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2 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

WTO is always an option whilst negotiating with the EU 

Hey Swindo, What is the biggest economy that does not have any Free Trade agreements other than membership in the WTO?

We will not only have a WTO that's only with the EU We will have free trade with the rest of the world 😉

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2 hours ago, PurpleCanary said:

If, as you now keep saying, you wanted all along to trade via the WTO (not true, of course - you said we would keep all our access to the single market) and the UK ends up in the best of all possible worlds, trading via the WTO, then why would you want to give that paradise up to do some sub-standard deal with the EU?

If the EU wants to keep access to our market it will reciprocate.

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2 hours ago, Herman said:

It just means that we failed at negotiations and are leaving with nothing. 

No Deal is better than a Bad Deal and the EU seem determined to give a Bad Deal, so no other option.   I'm happy with that and so will the 17.4m  be. 

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38 minutes ago, Hoola Han Solo said:

So we got back control but are now just going to cede it to whoever will jump into bed with us, as we desperately shop around for deals. Other nations have the bargaining power over us. You and other jingoistic racists like @paul moy have put us right in the s hit. 👍🏻

He's back...... NURSE !!!!!!!    he's remoaning....... 

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7 minutes ago, paul moy said:

No Deal is better than a Bad Deal and the EU seem determined to give a Bad Deal, so no other option.   I'm happy with that and so will the 17.4m  be. 

The EU have already offered zero tariffs and zero quotas, so Boris would look like an even bigger idiot if he crashed out under WTO terms.

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5 minutes ago, Icecream Snow said:

The EU have already offered zero tariffs and zero quotas, so Boris would look like an even bigger idiot if he crashed out under WTO terms.

No, he will be PM for as long as he likes if he sticks it up the EU.   He's the only true leader that we've had since Thatcher and he's got them on the run.   Keep it up Boris !!!!!!

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6 minutes ago, Icecream Snow said:

The EU have already offered zero tariffs and zero quotas, so Boris would look like an even bigger idiot if he crashed out under WTO terms.

If that's so negotiations should go at a breeze, unless they attach stings to it.

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1 minute ago, SwindonCanary said:

If that's so negotiations should go at a breeze, unless they attach stings to it.

Stings, strings, more or less the same undesirable things.

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21 hours ago, BigFish said:

Another humdinger, the UK doesn't have a PDO system. Only the EU does. So there is nothing for the EU to recognise and even if they did no regulations to govern it.

Which  is why I said it will all be included in the FTA.

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7 hours ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

A good trade deal is dependent on the electorate of another country?

That's not taking back control😡

It's dependent on our having friends in the White House. That's politics.

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21 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

If that's so negotiations should go at a breeze, unless they attach stings to it.

In return they want access to UK fishing and Moy to shut up.

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1 hour ago, BigFish said:

Hey Swindo, What is the biggest economy that does not have any Free Trade agreements other than membership in the WTO?

So while Googling, I came across the WTO website which, it turns out, has a database of trade-agreements that member countries have notified them of. Unfortunately you can’t run arbitrary queries on the database, but luckily the countries were all referred to by their ISO-3166 numeric codes, therefore, if I took a list of countries, I could downloaded each one and read the list of agreements. For this I use the BeautifulSoup library and inserted the data into some simple Django models I created. I have uploaded the source code to GitHub in case anybody wants to play around with it.

The Results

Once I had the data, I could write a query to return all the countries that lacked any agreements. Upon running it, I found that many of the returned countries weren’t actually countries at all, but dependent territories like Bermuda and Puerto Rico. I therefore manually removed these. I was then left with this list:

Holy See

Mauritania

Monaco

Montenegro

Palau

Timor-Leste

Sao Tome and Principe

Serbia

Somalia

South Sudan

Sudan

Western Sahara

However again, I knew this wasn’t right Serbia and Montenegro are both members of CEFTA, so I investigated further. It turns out that neither are a member of WTO, which is why they have not notified the WTO of their agreements. So I then compared this list with a list of WTO members and removed any that were not members.

The next step would have been to order these by GDP, but that turned out to be unnecessary, as there is only one country in the world that trades only under WTO rules. That country:

MAURITANIA

For those of you not familiar with Mauritania, it’s GDP is $4,714million (0.2% of the UK’s), 50% of its exports consist of Iron Ore, and between 1% and 17% of the population still live in slavery.

It appears that this is the country that Leave.UK wish to emulate. I am afraid that this is not a vision for Britain’s future that I can share.

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https://medium.com/@MrWeeble/who-actually-trades-solely-under-wto-rules-1b6127ce33c6

 

Why don't you run your model again, this time asking it which countries trade on some WTO rules?

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2 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

I believe Boris will in the end agree on limited fishing rights

He will give in on most things and proclaim that he has won a great victory.  All the rhetoric from both sides at the moment is designed to enable both to claim credit for a negotiated deal and a coming together at the last minute.

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1 minute ago, Van wink said:

He will give in on most things and proclaim that he has won a great victory.  All the rhetoric from both sides at the moment is designed to enable both to claim credit for a negotiated deal and a coming together at the last minute.

that's what nigotations are all about, some give and some take. Our only worry is the EU don't see it like that.

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4 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Why don't you run your model again, this time asking it which countries trade on some WTO rules?

It looks like Remainiacs need reminding of the facts again, RtB -- Not that they take any notice -- Facts are like Kryptonite to a Lefty.

 

‘Brexit Britain is servicing the World’ - latest official figures are revealed

Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab touches down in Australia, boosting trade talks

Australia buys 46% more of UK services exports than the average EU country

 

raab_skippy_060220.jpg

Exclusive analysis and summary from Brexit Facts4EU.Org

Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab will arrive in Canberra today (6 February) as part of a four-country visit to the Asia-Pacific region. Trade between the UK and Australia was worth £18.3billion in 2019. The Foreign Secretary will discuss “trade and investment opportunities and the potential for an early free trade deal”.

UK exports of services go global, while most EU countries buy little from us

Brexit Facts4EU.Org Summary

The UK has an advanced economy, 80% of which is based on services.

In the last 12 month period, the UK exported £317 billion pounds’ worth of services globally.

Yet only 39.8% of this massive UK export effort was bought by the EU27 countries.

47 years of EU membership did little for UK goods OR services

Most people are aware that the majority of the UK’s exports of goods are sold outside the EU, despite what Remainers wanted everyone to believe for the last four years. Many people are now aware that the EU countries are doing very well out of selling their goods to the UK – and that the EU has been doing so for decades.

The EU’s goods surplus is currently running at almost £100 billion per year. This is the difference between what the UK sells to the EU and what they sell us – broadly what you might call the EU27’s ‘annual profit’ from its goods trade with the UK.

What is not generally known is that the UK’s services companies – representing 80% of the UK economy – are even less reliant on EU sales than their UK counterparts who sell goods.

Busting the myth that the UK's services sales to the EU are balancing out the EU's goods sales to the UK

In the last four years, whenever the EU’s massive surplus in its goods trade with the UK was brought up, a common argument from Remainers was “Ah, but the EU countries buy far more of our services.” Sadly this claim was almost never rebutted by the major news or Leave organisations.

The UK’s surplus in exports of services does not come remotely close to outweighing the EU’s massive surplus in its exports of goods to the UK.

Today we bring readers our latest update on an area which will be important when negotiations finally start next month. (Assuming that the EU have their agreed positions in place by then, which is still not the case despite having had over three years to prepare.)

 

Brexit Facts4EU.Org Summary

80% of the UK economy is services – How much do EU countries buy?

Latest official UK figures for exports of services, the year to end-Sept 2019

  • The EU27 bought only 39.8% of the UK’s exports of services
  • The Rest of the World bought 60.2%
  • The fastest-growing customer is the USA

 

uk_services_exports_050220.jpg

  • Top customer: USA bought £76.3bn - 24.1% of total services exports
  • Highest-placed EU country: Germany, which bought just 6.7%
  • Average UK services exports to EU27 countries: £4.7bn
  • On the other side of the World, Australia bought £6.8bn - 46% more than the EU average

 

uk_services_exports_050220_2.jpg

[Source data : Office for National Statistics. Latest data, to end Sept 2019.]

The EU’s attitude to the largest part of the UK economy – the services sector

Once again we must remind Remainer politicians – and even the big name Leave organisations who failed to rebut them - that the Single Market never worked for services, by the admission of the EU Commission itself.

“The Single Market – this jewel that is all too often taken for granted –
does not function properly for services

- Elżbieta Bieńkowska, EU Commissioner for the Single Market, 2017

 

Observations

 

For the past four years Remainers have been telling us that the biggest market in the world is on our doorstep. Putting aside the fact that this was always simply untrue (the USA is the biggest), why haven’t “our friends and neighbours” in the EU been topping the tables when we look at our top customers?

This is as true in services as it is in manufacturing.

The average EU country bought just £4.7bn of services from the UK in the 12 months to 30 Sept 2019. The USA bought over 16 times as much. Japan bought 66% more than the EU27 average. Australia – on the other side of the planet – bought 46% more.

These are basic economic facts. They cannot be wished away by Remainers/Rejoiners, nor by Michel Barnier and his cohorts of extremist, ideological technocrats in the EU Commission.

A big spin-off Brexit benefit

We have long argued that there will be a huge spin-off benefit from Brexit. This benefit will come about because of a renewed confidence in the country which will be reflected in the minds of the UK’s business leaders and entrepreneurs.

We forecast that this will lead to a return to an internationally-minded business attitude, resulting in more and more UK businesses looking to expand globally.

As ever, members of the Brexit Facts4EU.Org team stand ready to assist the Government in any endeavours to negotiate with the EU and to grow the UK’s business internationally.

 

[ Sources: Office for National Statistics - latest quarterly figures | EU Commission ] Politicians and journalists can contact us for details, as ever.

Brexit Facts4EU.Org, 06 Feb 2020

 

 

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5 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

that's what nigotations are all about, some give and some take. Our only worry is the EU don't see it like that.

Based on his negotiation last time Johnson will be giving and The EU will be taking.

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19 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

Based on his negotiation last time Johnson will be giving and The EU will be taking.

When he's caved on trade, maybe Boris can come over here to negotiate to buy my house.... I have a GREAAT deal for him 🙂

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54 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Which  is why I said it will all be included in the FTA.

Even if I try I can't disagree with that 😀

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38 minutes ago, Jools said:

It looks like Remainiacs need reminding of the facts again, RtB -- Not that they take any notice -- Facts are like Kryptonite to a Lefty.

 

‘Brexit Britain is servicing the World’ - latest official figures are revealed

Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab touches down in Australia, boosting trade talks

Australia buys 46% more of UK services exports than the average EU country

 

raab_skippy_060220.jpg

Exclusive analysis and summary from Brexit Facts4EU.Org

Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab will arrive in Canberra today (6 February) as part of a four-country visit to the Asia-Pacific region. Trade between the UK and Australia was worth £18.3billion in 2019. The Foreign Secretary will discuss “trade and investment opportunities and the potential for an early free trade deal”.

UK exports of services go global, while most EU countries buy little from us

Brexit Facts4EU.Org Summary

The UK has an advanced economy, 80% of which is based on services.

In the last 12 month period, the UK exported £317 billion pounds’ worth of services globally.

Yet only 39.8% of this massive UK export effort was bought by the EU27 countries.

47 years of EU membership did little for UK goods OR services

Most people are aware that the majority of the UK’s exports of goods are sold outside the EU, despite what Remainers wanted everyone to believe for the last four years. Many people are now aware that the EU countries are doing very well out of selling their goods to the UK – and that the EU has been doing so for decades.

The EU’s goods surplus is currently running at almost £100 billion per year. This is the difference between what the UK sells to the EU and what they sell us – broadly what you might call the EU27’s ‘annual profit’ from its goods trade with the UK.

What is not generally known is that the UK’s services companies – representing 80% of the UK economy – are even less reliant on EU sales than their UK counterparts who sell goods.

Busting the myth that the UK's services sales to the EU are balancing out the EU's goods sales to the UK

In the last four years, whenever the EU’s massive surplus in its goods trade with the UK was brought up, a common argument from Remainers was “Ah, but the EU countries buy far more of our services.” Sadly this claim was almost never rebutted by the major news or Leave organisations.

The UK’s surplus in exports of services does not come remotely close to outweighing the EU’s massive surplus in its exports of goods to the UK.

Today we bring readers our latest update on an area which will be important when negotiations finally start next month. (Assuming that the EU have their agreed positions in place by then, which is still not the case despite having had over three years to prepare.)

 

Brexit Facts4EU.Org Summary

80% of the UK economy is services – How much do EU countries buy?

Latest official UK figures for exports of services, the year to end-Sept 2019

  • The EU27 bought only 39.8% of the UK’s exports of services
  • The Rest of the World bought 60.2%
  • The fastest-growing customer is the USA

 

uk_services_exports_050220.jpg

  • Top customer: USA bought £76.3bn - 24.1% of total services exports
  • Highest-placed EU country: Germany, which bought just 6.7%
  • Average UK services exports to EU27 countries: £4.7bn
  • On the other side of the World, Australia bought £6.8bn - 46% more than the EU average

 

uk_services_exports_050220_2.jpg

[Source data : Office for National Statistics. Latest data, to end Sept 2019.]

The EU’s attitude to the largest part of the UK economy – the services sector

Once again we must remind Remainer politicians – and even the big name Leave organisations who failed to rebut them - that the Single Market never worked for services, by the admission of the EU Commission itself.

“The Single Market – this jewel that is all too often taken for granted –
does not function properly for services

- Elżbieta Bieńkowska, EU Commissioner for the Single Market, 2017

 

Observations

 

For the past four years Remainers have been telling us that the biggest market in the world is on our doorstep. Putting aside the fact that this was always simply untrue (the USA is the biggest), why haven’t “our friends and neighbours” in the EU been topping the tables when we look at our top customers?

This is as true in services as it is in manufacturing.

The average EU country bought just £4.7bn of services from the UK in the 12 months to 30 Sept 2019. The USA bought over 16 times as much. Japan bought 66% more than the EU27 average. Australia – on the other side of the planet – bought 46% more.

These are basic economic facts. They cannot be wished away by Remainers/Rejoiners, nor by Michel Barnier and his cohorts of extremist, ideological technocrats in the EU Commission.

A big spin-off Brexit benefit

We have long argued that there will be a huge spin-off benefit from Brexit. This benefit will come about because of a renewed confidence in the country which will be reflected in the minds of the UK’s business leaders and entrepreneurs.

We forecast that this will lead to a return to an internationally-minded business attitude, resulting in more and more UK businesses looking to expand globally.

As ever, members of the Brexit Facts4EU.Org team stand ready to assist the Government in any endeavours to negotiate with the EU and to grow the UK’s business internationally.

 

[ Sources: Office for National Statistics - latest quarterly figures | EU Commission ] Politicians and journalists can contact us for details, as ever.

Brexit Facts4EU.Org, 06 Feb 2020

 

 

Can someone please donate to them so they can sort their website out? 

Looks like something that was made in a 90s IT classroom 

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38 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

Based on his negotiation last time Johnson will be giving and The EU will be taking.

Are you talking about the leave negotiations ? If so, I've already said he got te best deal he could. Now he's even stronger and will get a lot better deal.

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Just now, SwindonCanary said:

Are you talking about the leave negotiations ? If so, I've already said he got te best deal he could. Now he's even stronger and will get a lot better deal.

He got a worse deal than Theresa May. That's how **** he is. 

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A lot of noise from our Brexity friends at the moment considering that the negotiations don't start until March and the UK government haven't yet published what the UK negotiating position is. Swindo & Moyo seem to have some inside track on what it will be, could they be Raab is disguise?

 

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1 minute ago, BigFish said:

2017 Swindo, you really are a **** head

It a good job I could not read that so I'll go for smart ! Thank you 😁

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11 minutes ago, BigFish said:

A lot of noise from our Brexity friends at the moment considering that the negotiations don't start until March and the UK government haven't yet published what the UK negotiating position is. Swindo & Moyo seem to have some inside track on what it will be, could they be Raab is disguise?

 

It's like the staring window at an old folks home today. 

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