trite, simplistic and undermines the cause of people who have need to face up to genuine prejudice in their lives. Like British Pakistanis? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,659 Posted June 14, 2019 Oh dear, a tame cricket thread gets ‘turned’. Back to the matter in hand, good to see the ‘blip’ that was England’s second game put behind them, we stand in a pretty good position as no one was ever likely to win all the group games. Sunday's game (Ind v Pak) ought to be good, so long as the rain holds off.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites