The Positive Brexit Thread

[SwindonCanary 455]

More project fear from mouse brain Bill 

[horsefly 4,326]

3 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

More project fear from mouse brain Bill 

So a little while ago I posted an example of the worries about the supply of food that came from the industries involved in supplying it. Could you tell me why they are wrong without just shouting "project fear" which is just a meaningless phrase and a smokescreen.

[Bill 1,788]

poor mouse brain is the 'last one standing'

the idiot kid left to face the music when all the others had fled

from Farage, Rees-Mogg, IDS to Widdecombe and all the ukip/brexit party loons

they have all hidden themselves away, as the sht hits the fan at a greater amount by the hour

yet here stands the forums very own village idiot not only covered in that self same sht, but talking it as well

[SwindonCanary 455]

Me & Boris !

[Herman 9,860]

Morgan Stanley the latest to move billions to Frankfurt. The wins keep on coming. Us remainers are going to look silly. 

[horsefly 4,326]

These Brexit talks have steadily turned into the longest and craziest economic suicide note in history.

[SwindonCanary 455]

Brexit  has steadily made Britain independent again  

[Yellow Fever 3,851]

What is absolutely obvious now is that the average Brexiteer clearly didn't, and most still don't, have any understanding on the position the EU would take on preferential access to its single market. Many warned that the EU they would not, could not buckle - they don't need us more than we need them, the German car industry will not force them to change and so on. In short there is no cake and eat it - just crumbs of humble pie. If you leave the club - well you've left the club. It may be cold outside.

Now given the above the Brexit leaders were either foolish, intellectually challenged incompetent dreamers or they knew they were selling snake oil to the gullible but had a deeper agenda.

Given that most are right wing Tories I believe the true reason why they pursued Brexit was simply that in order to promote their 'US' style free-market, relaxed employment rights, bare minimum safety net economic model they needed as a start to remove the UK from the EU (and generally European) societal norms  - the 'welfare state' that grew up since WW2 and largely now enshrined in EU SM rules. This is what drives a no-deal brexit as no other 'level playing field' deal will allow such a potential relaxation in employment standards, amongst others, to occur. In short it's what makes the two positions irreconcilable and no-deal a certainty.

Now, that's fine if you want to live like this - but I very much suspect most Brits don't (or won't) - and especially those that tend to need more state help. I guess for them it will be a case of get on your bike. Literally.

So wind up the gullible with nonsense about 'sovereignty', faux patriotism, add some nostalgia via rose tinted specs for the 1950s and 60's and you brew up a perfect storm - a witches brew.

Thing is though - Can the Brexiteers survive the whirlwind that they will have created when the awful truth comes out!     

Edited December 10, 2020 by Yellow Fever

[horsefly 4,326]

52 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Brexit  has steadily made Britain independent again  

How? Explain to us how your life will become more independent and more free after Brexit.

Edited December 10, 2020 by horsefly

[benchwarmer 625]

Apparently the licensing and regulation of medicines is one of the sticking points.  That probably explains why Johnson introduced the Pfizer vaccine prior to licensing by the EU (or indeed by the US or anyone else).  Who says covid isn't political?  

Edited December 10, 2020 by benchwarmer

[PurpleCanary 5,604]

47 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

What is absolutely obvious now is that the average Brexiteer clearly didn't, and most still don't, have any understanding on the position the EU would take on preferential access to its single market. Many warned that the EU they would not, could not buckle - they don't need us more than we need them, the German car industry will not force them to change and so on. In short there is no cake and eat it - just crumbs of humble pie. If you leave the club - well you've left the club. It may be cold outside.

Now given the above the Brexit leaders were either foolish, intellectually challenged incompetent dreamers or they knew they were selling snake oil to the gullible but had a deeper agenda.

Given that most are right wing Tories I believe the true reason why they pursued Brexit was simply that in order to promote their 'US' style free-market, relaxed employment rights, bare minimum safety net economic model they needed as a start to remove the UK from the EU (and generally European) societal norms  - the 'welfare state' that grew up since WW2 and largely now enshrined in EU SM rules. This is what drives a no-deal brexit as no other 'level playing field' deal will allow such a potential relaxation in employment standards, amongst others, to occur. In short it's what makes the two positions irreconcilable and no-deal a certainty.

Now, that's fine if you want to live like this - but I very much suspect most Brits don't (or won't) - and especially those that tend to need more state help. I guess for them it will be a case of get on your bike. Literally.

So wind up the gullible with nonsense about 'sovereignty', faux patriotism, add some nostalgia via rose tinted specs for the 1950s and 60's and you brew up a perfect storm - a witches brew.

Thing is though - Can the Brexiteers survive the whirlwind that they will have created when the awful truth comes out!     

Spot on. Re your first paragraph, one cliché that is being used at the moment is 'A No-deal is the worst outcome for both sides.'  Which is true and not true. The EU wants a deal, but it cannot agree to a deal that threatens the single market.

It depends on what the deal might be, of course, but a deal that threatens the 27-nation single market would be worse than a No-Deal that protects the SM but messes up trade with one third country.

[Jools 584]

53 minutes ago, benchwarmer said:

Apparently the licensing and regulation of medicines is one of the sticking points.  That probably explains why Johnson introduced the Pfizer vaccine prior to licensing by the EU (or indeed by the US or anyone else).  Who says covid isn't political?  

Covid is ALL political, benchwarmer:

 

 

[Creative Midfielder 2,004]

1 hour ago, benchwarmer said:

Apparently the licensing and regulation of medicines is one of the sticking points.  That probably explains why Johnson introduced the Pfizer vaccine prior to licensing by the EU (or indeed by the US or anyone else).  Who says covid isn't political?  

I don't know how many times this has to be pointed out but we are still in the transition period, and the UK licensed the Pfizer vaccine under, and in accordance with, the EU rules.

The only politics involved in this case was Johnson showboating so that he could score some cheap headlines about being the first country to licence and use the vaccine - any other EU country could have done the same but they all decided (very sensibly most people would say) that adopting the emergency procedures that the UK did to shortcut the process by a couple of weeks wasn't worth the risk of damaging public confidence in the safety of the vaccine - you may or may not have noticed that there is a serious concern amongst public health officials in the UK and across Europe as to whether there will a sufficient proportion of the population taking up the offer of the vaccines given the strength of anti-vax sentiments in most western countries. 

[SwindonCanary 455]

2 hours ago, horsefly said:

How? Explain to us how your life will become more independent and more free after Brexit.

It will not happen until 2021 !

[Creative Midfielder 2,004]

2 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

It will not happen until 2021 !

So now answer the question that horsefly asked 'how your life will become more independent and more free after Brexit.'

After all, you voted for it four years ago and again last year, we left the EU 10 months ago and in 3 weeks time the transition period will be over and yet you still can't answer a very straightforward question like that 🤣

[dylanisabaddog 5,062]

5 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

It will not happen until 2021 !

What do you think will happen in 2021 to make this better. Please try to explain how being the only country in the world not to have a trade deal with its nearest neighbour will benefit us. Our nearest neighbour also happens to be one of the largest markets in the world. 

Sorry, I forgot Korea. North and South Korea don't have a trade deal 

[SwindonCanary 455]

9 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

So now answer the question that horsefly asked 'how your life will become more independent and more free after Brexit.'

After all, you voted for it four years ago and again last year, we left the EU 10 months ago and in 3 weeks time the transition period will be over and yet you still can't answer a very straightforward question like that 🤣

it's not my life it's the countries 

[horsefly 4,326]

21 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

It will not happen until 2021 !

But you have said you will become more independent and free so tell us in what ways you will be more independent and free in 2021. Christ! you're the one that keep telling us this so you should be able to say in what ways this will be true.

Edited December 10, 2020 by horsefly

[horsefly 4,326]

3 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

it's not my life it's the countries 

Unbelievable!!!! So you think all this chaos and loss of billions to our economy is worth it because the country will be more independent but it won''t make the individuals living in the country more free and independent. So Huge amounts of pain for no gain. WOW! you Brexiteers really are retar*ds.

[horsefly 4,326]

8 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

it's not my life it's the countries 

Also, earlier I posted an article on the trade deal with Japan which pointed out that the restrictions on our opportunities to provide state aid to UK companies are more strictly regulated than those currently applied by the EU. So this is an example of how our country will be less independent in 2021. Perhaps you would now like to tell us all how that is a positive, as so far not one of you brexiteers has responded.

https://www.ft.com/content/edb7d155-56b4-4065-9f83-31b2247fa178

[SwindonCanary 455]

8 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Unbelievable!!!! So you think all this chaos and loss of billions to our economy is worth it because the country will be more independent but it won''t make the individuals living in the country more free and independent. So Huge amounts of pain for no gain. WOW! you Brexiteers really are retar*ds.

There's got to be a down side before we rise !

[horsefly 4,326]

5 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

There's got to be a down side before we rise !

So sodding well tell us what the rise is supposed to be. You're one of the idiots who voted for this so surely you must have some idea of how it is supposed to benefit us. Or are you telling us it was just a gamble by a bunch of brain-dead buffoons?

Edited December 10, 2020 by horsefly

[SwindonCanary 455]

you call them  a bunch of brain-dead buffoons I DON'T

[horsefly 4,326]

4 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

you call them  a bunch of brain-dead buffoons I DON'T

Your choice, but the question was, what is supposed to be the "rise" that you voted for that will make our lives materially better?

[SwindonCanary 455]

 

[SwindonCanary 455]

[Creative Midfielder 2,004]

45 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

you call them  a bunch of brain-dead buffoons I DON'T

I'm afraid that says more about you than them, although nothing that we don't already all know.

Now, are you going to answer the question or are you just going to keep copying and pasting random, irrelevant twaddle?

[Indy 3,344]

So with the shrinking economy, massive debt, huge unemployment, lack of deal and covid the perfect storm as said by British business leaders tonight. All wanted a deal to ensure smooth transition to our biggest sales the EU market!

Now they will have tariffs, delayed travel, working restrictions for their English workers in the EU and face competition from EU countries who are now free to compete directly against British companies who had protect work place agreements.

Well done, massive price to pay for sovereignty of 12 miles of worthless seas.

Edited December 10, 2020 by Indy

[Herman 9,860]

How could it have failed so badly?

[horsefly 4,326]

1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

So the truth is clear, you can't think of a single thing to say about how our lives will be improved by Brexit. So you voted for a catastrophic policy that will actually cause massive harm for no benefit and yet you object to be called brain-dead buffoons. Utterly crazy!