Football matches an easy target?

[Crabbycanary3 994]

ISIS don''t like the term Daesh though, It roughly translates as bacon eating/pot smoking/Quran disbelieving bikini wearers.............................................allegedly

[Herman 9,758]

[quote user="Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB"]My concern is that the politicians that voted for air strikes have made the mistake of being too simplistic of their view of daesh, who they seem to view as just yet another bunch of terrorists. I am hoping that alongside air strikes all elements of the alliance aare spending a lot of time, effort and resources on following the money and closing down their PR channels........[/quote]This.There is only so much our advanced weaponary can do without proper ''on the ground'' intelligence. What we should be able to do easier, with our expertise in the financial sector, is hunt down the funders, especially those that are inside the borders of our ''allies''. This has been mentioned a few times, brilliantly by Paddy Ashdown, but not enough by the government. I am hoping this is being done quietly in the background but my cynical side thinks we are not willing to upset some important (wealthy) world players.

[morty 0]

Herman, do you seriously think we are just ploughing in, tossing bombs all over the place and hoping for the best.

There has likely been people "on the ground" for some time now.

Britain is pretty good at this, the job has been handed to the Air Force, we need to sit back and let them get on with it. And I have no doubt that the financial and organisational structure is being attacked just as much as material assets.

People need to stop seeing conspiracy theories everywhere, this is simply about cutting the head off the terrorist organisation, that left alone would commit an atrocity in Britain, sooner or later. Surely after Paris no one can be in doubt of that.

[Rock The Boat 1,330]

For the benefit of T

The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim

The Beltway Snipers were Muslims

The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim

The underwear Bomber was a Muslim

The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims

The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims

The Bali Nightclub Bombers were Muslims

The London Subway Bombers were Muslims

The Moscow Threat Attackers were Muslims

The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims

The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims

The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims

The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims

The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims

The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims

The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims

The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims

The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims

The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims

The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims

The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims

The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims

The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims

The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims

The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims

Lesson 2(a)

Think of it:

Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem

Hindus living with Christians = No Problem

Hindus living with Jews = No Problem

Christians living with Shintos = No Problem

Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem

Confucians living with Baha''is = No Problem

Baha''is living with Jews = No Problem

Jews living with Atheists = No Problem

Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem

Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem

Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem

Hindus living with Baha''is = No Problem

Baha''is living with Christians = No Problem

Christians living with Jews = No Problem

Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem

Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem

Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem

Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem

Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem

Lesson 2(b)

Muslims living with Hindus = Problem

Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem

Muslims living with Christians = Problem

Muslims living with Jews = Problem

Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem

Muslims living with Baha''is = Problem

Muslims living with Shintos = Problem

Muslims living with Atheists = Problem

MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM

Lesson (3a)

**********SO THIS LEADS TO *****************

They''re not happy in Gaza

They''re not happy in Egypt

They''re not happy in Libya

They''re not happy in Morocco

They''re not happy in Iran

They''re not happy in Iraq

They''re not happy in Yemen

They''re not happy in Afghanistan

They''re not happy in Pakistan

They''re not happy in Syria

They''re not happy in Lebanon

They''re not happy in Nigeria

They''re not happy in Kenya

They''re not happy in Sudan

Lesson 3(b)

******** So, where are they happy? **********

They''re happy in Australia

They''re happy in England

They''re happy in Belgium

They''re happy in France

They''re happy in Italy

They''re happy in Germany

They''re happy in Sweden

They''re happy in the USA & Canada

They''re happy in Norway & India

They''re happy in almost every country that is not Islamic! And who do they blame?

Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves, THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!!

And

they want to change the countries they''re happy in, to be like the

countries they came from where they were unhappy and finally they will

get hammered!

Lesson 4

Islamic Jihad: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

ISIS : AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Al-Qaeda: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Taliban: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Hamas: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Hezbollah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Boko Haram: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Al-Nusra: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Abu Sayyaf: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Al-Badr: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Muslim Brotherhood: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Lashkar-e-Taiba: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Palestine Liberation Front: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Ansaru: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Jemaah Islamiyah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

Abdullah Azzam Brigades: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

AND A LOT MORE!

ICM (Mirror) Poll 2015: 1.5 Million British Muslims support the

Islamic State, about half the total population.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/u...

BBC Radio (2015): 45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent "mainstream Islam".

http://comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-...

Poll of Saudis in August 2014 shows 92% agree that Islamic State (ISIS) "conforms to the values of Islam and Islamic law."

http://muslimstatistics.wordpr...

You missed one May 2015 poll by Al Jazeera 81 per cent of Arabic muslim support IS.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015...

And We just can’t figure out who''s causing the problem.

[93vintage 16]

[quote user="ricardo"]Personally I was in favour of staying out of it. He was no threat to us and if the different sects of Islam wanted to indulge in a civil war that was their business. The middle Eastern states do not seem to be good candidates for democracy and seem to be at a developmental stage where a strong dictator is the best option for keeping the peace. These regimes may be unpleasant to our sensibilities but at least were no existential threat to us.[/quote]The ''civil war'' was initiated by a colour revolution of much the same sort that has been used around the world in the last 50 years to effect regime change. A lot of the Syrians who took up arms against Assad went back to his side once they realised that they were leaving their country open to destruction.As has become clear recently, ISIS came to prominence after the color revolution in Libya. Unlike in Syria, it''s too late for those who took part in protests against Gadaffi''s government to turn back the clock, none of them at the time realised that they were being used.It''s also become clear that ISIS is being propped up via Turkey''s involvement in the trade in oil stolen by ISIS, something that the US, Britain and France must have been aware of at some level or other.With the above in mind I fail to see what the war against Syria has to do with Islam, democracy or "developmental stage", when it''s clearly the West that is behind the rise in ISIS as a means to try and topple yet another foreign government that it doesn''t like.No country is perfect, but all this talk of bloodthirsty dictators and repressive regimes applies more to western countries (or some of our friendly middle eastern allies) than it does to countries like Syria or Gadaffi''s Libya.There are many parties involved in the present situation, and a hell of a lot of propaganda which prevents people from seeing what the big picture is. Islam and the (racist) idea of middle easterners being uncivilized savages needing a strongman to keep order is just part of the propaganda, as is the ridiculous idea that Assad is responsible for the chaos.Ultimately these conflicts and the islamist terrorism are aimed at taking out Russia''s allies, the

toppling of the Russian government being the main objective.

[morty 0]

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[morty 0]

God damn it.

[Katie Borkins 1]

Rock the Boat: 355 mass shootings in the USA this year. Not all Muslims.

[Herman 9,758]

[quote user="morty"]Herman, do you seriously think we are just ploughing in, tossing bombs all over the place and hoping for the best.

There has likely been people "on the ground" for some time now.

Britain is pretty good at this, the job has been handed to the Air Force, we need to sit back and let them get on with it. And I have no doubt that the financial and organisational structure is being attacked just as much as material assets.

People need to stop seeing conspiracy theories everywhere, this is simply about cutting the head off the terrorist organisation, that left alone would commit an atrocity in Britain, sooner or later. Surely after Paris no one can be in doubt of that.[/quote]I haven''t said that have I? There are people on the ground in Iraq, no doubt, but I doubt we have anyone near Raqqa and their other cities, where they are well hidden. The Americans have been reported to be fying back to base fully laden, because of lack of targets.And the reason there are conspiracy theories everywhere is simply because people don''t trust the feckers in charge of this country. We were blatantly lied to about Iraq, a war which I backed because I didn''t think our government would lie over such an important matter.

[Rock The Boat 1,330]

Well Hiliary Benn totally nailed it, and I don''t imagine I would ever say that about a Labour politician, but he was totally right that this is a war against fascism and needs to be opposed.

It is a fascism worse than the Nazi party in Germany because as vile and despicable as that regime was they didn''t want to destroy every civilisation that existed.

The same thing cannot be said about Daesh. They wish to destroy everything that is not Daesh. Every man, woman and child. And doubt would find a reason to kill most animals, too. Eventually, the twisted logic of their basest argument would lead them to annihilate themselves in a self-prophetical Armageddon.

Yes, some innocents will die, just as thousands of innocent French people died from Allied bombs during the second world war, but for every hour that we delay, you can be sure that somewhere a Muslim woman is being killed for being a woman, a child is being forcibly mutilated, a homosexual is being thrown off a tall building or a man is being shot in the back of the head for having the same religion.

Thank goodness that the Labour Party has not yet been politically-cleansed of people such as Hiliary Benn.

[Rock The Boat 1,330]

[quote user="Bor"]Rock the Boat: 355 mass shootings in the USA this year. Not all Muslims.[/quote]

The US has a lot of deranged individuals with easy access to weapons . ISIS is a deranged state with easy access to weapons who want to kill all of us.

Seems like today''s US mass killing was a terrorist attack, though.

[Rock The Boat 1,330]

That is to say, Muslim terrorist attack.

[mrs miggins 0]

Was discussed on Question Time, will be on iplayer soon.

[TCCANARY 263]

You can keep up to date on how the missions are going here;

http://www.defense.gov/News

There''s a sections on "Coalition Strikes Target ISIL Terrorists in Syria, Iraq".

The UK isn''t listed in the countries taking part in raids in Syria but that''s probably just the Americans not catching up on the news yet.

[93vintage 16]

[quote user="morty"]Herman, do you seriously think we are just ploughing in, tossing bombs all over the place and hoping for the best.

There has likely been people "on the ground" for some time now.

Britain is pretty good at this, the job has been handed to the Air Force, we need to sit back and let them get on with it. And I have no doubt that the financial and organisational structure is being attacked just as much as material assets.

People need to stop seeing conspiracy theories everywhere, this is simply about cutting the head off the terrorist organisation, that left alone would commit an atrocity in Britain, sooner or later. Surely after Paris no one can be in doubt of that.[/quote]If the West was serious about "cutting the head off" ISIS then it would have done something about the convoys of ISIS oil tankers going into Turkey from Syria and Iraq, and ensured that Turkey closed off its borders. That this didn''t happen is strong evidence that the West was happy with what ISIS was doing.The Americans cited concern about civilian casualties as a reason not to bomb the oil convoys, but they didn''t deny that they were aware of them (they would have been clearly visible by satellite). When it suits them, the Americans have few qualms about bombing power stations, oil refineries, hospitals, television stations, water supply and power infrastructure etc, but it was only when Russia began their bombing campaign that these convoys were actually targeted.Consider also that there must be a chain of financial transactions by which oil goes one way and money (+weapons) goes another, leading back to whoever is financing or aiding ISIS. Note also that terrorists were virtually free to enter and exit Iraq and Syria via Turkey. All of this is further evidence that the Americans and Europeans were aware of what was happening.The truth is that because ISIS were targeting America''s enemies (namely Libya and Syria), America and its allies were happy to sit back and watch the chaos unfold. The media helped whip up hysteria about ISIS, but neglected to mention Putin''s initial revelation at the G20 conference about ISIS being funded by other G20 countries.If things don''t go to plan, as has been the case with Syria still ruled by Assad, then there''s a decent excuse to take direct military action if the truth about ISIS being indirectly, implicitly supported by the West can be hidden from the public.

[Mr Jenkins 0]

There are massive contradictions in our approach to this, as ever with our involvement in the Middle East. The roles of Turkey and Saudi in supporting ISIS in various ways is being conveniently overlooked, will be interesting to see how the west deals with the further revelations about Turkey''s involvement, which are surely to come from the Russians.

Presumably we will stand by our "allie" and dismiss the Russian claims as propaganda, which of course some may be!

[morty 0]

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