Football matches an easy target?

[ellis206 0]

[quote user="Bor"]The only identified gunman so far is a French national, but don''t let the facts get in the way of bigotry.[/quote]It has also been confirmed as fact that one of them came through Greece last week disguised as a refugee.But don''t let facts get in the way of you being an apologist. 

[ellis206 0]

[quote user="A Load of Squit"][quote user="ellis206"]What happened in Paris was inevitable and it will happen in England soon as well. As I said earlier in the post, the people hastagging #refugeeswelcome and taking a big banner to Carrow Road etc now have blood on their hands. There was absolutely no screening or security process being followed, allowing god knows how many terrorists to come in to Europe, given 90% of the "refugees" were young men of my age, it doesn''t take a genius to work out what SOME of their intentions were. The political correctness brigade used to make me roll my eyes and laugh, now they could get me killed. That''s the harsh reality of it. [/quote]If we are to accept you premise then anyone who uses any facility that a terrorist exploits for their gain will have blood on their hands, that would be all of us who use this message board as the internet is one of their major tools. Looks like we could all get each other killed.Do you want to stop anything that a terrorist may expoit? It''s going to be a very big list.

[/quote]I know what you are saying but to open them in to your country with open arms is suicide. Would you invite a murderer to sleep in your house with you and your family? This is essentially what''s happened.

[Katie Borkins 1]

Two of the Paris gunmen ''were from Brussels''

Two of the attackers involved in the Paris atrocity came from Brussels, reports Belgian public broadcaster RTBF.

A police source told RTBF that two of the attackers in Paris on Friday night were from Brussels and one of its districts, Molenbeek-Saint-Jean, respectively.

So that''s three gunmen identified partially or fully now - one from Paris, two from Brussels.

There is the Syrian passport found at the scene but no confirmation on this yet.

Blaming refugees for this attack is misguided and blinkered.  There are problems with radicalised Muslims across western society and blaming refugees doesn''t help tackle the enemy within... remember July 7th 2005?

Thank goodness we''re an island.

[ellis206 0]

[quote user="mrs miggins"]''the harsh reality of the situation''

Don''t say something incredibly stupid and then claim it as reality. Political correctness is not going to kill you, in fact it might teach you a few things.

There is no doubt that some terrorists will have gone through borders as ''refugees'' but don''t blame the attacks on the people accepting refugees into their country, blame it on the terrorists -(state the obvious I know).[/quote]Political correctness has already killed dozens perhaps hundreds of people in Paris, with one confirmed as being a "refugee" and it''s now being reported they think another one of the killers was as well. I''m all for accepting genuine refugees in to our country, the ones that we are taking from Lebanon and Jordan, the ones who are in Calais atm are economic migrants, a vast majority not even having come from a war zone.You don''t see the Germans welcoming the "refugees" anymore at their airports, some of their towns have been turned in to warzones.

[ellis206 0]

[quote user="Bor"]

Two of the Paris gunmen ''were from Brussels''

Two of the attackers involved in the Paris atrocity came from Brussels, reports Belgian public broadcaster RTBF.

A police source told RTBF that two of the attackers in Paris on Friday night were from Brussels and one of its districts, Molenbeek-Saint-Jean, respectively.

So that''s three gunmen identified partially or fully now - one from Paris, two from Brussels.

There is the Syrian passport found at the scene but no confirmation on this yet.

Blaming refugees for this attack is misguided and blinkered.  There are problems with radicalised Muslims across western society and blaming refugees doesn''t help tackle the enemy within... remember July 7th 2005?

Thank goodness we''re an island.

[/quote]It''s not blinkered or misguided, we don''t know who is coming in to Europe and what attrocities they will commit in the future. Why is there a problem with radical muslims across Western society? Because as soon as you speak up you get called an islamaphobe or racist or bigot etc, which is why I said political correctness can now kill you. We''ve even had a police force cover up child explotation and rape for the fear of being called racist.And why are you thankful we''re an island? If any european country grants them asylum they can just stroll in to our country.

[ricardo 7,397]

[quote user="Bor"]

Blaming refugees for this attack is misguided and blinkered.  There are problems with radicalised Muslims across western society and blaming refugees doesn''t help tackle the enemy within... remember July 7th 2005?

Thank goodness we''re an island.

[/quote]This may well be true but allowing unfettered access through your borders is an open invitation to have your hospitality abused. Does anybody really believe that ISIS haven''t taken advantage of this regrettable laps in security?

[Herman 9,820]

[quote user="ellis206"][quote user="mrs miggins"]''the harsh reality of the situation''

Don''t say something incredibly stupid and then claim it as reality. Political correctness is not going to kill you, in fact it might teach you a few things.

There is no doubt that some terrorists will have gone through borders as ''refugees'' but don''t blame the attacks on the people accepting refugees into their country, blame it on the terrorists -(state the obvious I know).[/quote]Political correctness has already killed dozens perhaps hundreds of people in Paris, with one confirmed as being a "refugee" and it''s now being reported they think another one of the killers was as well. I''m all for accepting genuine refugees in to our country, the ones that we are taking from Lebanon and Jordan, the ones who are in Calais atm are economic migrants, a vast majority not even having come from a war zone.You don''t see the Germans welcoming the "refugees" anymore at their airports, some of their towns have been turned in to warzones.[/quote]Has it? Are you sure it''s not the other, more obvious reasons?

[A Load of Squit 5,215]

[quote user="ellis206"][quote user="A Load of Squit"][quote user="ellis206"]What happened in Paris was inevitable and it will happen in England soon as well. As I said earlier in the post, the people hastagging #refugeeswelcome and taking a big banner to Carrow Road etc now have blood on their hands. There was absolutely no screening or security process being followed, allowing god knows how many terrorists to come in to Europe, given 90% of the "refugees" were young men of my age, it doesn''t take a genius to work out what SOME of their intentions were. The political correctness brigade used to make me roll my eyes and laugh, now they could get me killed. That''s the harsh reality of it. [/quote]If we are to accept you premise then anyone who uses any facility that a terrorist exploits for their gain will have blood on their hands, that would be all of us who use this message board as the internet is one of their major tools. Looks like we could all get each other killed.Do you want to stop anything that a terrorist may expoit? It''s going to be a very big list.

[/quote]I know what you are saying but to open them in to your country with open arms is suicide. Would you invite a murderer to sleep in your house with you and your family? This is essentially what''s happened. [/quote]

Only if you think that ''them'' are all terrorists and they''re not.No.And no it''s not.

[Katie Borkins 1]

[quote user="ricardo"][quote user="Bor"]

Blaming refugees for this attack is misguided and blinkered.  There are problems with radicalised Muslims across western society and blaming refugees doesn''t help tackle the enemy within... remember July 7th 2005?

Thank goodness we''re an island.

[/quote]This may well be true but allowing unfettered access through your borders is an open invitation to have your hospitality abused. Does anybody really believe that ISIS haven''t taken advantage of this regrettable laps in security?[/quote]

I''m sure a few of them have.  Unfortunately that is the price we pay for standing up for freedom, compassion and believing that humans are essentially, and on the whole, decent people who just want to get on.

The alternative is you shrug, say "nothing to do with me", and leave them to it.  Which, regardless of the reasons why Syria and Iraq find themselves in the state they are in, doesn''t feel like a world I want to live in.

[Katie Borkins 1]

[quote user="ellis206"][quote user="Bor"]The only identified gunman so far is a French national, but don''t let the facts get in the way of bigotry.[/quote]It has also been confirmed as fact that one of them came through Greece last week disguised as a refugee.But don''t let facts get in the way of you being an apologist.  [/quote]

There is no evidence yet linking the Syrian passport found to one of the gunmen, though it''s pretty likely evidence will turn up or it''s a massive coincidence.

So, that''s one from France, two from Belgium, one possibly from Syria - and another one from France who the police are chasing.  See below. Doesn''t really stack up as "all the refugees fault", does it?

Police are still hunting one man involved in Friday night’s attacks, French media report.

Citing police sources, BFM TV said a French national who rented a Volkswagen Polo seen outside the Bataclan concert hall where 89 people died was “not among the seven dead attackers or the men arrested so far in Belgium”

[Katie Borkins 1]

In other news...

In a strange twist, a man arrested in Germany two weeks ago with explosives and Kalashnikovs in his car has told police he was on his way to Paris “to see the Eiffel tower” – but refused to discuss Friday’s terrorist attacks.

The 51-year-old man, from Montenegro, was arrested during a routine stop on a motorway in Bavaria.

But police are now trying to establish whether there is a connection to the Paris attacks, according to Agence France-Press (AFP). A spokesman for police in southern Bavaria said:

We want to talk [about the Paris attacks] with him but he doesn’t want to talk. Not about this subject in any case.

AFP reports that an address in Paris was found on a written note in the car as well as in his satnav system, along with eight assault rifles, three handguns and explosives, according to a police statement:

The suspect said he “wanted to see the Eiffel tower in Paris, and then return home” and had “no knowledge (of the presence) of arms and explosives” in his vehicle.

Tough gig for a defence lawyer, that one.

[Katie Borkins 1]

[quote user="ellis206"]Political correctness has already killed dozens perhaps hundreds of people in Paris[/quote]

This is possibly the most stupid sentence ever written on this message board - and my goodness you have some stiff competition.

Delete your account, then delete your computer and then delete all the hate from your brain.

[ellis206 0]

[quote user="Bor"][quote user="ellis206"]Political correctness has already killed dozens perhaps hundreds of people in Paris[/quote]

This is possibly the most stupid sentence ever written on this message board - and my goodness you have some stiff competition.

Delete your account, then delete your computer and then delete all the hate from your brain.

[/quote]Oh my apologies, I must have dreamt the bit about people holding up banners welcoming refugees in to Europe and one of said refugees blowing themselves up outside a packed football stadium killing dozens of people. I have no hate in my brain, just common sense, are you denying there is a problem within Islam?

[ricardo 7,397]

[quote user="Bor"][quote user="ricardo"][quote user="Bor"]

Blaming refugees for this attack is misguided and blinkered.  There are problems with radicalised Muslims across western society and blaming refugees doesn''t help tackle the enemy within... remember July 7th 2005?

Thank goodness we''re an island.

[/quote]This may well be true but allowing unfettered access through your borders is an open invitation to have your hospitality abused. Does anybody really believe that ISIS haven''t taken advantage of this regrettable laps in security?[/quote]

I''m sure a few of them have.  Unfortunately that is the price we pay for standing up for freedom, compassion and believing that humans are essentially, and on the whole, decent people who just want to get on.

The alternative is you shrug, say "nothing to do with me", and leave them to it.  Which, regardless of the reasons why Syria and Iraq find themselves in the state they are in, doesn''t feel like a world I want to live in.

[/quote]That sounds all very nice and civilized when you are talking to reasonable people who are open to logical persuasion but this isn''t the case. What do you think will happen to our nice liberal western values, freedom of speech and thought if this nihilistic death cult ever held sway? The extreme end of Islam interprets a book that gives them carte blanche to enslave and abuse non believers and even slaughter them like cattle. A civilization that loses the will to defend its values is headed for the dustbin of history.

[ellis206 0]

[quote user="ricardo"][quote user="Bor"][quote user="ricardo"][quote user="Bor"]

Blaming refugees for this attack is misguided and blinkered.  There are problems with radicalised Muslims across western society and blaming refugees doesn''t help tackle the enemy within... remember July 7th 2005?

Thank goodness we''re an island.

[/quote]This may well be true but allowing unfettered access through your borders is an open invitation to have your hospitality abused. Does anybody really believe that ISIS haven''t taken advantage of this regrettable laps in security?[/quote]

I''m sure a few of them have.  Unfortunately that is the price we pay for standing up for freedom, compassion and believing that humans are essentially, and on the whole, decent people who just want to get on.

The alternative is you shrug, say "nothing to do with me", and leave them to it.  Which, regardless of the reasons why Syria and Iraq find themselves in the state they are in, doesn''t feel like a world I want to live in.

[/quote]That sounds all very nice and civilized when you are talking to reasonable people who are open to logical persuasion but this isn''t the case. What do you think will happen to our nice liberal western values, freedom of speech and thought if this nihilistic death cult ever held sway? The extreme end of Islam interprets a book that gives them carte blanche to enslave and abuse non believers and even slaughter them like cattle. A civilization that loses the will to defend its values is headed for the dustbin of history.[/quote]Uh oh, prepare to be called a bigot for speaking the truth. We''ve already started to lose our values, too many people willing to keep their heads buried in the sand in the name of political correctness.

[T 190]

I was out drinking with a Muslim immigrant on Friday night. They were the first to tell me the news. I appreciate that some people who were brought up in another time or have a low intelligence, are poorly brought up or are poorly educated may find it difficult to grasp and are scared of different people but ignorant hatred will only contribute to the problem not solve it. Judge the person not their race or religion.

[mrs miggins 0]

The fact that you keep blaming this on political correctness makes me think that you support UKIP perhaps?

[ricardo 7,397]

[quote user="T"]I was out drinking with a Muslim immigrant on Friday night. They were the first to tell me the news. I appreciate that some people who were brought up in another time or have a low intelligence, are poorly brought up or are poorly educated may find it difficult to grasp and are scared of different people but ignorant hatred will only contribute to the problem not solve it. Judge the person not their race or religion.[/quote]Excuse me Mr T if I find it difficult not to judge people who in following their creed see non believers as less than worthless and think nothing of cold blooded murder, rape and beheadings as an appropriate fate encouraged by their religious teachings.We judge them by their actions Mr T.

[mrs miggins 0]

(in response to ellis of course)

Claiming that political correctness is the problem as well as proclaiming that they have common sense is the usual trait I''ve noticed.

[mrs miggins 0]

I think that was his point Ricardo. Judge individuals on their actions and personality/who they are, not on the religious views.

[ricardo 7,397]

[quote user="mrs miggins"]I think that was his point Ricardo. Judge individuals on their actions and personality/who they are, not on the religious views.[/quote]Unfortunately Miggo, you need to be somewhat concerned if that individual follows a religion that promotes the murder of Homosexuals and women adulterers in the most barbaric way and issues fatwahs to kill apostates, atheists and anyone who insults their prophet. I expect I would have a problem with calling this person my friend.

[mrs miggins 0]

and do you think all muslims think this?

[Feedthewolf 4,871]

[quote user="ricardo"][quote user="mrs miggins"]I think that was his

point Ricardo. Judge individuals on their actions and personality/who

they are, not on the religious views.[/quote]Unfortunately

Miggo, you need to be somewhat concerned if that individual follows a

religion that promotes the murder of Homosexuals and women adulterers in

the most barbaric way and issues fatwahs to kill apostates, atheists

and anyone who insults their prophet. I expect I would have a problem

with calling this person my friend.[/quote]Hang on, Ricardo. As

with any religious text, the Koran can be interpreted in many different

ways. The vast majority of modern Muslims ascribe to a much more liberal

interpretation of the Koran that poses absolutely no threat. Telling

people that what happened in Paris ''is what Islam promotes'' is dangerous

misinformation.

[ricardo 7,397]

Being an atheist myself, I sincerely hope not.

[mrs miggins 0]

you hope not, but do you think they all have this view?

[mrs miggins 0]

For example, do you think there aren''t any gay muslims?

[ricardo 7,397]

Opinion polls would suggest that a very unhealthy proportion do indeed hold these views. Try drawing a cartoon of Mohammed and tell me how it goes.

[ricardo 7,397]

Hope to speak to you later, now it''s grand prix time.

[T 190]

Ricardo are you seriously suggesting that I should not socialise with someone who is as good as anyone you could ever wish to meet and whose attitudes are far more decent than some on here just because of their race or religion? Do you seriously think that they or I in anyway condone such actions?

[Van wink 2,994]

Many do indeed hold these views Miggins, there are very many conservative Muslims who have a very strict interpretation of the Koran and detest what is seen as the immorality of western culture( maybe with some degree of justification). It is quite possible for these extreme views to move towards a desire to see Western civilisation replaced.