paul moy 235 Posted February 6, 2020 19 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: Now the tables have turned. Politically the Johnson government looks unassailable, It's time the UK played the strong hand. And if Barnier and his masters still don’t get it, how about falling back on the divorce payment ? It does not have to be paid anyway says the law . Where on Earth does it come from anyway ? Mrs May has a lot to answer for. It was a deliberately bad deal for the reason that the plan was to run it off against 'remain' in a second referendum. Thank god the plot failed. Brexiteer MPs in parliament, especially Boris, know clearly what was going on and now it is time for the EU to pay for its deceit. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,819 Posted February 6, 2020 Johnson voted FOR Theresa May's deal. Are you ever going to wake up to the fact you were scammed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) Boris voted for it only because he thought it would take us out . no scamming Edited February 6, 2020 by SwindonCanary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creative Midfielder 2,001 Posted February 6, 2020 54 minutes ago, Herman said: Johnson voted FOR Theresa May's deal. Are you ever going to wake up to the fact you were scammed? In mad Moyo's case that seems very unlikely, plain facts are incidential or more usually totally ignored when (as nearly always) they don't mesh with his delusions, and even if he ever wakes up to reality he's never going to admit that he's been taken for a fool by a bunch of liars (and the Daily Express 😂😂). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron obvious 1,514 Posted February 6, 2020 https://unherd.com/2020/02/i-dont-miss-the-nastiness-of-the-left/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups[0]=18743&tl_period_type=3 Boris’s full throttle defence of global capitalism, meanwhile, in his recent speech at Greenwich — salvation by free trade — represented a form of business-minded utopianism in which genuine conservatives ought to detect the dangerous odour of ideology. Conservatives don’t believe in grand plans, whether capitalism or socialism. They see the world as inherently messed up; our job is to get on and try and make the best of it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,580 Posted February 6, 2020 13 hours ago, paul moy said: The point is that the EU are threatening to scrap talks and that plays into Boris's hands as he just needs a ready excuse for WTO. I can envisage the transition period being cut short which would end something that most leavers never wanted anyway. As soon as we go to WTO the EU will come running for a deal ....... 🤣 If, as you now keep saying, you wanted all along to trade via the WTO (not true, of course - you said we would keep all our access to the single market) and the UK ends up in the best of all possible worlds, trading via the WTO, then why would you want to give that paradise up to do some sub-standard deal with the EU? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted February 6, 2020 WTO is always an option whilst negotiating with the EU Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,819 Posted February 6, 2020 13 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: WTO is always an option whilst negotiating with the EU It just means that we failed at negotiations and are leaving with nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted February 6, 2020 Yes, if they don't play ball it's WTO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted February 6, 2020 Sky News understands more than 40 migrants have been intercepted in the English Channel by British and French patrol boats this morning and they have been brought to Dover I wonder how many are leaving a war zone ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TCCANARY 263 Posted February 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: Sky News understands more than 40 migrants have been intercepted in the English Channel by British and French patrol boats this morning and they have been brought to Dover I wonder how many are leaving a war zone ? I'm sure you'll be updating us later when you have the information. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,819 Posted February 6, 2020 33 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: Yes, if they don't play ball it's WTO That means we leave with nothing. 40 odd years of talks and negotiations thrown away. This isn't rocket science. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,819 Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Creative Midfielder said: In mad Moyo's case that seems very unlikely, plain facts are incidential or more usually totally ignored when (as nearly always) they don't mesh with his delusions, and even if he ever wakes up to reality he's never going to admit that he's been taken for a fool by a bunch of liars (and the Daily Express 😂😂). And as Swindo shows us, they will always find an excuse for Johnson's unscrupulous behaviour. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,819 Posted February 6, 2020 @PurpleCanary. Your talk of the Premier League and the problems it will face with the change to FOM has come to fruition. One of the top men has been talking about and trying to find a solution. I'll try and find the article later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted February 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, Herman said: That means we leave with nothing. 40 odd years of talks and negotiations thrown away. This isn't rocket science. Does that mean you would agree to anything the EU put's forward ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,396 Posted February 6, 2020 20 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: Sky News understands more than 40 migrants have been intercepted in the English Channel by British and French patrol boats this morning and they have been brought to Dover I wonder how many are leaving a war zone ? The fools! Don't they realise they are entering a disaster area😉 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,819 Posted February 6, 2020 Yes, even if it was only dog doo on a stick. 🤣 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted February 6, 2020 Makes you wonder why they all want to live here ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,819 Posted February 6, 2020 You make me wonder why I want to live here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,396 Posted February 6, 2020 14 minutes ago, Herman said: You make me wonder why I want to live here. Cheap property in China I hear. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TCCANARY 263 Posted February 6, 2020 "No10 bans government from using phrase ‘no deal’ insisting ‘non-negotiable outcome’ must be used instead". Also; Lie will be known as a 'Boris' Racists liar will known as a 'Swindon' WTO will be known as 'Xanadu' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul moy 235 Posted February 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Herman said: Johnson voted FOR Theresa May's deal. Are you ever going to wake up to the fact you were scammed? That was when many MPs thought it was either this rubbish WA or remain, and you know it. Rees Mogg voted for it also for that reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul moy 235 Posted February 6, 2020 20 hours ago, BigFish said: And there you have it, the fundamental flaw in your argument. That is not the only question. For a start there is a question of how awkward the UK will be negotiations. At present Johnson is playing to the gallery and talking tough. The EU is politely making the case that the less level the playing field the more friction at the borders. After that line by line, sector by sector there are hundreds, probably thousands, of questions, compromises and trade-offs. Fact is we don't need the EU as much as they think we do. WTO is fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, TCCANARY said: "No10 bans government from using phrase ‘no deal’ insisting ‘non-negotiable outcome’ must be used instead". Also; Lie will be known as a 'Boris' Racists liar will known as a 'Swindon' WTO will be known as 'Xanadu' Where did you get 'Racists liar will known as a 'Swindon' from it's not me ! Edited February 6, 2020 by SwindonCanary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul moy 235 Posted February 6, 2020 15 minutes ago, TCCANARY said: "No10 bans government from using phrase ‘no deal’ insisting ‘non-negotiable outcome’ must be used instead". Also; Lie will be known as a 'Boris' Racists liar will known as a 'Swindon' WTO will be known as 'Xanadu' They already call the WA a Deal, so they are clearly aiming at a non-negotiable outcome and WTO..... all great news. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigFish 1,988 Posted February 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, paul moy said: Fact is we don't need the EU as much as they think we do. WTO is fine. Quite honestly @paul moy I think you struggle to spell WTO, let alone understand what WTO rules imply. Let me spell it out to you. THERE IS NOT A SINGLE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD THAT RELIES ONLY ON WTO RULES FOR THEIR TRADE. Not one, why would the UK be different? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoola Han Solo 448 Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said: WTO is always an option whilst negotiating with the EU So we got back control but are now just going to cede it to whoever will jump into bed with us, as we desperately shop around for deals. Other nations have the bargaining power over us. You and other jingoistic racists like @paul moy have put us right in the s hit. 👍🏻 Edited February 6, 2020 by Hoola Han Solo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted February 6, 2020 It's time you stopped calling anyone who voted to leave racist ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigFish 1,988 Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said: WTO is always an option whilst negotiating with the EU Hey Swindo, What is the biggest economy that does not have any Free Trade agreements other than membership in the WTO? So while Googling, I came across the WTO website which, it turns out, has a database of trade-agreements that member countries have notified them of. Unfortunately you can’t run arbitrary queries on the database, but luckily the countries were all referred to by their ISO-3166 numeric codes, therefore, if I took a list of countries, I could downloaded each one and read the list of agreements. For this I use the BeautifulSoup library and inserted the data into some simple Django models I created. I have uploaded the source code to GitHub in case anybody wants to play around with it. The Results Once I had the data, I could write a query to return all the countries that lacked any agreements. Upon running it, I found that many of the returned countries weren’t actually countries at all, but dependent territories like Bermuda and Puerto Rico. I therefore manually removed these. I was then left with this list: Holy See Mauritania Monaco Montenegro Palau Timor-Leste Sao Tome and Principe Serbia Somalia South Sudan Sudan Western Sahara However again, I knew this wasn’t right Serbia and Montenegro are both members of CEFTA, so I investigated further. It turns out that neither are a member of WTO, which is why they have not notified the WTO of their agreements. So I then compared this list with a list of WTO members and removed any that were not members. The next step would have been to order these by GDP, but that turned out to be unnecessary, as there is only one country in the world that trades only under WTO rules. That country: MAURITANIA For those of you not familiar with Mauritania, it’s GDP is $4,714million (0.2% of the UK’s), 50% of its exports consist of Iron Ore, and between 1% and 17% of the population still live in slavery. It appears that this is the country that Leave.UK wish to emulate. I am afraid that this is not a vision for Britain’s future that I can share. https://medium.com/@MrWeeble/who-actually-trades-solely-under-wto-rules-1b6127ce33c6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creative Midfielder 2,001 Posted February 6, 2020 15 minutes ago, paul moy said: That was when many MPs thought it was either this rubbish WA or remain, and you know it. Rees Mogg voted for it also for that reason. Absolute nonsense that you've just made up, remain was never an option other than for a handful of MPs and certainly never in the minds of the liar or Rees Smug. And if the liar (or you) thought that TM's WA was so rubbish, why did the liar revert back to an earlier version which was even worse, so bad in fact that 'no British PM could ever accept it'. More ill-informed nonsense from Paul Moy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites