Yellow Rider

[quote user="Congo Canary"]Orwell drink''n, baby eat''n, sister sleep''n never to be forgiven Judas C***! I feel quite strongly about this[/quote] Wow - and we wonder why football fans sometimes have such a bed reputation!! I don''t particularly like Marshall for joining Ipswich but lets face it the club were also to blame for letting him run down his contract. Admittedly he was within his rights to do so but we should have brought matters to a head 12 months before and tried to sell him. To my knowledge Marshall has never bad mouthed us in favour of Ipswich so now that he no longer plays for them I have no issue with him at all. I still vividly recall his first full start for us in the New Years day match v Newcastle in ''95.  It was a truly blinding performance, I have never seen a more impressive full debut before or since. We should remember that (and other performances) rather than petty local rivalry now that the guy is set to move into a coaching role with youngsters. I wish him well although judging by most previous Marshall posts I''ll probably be the only one!     

[quote user="Thorny"]He can''t play on his right foot though. Until he puts in effort, he will be just an average champs player.[/quote] Rather have a one footed Wes who sets out to entertain and create than some ''up and down'' plodder. When was the last time you saw a certain ACole use his right foot? Wait a few weeks though and once again the Premier League obsessed media will be drooling and hyping about ....''the best full back in the world'' 

[quote user="shiplee15"][quote user="WeAreYellows49"] [quote user="Lunarcrash"]Does any other team get that many sales? It is quite impressive realy. [/quote]   Not sure to be fair, I do know the binners can''t sell that many ST''s lol [/quote] they struggle to get that many to go to a derby match let alone in season tickets[/quote] Er, they don''t actually. Old Farm attendances at Portman Road are usually 28,000+. Take off the 2,200 or whatever for us and that still leaves 25,000+ of their own fans. Sure the season ticket sales down there lag well behind ours but they do crawl out from their bins on Old Farm day it has to be said.  

In terms of footballing commentary (other than the pure Yellow bias of course) he was distinctly ''average'' - and that''s probably being kind to him! In terms of his devotion to the Canaries, Norwich and Norfolk he was without equal though. A lovely guy and a very sad loss to the community.

[quote user="morty"]I agree with you big nose. A lot of people see Spillane through yellow and green tinted glasses. If Spillane was the exciting prospect that some people make him out to be he would have featured more last season. I think he has to prove himself pretty soon or he''ll be out. [/quote] Er, have you forgotten that he missed several weeks (in fact ''months'') of the season with that nasty hamstring injury. At the time he had played a couple of games at right back and looked very solid and particularly impressive going forward. His goals v Orient was goal of the season for me. Had that injury not struck I think we all know that he would probably have gone on to nail down the place in his own right.   

[quote user="Harry"][quote user="Yellow Rider"] [quote user="CashCasinoCrane"]Wow! Surman! This is an absolutely great move by us. Very skilled on the ball and will hopefully be that creative and attacking type, playing on the left of the diamond and helping to drive us forward. I should think he''ll chip in with a few goals too, something we''ve sorely missed from our midfield (Although I''m a big fan, Hoolahan won''t score as many at Champ level). I don''t think he''d have cost us £1.2 Million, and I think the comment earlier about being owed money for Shackell could have some legs. To finalise: Good work! [/quote] Does seem a good signing but I wouldn''t want it to be at expense of Hoolahan - some have heard the supposedly dodgy rumour about him joining an ''unnamed Premiership Club''. Have to wait and see? Lets face it we have stacks of first team midfielders now, most of whom won''t get anywhere near a starting place. Sure we need cover as has been said before but  by my reckoning we now have ELEVEN!!! That won''t (and can''t last) - some will leave, just hope it''s not the best ones!    [/quote] Hoolahan doesn''t play at the left of the diamond.  [IMG]http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd347/barclayendchoir/confused0006.gif[/IMG] [/quote] Doesn''t mean he might not leave though if we need to get some cash back. Simple fact is that 11 into 4 doesn''t go and mystery investor or not many of those guys will soon get hacked off by not playing any football. I would say we need to offload two or three to get some sense of balance in the squad. Remember what PL said about the number of midfielders v right backs when he took over??

[quote user="grantroederdisaster"]Shows we mean business and that probably Russell is going! To many people have believed all this "WE''RE SKINT" rubbish for too long. we have more money than we make out and always have had. If one reads the A/C''s carefully you''ll see that half the debt is a long bank loan that is being paid each year. When Norwich go on about the debt, its like someone with a £100,000 mortgage saying they are £100,000 in debt! The recent Tom Jones concert debacle cost the club a lot of money, something a club on the brink wouldn''t be able to do![/quote] Can''t believe I''m reading this!! UNLESS we are being mysteriously funded from outside, the accounts speak for themslves - page 3 in particular says.......''to operate within ...existing finance facilities, additional funds of £2.9M will need to be generated to cover the deficit until May 2011''. OK that assumed Div. One budgeting but as we all know, Championship income is going to be very similar.  Yes - we took out a consolidated loan (''mortgage'' in your words) of £15M in 2003 and have been repaying that. BUT - whilst that has happened we have incurred year on year losses at a frightening rate which means TOTAL DEBT is £23M. I trust McNally not to be blind to these facts - unlike your goodself!

[quote user="CashCasinoCrane"]Wow! Surman! This is an absolutely great move by us. Very skilled on the ball and will hopefully be that creative and attacking type, playing on the left of the diamond and helping to drive us forward. I should think he''ll chip in with a few goals too, something we''ve sorely missed from our midfield (Although I''m a big fan, Hoolahan won''t score as many at Champ level). I don''t think he''d have cost us £1.2 Million, and I think the comment earlier about being owed money for Shackell could have some legs. To finalise: Good work! [/quote] Does seem a good signing but I wouldn''t want it to be at expense of Hoolahan - some have heard the supposedly dodgy rumour about him joining an ''unnamed Premiership Club''. Have to wait and see? Lets face it we have stacks of first team midfielders now, most of whom won''t get anywhere near a starting place. Sure we need cover as has been said before but  by my reckoning we now have ELEVEN!!! That won''t (and can''t last) - some will leave, just hope it''s not the best ones!   

One mistake on the list. Boro away is MONDAY January 3rd (not Tuesday) - the Monday is the New Year bank holiday.

[quote user="Brendo "] On a lighter note, here''s some of his great saves : [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7vO_aV53ks&feature=fvw[/url] 2:06 - splendid save! [/quote] Loads of blinding saves in that one - thanks. Just because he left us is no reason to start disparaging him as some appear to be doing. Brilliant shop stopper although he lacked command of his six yard box and often failed to stamp authority on crosses and through balls (when hesitation would ensue). Unconvinced he is the clear No. 1 for England - that may fall to Hart shortly but I hope Capello keeps faith as any keeper can be cruelly exposed by the sort of howler last Saturday.    

My Ips--- work colleagues have heard this rumour also. Mind you they reckon the geezer is on £8,500 per week so that kinda rules that one out, or may be not???????????????????   

I said at the time that there was no way we would be able to put in seats in front of the hotel (as many had speculated) due to police concerns at segregation etc. Not convinced about ''new rows'' at the front of existing stands as seems to be the case, I would think the view would be pretty naff!

[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="TIL 1010"][quote user="nutty nigel"] Just one post Tilly - Was wondering what Worthy ever did to get more abuse from fans than Hamilton, Grant, Roeder, Gunn and Doncaster combined. Where did all the hatred come from and why?     [/quote] Hatred is a very provocative word Nutty and as far as this messageboard is concerned most people have moved on in relation to the other people you have named but it you who does not turn the lights out and close the door on the Worthington reign.First it was a witch hunt and now hatred.Oh dear just get over it mate. [/quote] You''re determined to make me comment on this thread. It was hatred and you know it. But to keep you happy I''ll rephrase my point. I don''t understand why there wasn''t one single organised protest, sticker, march, web site or petition to get shot of Hamilton, Grant, Roeder, Gunn or Doncaster but we had them all to get shot of Worthy.   [/quote] Simple answer - in the cases you list those geezers (ND apart I agree) either quickly fell on their sword or were kicked out. Worthy clung on stubbornly in the face of rising criticism and appalling performances on the field. The whole saga should have been dealt with immediately after the Wolves game at the end of the 05/06 season but the board totally wimped out and Worthy staggered on for 6 more months. I totally acknowledge the success he brought us but the previous poster was right in that the boy Worthy did''nt have a clue about how to deal with the Premiership season. ''Rabbit in headlights'' springs to mind!

[quote user="matt crowhurst"]have to say i agree with the op, i was thoroughly pissed off today with team and the whole attitude. as was said Lambert wasnt into the game at all today and should have made subs a lot earlier and i couldnt understand why he would take oli off and put on a winger when 2 nil down and with cody on the bench. perhaps the weather played a part but i thought the whole day today inc the crowd and trophy presentation was a total let down [/quote] Spot on Matt although I thought the actual trophy presentation was ok considering the drabness of the previous 90 minutes! Quite why PL looked so disinterested today (compared to standard behaviour that is) did seem strange to me.  No wonder the second half was just as bad. Keeping Cody benched defied all logic. Never mind - the boy PL has sure worked miracles this season. Too many sherbets last night me thinks?  You''re right also about the accident near St. Stephens. I was on the bus and saw him being attended to and it didn''t look good. 

Very little on the board tonight about the actual match, I can only presume that like the players (and manager it seemed to me) most of you just trudged down to see the trophy lifted and to hell with what went on for the 90 minutes ''football'' (I use the term loosely you understand). Great to see the party atmosphere generated by the Barclay and all the flag waving all over the ground and the celebrations post match but lets face it the performance on the pitch was truly dire. A ''meaningless match'' I hear you say. Sorry - 25,000 fans paid damn good money to watch that and I,for one, felt distinctly shafted by the return I got for my money. Why was today so different from last week, surely that was ''meaningless'' as well then? Did''nt stop us putting in a performance and PL being at great pains to point out that we owed it to the fans not to take our foot off the gas.   From minute 1 to minute 90 today I thought we were really poor. I can take a defeat, after all in 30 years of watching NCFC I ''ve had plenty of experience of that. What I do expect especially from a Championship winning side is a proper professional attitude with every player giving their damn best for the fans who pay to come and watch. Most disturbing for me is that the malaise involved the manager and his assistant as well. I never once saw Culverhouse get up and get involved. As for PL he seemed worlds away from the fiery, kick every ball, ''up and at ''em'' behaviour he normally demonstrates on the touchline. So much so he spent a lot of the second half sitting down and you don''t see that very often!       You might expect a rank bad first 45 after the early goals but I did anticipate PL would get out the red hot pokers at half time, make some changes and we would mount a second half charge. What did we get? Nothing. Don''t get me wrong, the club have done fantastically well this season and we will remember it for a long, long time. Just a pity the whole 90 minutes today was so poor. Even the fans sat back and just seemed bored only coming to life in the last 10 minutes or so with sustained appeals for the boy Forster to sign on again.    

My head said Holt, my heart said Hooalhan. My heart won - Wes sets out to entertain and create - sure he can be frustrating (wasn''t Huckerby on many ocassions?) but for skill and creativity he was the only winner. No disrespect at all to the others but Wes is one of the few players I would WILLINGLY pay to go and watch. 

[quote user="Canariesworld"]No chance. I think he might struggle to get in our team in the championship next season so hes not going to get in a premiership team. OTBC[/quote] Joking aren''t you! Martin will be integral to the side next season. Lambert knows that and will be building the team around him, Holt and Hoolahan.

[quote user="morty"]She is a fine looking woman for her age, and I probably would, just to say I had. But I wouldn''t go as far as saying she is amazingly attractive. [:D] [/quote] Give Bryan Hamilton a ring - see how he got on!

[quote user="aka_riise"] Confirmed to me that these are to be constructed in front of the corner fill between jarrold, and barclay. Dates unknown but the plans to build are with the club to sign-off before being built. Seems as if they''re not temporary seats either.... Also, it''s 100''s not 1000''s which surprised me a little. [/quote] I''m surprised (and sceptical) about this! a) How can we afford it b) Can''t believe the old bill will allow it anyway being slap bang between Barclay contingent and the away fans!  

[quote user="ron obvious"][quote user="Yellow Rider"] I did''nt feel foolish then and I most certainly don''t now. Those of us who claimed the refund offer did so for a variety of reasons. Personally, I feel the majority (over 60% from memory) who took the refund sent a very clear message to the Boad that they had no confidence in the bunch of amateurs who had been running the club for several years. I believe the refund issue was one of the factors that finally made The Smiths sit up and small the coffee. Ditto the meeting at St. Andrews Hall. Sure the Board will deny until their last breath that the decisions had anything whatsoever to do with ''the natives''. Events have proved that ''the natives'' have been proved correct I believe. It''s those people who blindly followed The Smiths in all their decision making who should be feeling ''a little foolish now''. If they had held sway there would have been no McNally, no new manager and (quite possibly) no promotion!!   [/quote] I''m afraid this argument doesn''t hold water , as Purple Canary pointed out: "Inconveniently for this argument, the boardroom changes were set in motion by the sacking of Munby and Doncaster - and that happened on May 12th. Foulger didn''t even make his offer on the rebate until late May, and the deadline for fans to make up their minds was in late June, by which time McNally had already been chief executive for some weeks and Smith and Jones were in the process of persuading Bowkett to become chairman. The announcement that he had agreed came just a few days later, on July 2. So the decision by many fans to claim the rebate was not in the slightest way instrumental in prompting the boardroom changes." [/quote] The boy McNally was apointed on 12th June I believe so hardly ''some weeks'' before ''late June'' IMO. That said, and to avoid splitting hairs on the subject, what I said was the refund issue was ...''one of the factors''. Lets face it the refund saga had been dragging in for ages long before McNally arrived at FCR.   Until we really saw McNally in action none of us knew how cosy (or not) he would be with The Smiths so could not make a judgement. Oh, and by the way, the ''legend'' was still our manager I believe during the whole late spring saga of the refund. Like it or not,  the fans stood up and made their feelings known (at long last!). For once, The Smiths listened. The rest, Sir, is as they say now ''history''!       

[quote user="Norwich MP"]I completely agree, quite why people think that taking money out of the club in order to remove Delia et al from the board was the best way forward I don''t know. Hopefully those people are feeling a little foolish now...[/quote] I did''nt feel foolish then and I most certainly don''t now. Those of us who claimed the refund offer did so for a variety of reasons. Personally, I feel the majority (over 60% from memory) who took the refund sent a very clear message to the Boad that they had no confidence in the bunch of amateurs who had been running the club for several years. I believe the refund issue was one of the factors that finally made The Smiths sit up and small the coffee. Ditto the meeting at St. Andrews Hall. Sure the Board will deny until their last breath that the decisions had anything whatsoever to do with ''the natives''. Events have proved that ''the natives'' have been proved correct I believe. It''s those people who blindly followed The Smiths in all their decision making who should be feeling ''a little foolish now''. If they had held sway there would have been no McNally, no new manager and (quite possibly) no promotion!!  

[quote user="ron obvious"][quote user="Mister Chops"]Seriously, I would thank Delia & MWJ for not taking their money out of the club and for continuing to make what they can available.  It''s not their fault that they''re not billionaires. I would also thank them for appointing proper businessmen to the board and a Chief Exec who knows how to run a football club.  [/quote] Absolutely. And think about it for a minute: if D & M REALLY didn''t want McNally & Lambert at the club, then how selfless does that make them? Admitting their football nous wasn''t up to it & bowing to those who were highly rated by others, giving in to somebody else''s better judgement - choosing someone you perhaps didn''t particularly like personally TO SPEND THEIR MONEY? Would YOU do that for the greater good?? [/quote] When it comes to running a football club, The Smiths are total fools. They knew after relegation that the game was up for them. They either took a back seat and gave effective control to McNally or risked certain revolt if they persisted with their country bumpkin approach. Anyone who appointed Bryan Hamilton and then Bryan Gunn - both TWICE please remember can hardly claim to be the sharpest tools in the box can they!!      

[quote user="can u sit down please"]Some people are absolutely clueless. When he got injured last year was the day we got relegated. In the games following, we created very little. We missed him like a sore thumb on Monday, nobody was able to make "that" ass that we have seen produce goals....Wycombe away and Huddersfield & millwall at home being the best 3 passes I have seen all season. Yes he is small, but you rarely see him get barged off of the ball. The guy is by a country mile, the best player in this division who HAS done it at the level above with Blackpool and will do it with us again. In Lambert I trust.[/quote] Best post I''ve read on the boy Wes for a long time - you are spot on! One day when I have some spare time I will trawl back through the posts and find the one at start of the season where a poster called him ..........''one of the worst players ever to pull on a Norwich shirt''. Don''t know who the poster was but I wonder if he''s, er, ''revised'' his opinion during the season!!!   

By and large referees do not follow the rules when it comes to handball decisions. For a foul to be committed it has to be deliberate  on the part of the offender''. If the ball is driven against / strikes the hand or arm with no intent to handle then it is not a foul or penalty. Trouble is that the media (and most fans) are blind to this basic principle and are obsessed to try and prove ''contact'' with the hand / arm. If there is then they believe that it is true ''handball'' and hence a foul. Ridiculous! Years ago on Match of the Day, Hansen cane out with a stupid sweeping comment and said....''if the ball hits the hand in the penalty area , it''s a penalty''. That''s total rubbish but no-one challenged him on it at all. I would feel just as uneasy had we got that first penalty last night with what was clearly not ''handball'', fact that it was awarded against us is irrelevant. I remember the last minute penalty Ipswich got in 2002 at Portaloo when we were winning 1-0 (Malky) and a cross was driven in and hit the pointed part of Drury''s elbow. The ball hit him from no more than a couple of yards away with no time to move his arm away. Result - penalty. Decision - completely wrong! 

[quote user="City1st"]You''ve rather contracted yourself there cherub. We pretty much are sorted out financially. City will never be a basket case like the paupers down the road. Yes, what is owed is high but the payments are being met. Players were able to be brought in since Lambert joined us without an apparent player sales or any dramatic drop in playing staff. Do you not consider that McNally and then subsequently Lambert would have joined has they not been certain that everything was pretty much in order ? That we could have been able to pay off Gunn, take on Lambert''s wages and meet the expect compensation costs. Again look down the road where our impoverished neighbours haven''t had enough spare cash to even pay their former manager, poor old ''mad jig'' magilton. As to giving him the backing what is meant by that ? Is there some hidden hoard of money that club has, but for some absurd reason won''t hand over ? Is it the believe that a large sum of money on it''s own will simply sort everything out. If that were the case then how do you equate the club''s debts having risen because of extra money being used on players - we were relegated, if you remember. There appears a very hard and professional determination about the club - demonstrated by both McNally and Lambert. I don''t doubt they have the capabilities and know how to get us into the Premiership. Twaddle that routinely gets posted on here about ''ambition'' is usually no more than the club not having the incompetence to match the fan''s stupidity. Every club is ambitious. Everyone wants to succeed but it has to be done on a sound finacial basis. The club looks to be in that position. Money spent on the academy is now paying dividends - contrast that with the paupers down the road. The ground is pretty much full up and the off field commercial side is generating serious income. It is for those secure ponts that both McNally and Lambert will be here for some while - that and what I have heard from a reliable source is excellent bonuses and incentives. All we need is to get behind the club as much as the team and to stop endlessly trying to make out that the directors are wicked folk out to do down us poor norfolk folk. Some need to take a long hard look at what has happened down the A140 where mismanagement at a chronic level has seen the club handed over to some glorified spiv for less than £4m who is now using the paupers as some kind of tax loss arrangement. Unable to meet even the most basic of their debt repayments they are stuck near the bottom with their top earners having to be lent out to balance the wage bill and an incompetent manager who has finally realised what is going on and recognises that for all his enthusiasm there is little or no interest from the owner other than to use the club for his own ends. ps cherub, I''m not having a pop at YOU personally when I said about people attacking the club[/quote] I thought this thread was all about possibility of PL leaving City? What that might have to do with ITFC is a mystery to me. I have no admiration for them or the Marcus Evans geezer but I presume you have some detail to back up such an accusation as ''tax evasion'' (which is what you seem to imply). Please share your inner secrets with us City 1st?.  Also, last time I checked the boy Keano was still in charge and talking about next season?