Monty13

People are overreacting. If you are stupid enough to use an illegal fire stick or even just a website without a VPN is really easy to be identified and your ISP will just hand that data over when asked. Regardless the people in the article mentioned were running illegal schemes, not watching themselves. The police aren’t likely going to be raiding your home for watching a game despite the threats and the CPS is going to be uninterested in taking you to court I’d imagine.

What’s your point then I’m confused. You were complaining he can “walk for nothing” and that he’s “devoid of conscious”. As far as we know it may not be his decision.

Bit of an assumption, how do you know given our finances/his form of last 18 months we just don’t want to offer a new contact and would rather cash in on his remaining worth?

I wouldn’t read anything into this as relations thawing yet personally. Suspect the only reason Webber was there is because it would be a much bigger story if he wasn’t. It would be odd if he wasn’t introducing his new manager like the last two times.

Who is saying this? I’m not clear how this is what you are interpreting from people voicing concerns. Open communication has nothing to do with connecting with the people communicating and liking them personally. Just reads as a massive straw man.

Webber is very dismissive, I personally never believe anyone that insists so hard they don’t care about things 😂 The digs about what people write and opinions they hold don’t really chime with the not caring. Some pretty poor press questions to him though to be honest, not sure anything was learnt.

I think it’s a real shame. Clearly a talent, clearly also incredibly unreliable/fragile. What has caused the fractured nature of his career over the last two seasons Id love to know from his perspective, regardless it never looked like ever being repaired so probably best thing for all parties.

I expect we’ll find out more once he’s gone now.

If you listen to their podcasts both the Pinkun team and Bailey have been censured due to reporting things the club didn’t want them to. Both vehemently deny any breaches of privilege. I think it’s the club that got complacent personally.

I don’t think people are arguing directly against that Ricardo. The above is true in any business. You continue to have good quarters the shareholders will be happy as an analogy. That doesn’t mean any business can’t have long term structural issues that aren’t being addressed due to short term success. The club/Webber has 100% recognised this in some aspects with the investment in infrastructure and other long term investments. I personally think the club needs to look at its governance structure and elements of its PR in particular. They probably won’t. That’s a topic of debate IMO. However what I don’t understand is the mindset that it doesn’t matter. It only doesn’t matter if you don’t believe there is any issues which is a position people are entitled to, but not what I see them arguing.

Not what I was suggesting at all, never said they’d be happy. You said “if Wagner gets us playing well and moving up the table that's all that's required.” I’m pointing out that’s a poor way of looking at it. Just because the fans won’t care there are issues still if we are winning doesn’t mean they aren’t there.

Because there won’t always be good times as we have seen. Strength and clarity in the club’s overall structure and approach doesn’t matter when times are good you are right, however it comes under scrutiny when they aren’t. However well Wagner does, and I hope he’s very successful and I’m cautiously optimistic about the future, the underlying foundations of the club do matter. I’m all for concentrating on the future not the past, but to not learn lessons and make change in the non-football elements too is poor governance. Dean Smith is not 100% responsible for our current situation.

Yes there’s some, but there’s plenty of people who aren’t entrenched and are prepared to listen to what he says and judge his actions and results. The Sky interview was generally good I thought, not great (still some interesting choices), but much better thought out than some of his previous interviews. I think the OPs right though. It’s all very well talking about togetherness and sticking it on a wall (how very modern corporation), but actions speak louder. Perfect opportunity with a fresh start to repair some damaged bridges with Local press (and fans still too), only reason I see not to personally is ego. I don’t think he/club needs or warrants your defence of that personally. I see no value in the driving of a wedge between club and local media and it’s time someone at the club acknowledges that mistake and fixes it.

Not sure anyone laments him not being here now. I think all of us knew he’d be gone by this point. The issue is purely one of timing. I agree we need to find another way, to do that you need to learn from your mistakes.

Cautiously optimistic. Given his Championship history, the fact he was unemployed and he has close ties with Webber he seemed the obvious and IMO, given the constraints and names thrown about, the best option. I’d be shocked if he doesn’t get us a top 6 finish, which seems the best result right now. I do wonder with the football if people are in for a little shock. He’s German, he’s charismatic and his teams usually play 4231, but he’s not a Farke clone. As far as I’m aware he doesn’t favour the possession based approach Farke had. My main concern is I personally think Farke ultimately lost his job because he didn’t stand up to Webber, I don’t see Wagner addressing that.

I thought at announcement that midfield was going to be far too weak but Kenny absolutely bossed it and agree he deserved MoM. Honestly don’t understand the hate he gets, other than the occasional hospital pass I think he’s a consistent performer, not a star, but a very reliable CM at this level.

Of the two Wagner for me. Plays the style of football we want, has worked in this setup with DoF before, knows Webber, has improved players and has been promoted from this league with an average squad. Ok he failed to meet the bar in the last two roles (what out of work managers haven’t?) but sometimes all the things at the club need to be aligned for a manager to be a success and we have all the recipe ingredients he last had great success with.

Makes sense I suppose, 20 now, not knocking on door of first team and we need money so not surprised if a decent offer came in we took it. Assume and hope he has a big sell on and/or buyback clause though.

Unless 442 with Sargent on right, might be unlikely but think we played that in PL at one point?

I don’t think so, I thought he was very respectful, he simply said we shouldn’t fear them…which is true.

The day VAR truly died for me. Amazing goal overruled by a flawed, incompetent and corrupt system. Clear and obvious error in that picture…

I think Wagner would be a decent appointment. Ticks a lot of boxes - playing style, previous Championship success, works within the SD model, used to minimal transfer budget, currently out of work and previous relationship with Webber. However I can’t help thinking if it was him it’s both an admission we got the last 18 months so wrong and Webber not looking to gamble and instead stick with what he knows. That would actually make me respect him much more as I’d view Wagner as a bit of a humbling back to basics appointment for Webber.

Because people are putting lots of money on it

He’s beyond hinting I think, that was only one mention there’s a few in the article laying criticism at the door of higher ups, and essentially Webber without specifically saying so. Questioning recruitment, squad balance, choice of Smith, lack of backing Smith etc.

There wasn’t anywhere near enough good experienced players for that approach IMO, too many learning their trade to also be expected to know the solution already. Edit: Thought this bit was pretty barbed from Bailey, he doesn’t hold back anymore and I suppose why would he: “Since then, they (Smith and coaches) have become the punchbag. The focus of supporters’ angst and disconnect, even when others could be deemed more culpable or relevant.”